Ok guys. This is how it happens. Every wed night we have a little competition. We shoot bowling pins. The key to it is you have to get the compleatly off the table. They can't just fall over. I usually use the 230gn semi wadcutters. Loaded a tenth over. It works pretty good. But if you have 20 to 30 guys shooting them they get heavy. I stumbled across some 250gn lead round nose bullets. And I know there for the long colt but I have heard of a lot of people shooting them out of the 1911. They are still .451. My dilema is I can't find any data on them at all. I tried hodgens data site. And all 4 of my manuals. I have hs-6, tite group, and ram shot zip. Powders. Any info would be awesome. Thanks in advance.