Pint-sized GameChanger fill

[davere]

I contacted Armageddon about this, and got probably about as clear a response as one could guess - the Pint-sized GC is filled with "a 'fancy' sand blend". So, I get it, it's a proprietary situation, etc. No worries, there.

Has anyone opened their Pint sized GC, yet? I don't have an appropriate sewing machine to close it back up, or I'd do it. I'm interested in trying to match that fill in my full sized wax canvas Game Changer (obviously, knowing that it'll weigh a LOT). The fill in the pint sized bag is pretty incredible with it's ability to lock in. It might not work in a bigger bag, but I'm willing to play with it, if I can identify the right thing.

I've thought about trying heavy bag sand (https://www.sinclairintl.com/shooti...essories/heavy-bag-sand-15-lbs-prod34337.aspx) as one option.

 

[Eustice]

Yes. It’s full of poly beads. You can buy a 2 pound bag at a craft store for about $8. The only difference is the ones from the craft store are a bit smaller. This may make a difference to you in what you’re going for but it also probably depends on which brands of poly beads you buy. You can find them in the section with the quilt batting and pillow stuffing.

I opened mine up on the seam and added pieces of Velcro. I can Ruck with the game changer and a small plastic “poop” shovel and fill it at each stage. Saves about 4 pounds of weight.

 

[Olen_4504]

^^^^ is that the light fill or the heavy fill pint size GC? looks like light fill. my rail changer has the light fill and it feels like those poly beads


i think OP is wondering about the heavy fill.

 

[Eustice]

Mine is the light fill. Which is plenty stable for my uses. In the last match I was at I also used a proprietary blend of whatever sand/soil/clay was present and dry.

The waxed canvas doesn’t require a sewing machine to close back up. A simple needle and a heavy upholstery or carpet thread can be used easily without a thimble.

 

[Eustice]

If OP wants a really heavy sand then he could use what the F-Class guys use which i think is slag sand. Anything really heavy and dense would only help lock it in. Great for shooting. Terrible for carrying.

 

[davere]

Yeah, sorry - I forgot there are two versions of the bag. I have the heavy fill version. The poly beads in the light fill version are exactly what's in my Waxed Canvas Game Changer.

Eustice, thanks for the pics, and for the info. Actually, pulling up an image of slag blasting sand, it looks very similar to what Sinclair sells as heavy bag sand (linked in my first post). At the moment, I don't need to ruck the bag, so making it heavy isn't the worst thing in the world.

 

[generalzip]

I have a waxed canvas one filled with the heavy sand. Honestly it just feels like beach sand lol but I haven't opened it up

 

[Fred @ Bison Tactical]

I contacted Armageddon about this, and got probably about as clear a response as one could guess - the Pint-sized GC is filled with "a 'fancy' sand blend". So, I get it, it's a proprietary situation, etc. No worries, there.

Has anyone opened their Pint sized GC, yet? I don't have an appropriate sewing machine to close it back up, or I'd do it. I'm interested in trying to match that fill in my full sized wax canvas Game Changer (obviously, knowing that it'll weigh a LOT). The fill in the pint sized bag is pretty incredible with it's ability to lock in. It might not work in a bigger bag, but I'm willing to play with it, if I can identify the right thing.

I've thought about trying heavy bag sand (https://www.sinclairintl.com/shooti...essories/heavy-bag-sand-15-lbs-prod34337.aspx) as one option.

-- Did you ask Tom and the guys at Armageddon gear - they would likely fill your standard Game Changer with the heave sand fill if you asked them? I don't know why they wouldn't they do a lot of custom type things...

 

[davere]

-- Did you ask Tom and the guys at Armageddon gear - they would likely fill your standard Game Changer with the heave sand fill if you asked them? I don't know why they wouldn't they do a lot of custom type things...

No, I didn't actually ask specifically if I could send it back and have them refill it. I did mention that I wanted to try filling my big bag with the same fill. The request was just handled by their customer service folks. Not a big deal, either way - I'm happy to give some things a go on my own, too!

 

[Kane0519]

And here I thought they were filling them with rocking horse poo to make them work so well!

 

[Eustice]

And here I thought they were filling them with rocking horse poo to make them work so well!

Rocking horse poo was in the original version before Armageddon Gear went in with Reasor Precision. That’s what makes that version so desireable.

I’ve heard that Clifton Reasor has a whole pasture full of rocking horses that he harvested it from then Tom Fuller started cross breeding the rocking horses with unicorns. I don’t know if it’s true. That’s just what I’ve heard.

 

[Eustice]

No, I didn't actually ask specifically if I could send it back and have them refill it. I did mention that I wanted to try filling my big bag with the same fill. The request was just handled by their customer service folks. Not a big deal, either way - I'm happy to give some things a go on my own, too!

You could take it to a shoe repair shop and they can probably add a zipper. Then fill it and try it. If you like it then good, if it isn’t what you hoped then try something else. At worst you will still have the original filling for it.

 

[davere]

You could take it to a shoe repair shop and they can probably add a zipper. Then fill it and try it. If you like it then good, if it isn’t what you hoped then try something else. At worst you will still have the original filling for it.

Not necessary on the full size GC bag - it has a zipper already!

I was hoping to get some insight on what's in my heavy fill pint sized bag without having to open and re-sew that one. The full size GC is no issue.

 

[Fred @ Bison Tactical]

Not necessary on the full size GC bag - it has a zipper already!

I was hoping to get some insight on what's in my heavy fill pint sized bag without having to open and re-sew that one. The full size GC is no issue.

I suspect its sand of some type due to the fine texture and mass. The heavy fill small ones are the same weight as the full size bags...

 

[davere]

I suspect its sand of some type due to the fine texture and mass. The heavy fill small ones are the same weight as the full size bags...

Yeah, they said it was a "fancy sand mix", and it's definitely fine textured, so that totally makes sense. I'm probably going to try to find some slag blasting media and see if it's actually the same as Sinclair's heavy bag sand - and if it's close enough, I'll give the full size bag a go with it, and see how it shakes out.

 

[Subwrx300]

I contacted Armageddon about this, and got probably about as clear a response as one could guess - the Pint-sized GC is filled with "a 'fancy' sand blend". So, I get it, it's a proprietary situation, etc. No worries, there.

Has anyone opened their Pint sized GC, yet? I don't have an appropriate sewing machine to close it back up, or I'd do it. I'm interested in trying to match that fill in my full sized wax canvas Game Changer (obviously, knowing that it'll weigh a LOT). The fill in the pint sized bag is pretty incredible with it's ability to lock in. It might not work in a bigger bag, but I'm willing to play with it, if I can identify the right thing.

I've thought about trying heavy bag sand (https://www.sinclairintl.com/shooti...essories/heavy-bag-sand-15-lbs-prod34337.aspx) as one option.

I should have taken pictures of the material/sand, but I had mine break a small seam (which they promptly sent me a new to replace it, BTW =AWESOME CUSTOMER SERVICE!!)

I have the heavy Pint Sized and it is definitely NOT "normal" sand or beach sand. In mine the sand was almost like flat flakes of sand. Very weird texture but it locks amazingly well.

It was a combination of very fine powdery sand and flakes of sand for lack of a better description.

 

[davere]

It was a combination of very fine powdery sand and flakes of sand for lack of a better description.

Interesting... Thanks for the info!

Ok, so not slag sand or heavy bag sand, then. That has a different look to it. Maybe I'll take @Fred @ Bison Tactical 's suggestion and see if they'll let me send my full size bag in to get filled with the same stuff.

 

[Subwrx300]

Interesting... Thanks for the info!

Ok, so not slag sand or heavy bag sand, then. That has a different look to it. Maybe I'll take @Fred @ Bison Tactical 's suggestion and see if they'll let me send my full size bag in to get filled with the same stuff.

Definitely not slag sand. Was yellow/whiteish in color but flaky like flattened cornmeal (but very small.)

 

[Subwrx300]

Interesting... Thanks for the info!

Ok, so not slag sand or heavy bag sand, then. That has a different look to it. Maybe I'll take @Fred @ Bison Tactical 's suggestion and see if they'll let me send my full size bag in to get filled with the same stuff.

I was able to get photos of a few particles from a tiny tiny hole. It's hard to see in photos but there are several small flatter jagged pieces along with slightly larger pieces. It's about size of table salt for largest paeticles and get smaller from there.

Table salt on right and sand fill on left:

 

[davere]

I bet we can figure it out from that - give me a bit to research on it (unless someone else already knows). Looks like it could blasting media of some sort, maybe, or something like that. Awesome, thanks!

 

[Len5E1]

Did you try tasting it? Looks like some sort of rock / sea salt lol. In fact that's not a bad idea to try haha

 

[davere]

I heard back from Armageddon today - they can re-fill the full size GC with the heavy fill (don't know cost), but they warned it would likely weigh in the 18# neighborhood.

 

[Subwrx300]

I heard back from Armageddon today - they can re-fill the full size GC with the heavy fill (don't know cost), but they warned it would likely weigh in the 18# neighborhood.

WOW! That would DEFINITELY qualify as a game changing: when your rifle weighs less than your rear bag, game changed!

 

[Len5E1]

Hey now - I'm pretty sure my ar10 clocks in at about 18.5 pounds with optic. That's with a medium profile 20" barrel even...Coulda went 26" heavy profile if I wanted to roll around a cannon.

 

[davere]

Try as I might, even with a 26" tube, my rifle weighs less than 16#, so... yeah, that'd be quite a bag!!

 

[dntworry]

If I was trying to find the best rear bag for prone and bench bipod shooting would you guys recommend the Pint-sized GC or something else?

 

[Subwrx300]

If I was trying to find the best rear bag for prone and bench bipod shooting would you guys recommend the Pint-sized GC or something else?

The Pint Sized GC is super versatile (main benefit) and works really well as a rear bag. But that said, if you aren't shooting PRS style competition (or don't plan on it), other options could be a better choice.

For pure benchrest accuracy style shooting, the Protektor slstyle bags are the way to go. For prone, they work well also but they aren't a "versatile" bag. They can be difficult to maneuver quickly and are designed for pure precision.

A flat, rectangular bag (Tab Gear, Cole Tac, Wiebad, or similar) would be versatile for uneven terrain and bench shooting.

The Pint size GC heavy fill is a great compromise between the two styles and could serve well if you don't know where you'll ultimately end up on the range (prone, bench, barricade, Rocky terrain etc.)

 

[davere]

This ?

I use my pint sized bag as a rear bag all the time, and it's super solid.

 

[davere]

This shit works REALLY well... if you don't mind carrying around a 10lb gamechanger bag. Definately heavy... but I only carry one bag so it is worth it for me.
Its has been a gamechanger for my gamechanger.

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Have you handled a PS GC w/ the heavy fill? Does it lock in that well, or...???

 

[BlastersAreCool]

I bought a pint sized GC assuming it was going to be the typical poly fill, since the online store I purchased mine from didn't specify. When mine arrived I was immediately unhappy w/ the weight. It weighed as much as my OG GC I felt! I immediately cut mine open and yeah.... as Subwrx300 has shared it was just play or beach sand. nothing more, nothing less. I used the old compressed poly fill from an old GC and filled the pint size up to my liking (around 70% full) and now I like it.

 

[Changed]

You can buy poly sand at the hardware store. It’s designed to interlock.