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Sidearms & Scatterguns Pistol shooters, what's next?

I was just wondering what all the pistol shooters on the Hide were looking to add to their collection this coming year.

I carry a full size 1911 in 45ACP daily, and have decided after trying several different plastic fantastics and ending up getting rid of them all, that I am sticking with the 1911 platform.

I've gone back and forth on a single or double stack 9mm, and I think I've finally settled on my next acquisition. A double stack Rock Island. I don't want to spend the coin on a STI or some other high dollar 2011 and decide I don't like it, so this fits the bill nicely.

I'd like to even get it milled for a red dot and jump into that pond.

So what are the rest of you looking at for the coming year?
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I want to lose my gut so I can stow my Canik 9MM double stack without shooting my pecker off. Got it a few years ago I believe right when Century Arms started importing them. It's been an absolute gem and I always have it in the truck with me. Don't leave home without it. Use a Springfield Arms 911 in .380 ACP for my pocket pistol.
 
As mentioned earlier, the new Springfield SA35 ( Highpower ) pistol would be nice. However, I came across this video about the Longthorne Defiance. I've never heard of that company before but if it's British made, then it's probably going to be expensive.

This pistol looks nice but I don't like the idea of a magazine safety. Before I had to sell mine, my Highpower's magazine safety was removed.

 
Lots of variety here. Thanks for all the replies. It's interesting to see how different everyone's preferences are.
 
To finally getting around to tweaking out my CZ 97BD.
Full list of Cajun gun works mods and a few things they don't do :)
It's a big hoss and way to large to CC, but I'm a big guy and never say never.
Also, I have the itch for another big caliber wheel gun for hunting and the occasional zombie.
Have yet to decide on caliber or brand, but .44mag or bigger is the plan....already have 2 Casull 454s so that's not an option at this point....
Maybe 475 Linebaugh ?
 
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Remembered I’d also love to have my Kahr K9 refinished. She’s got a lot of wear, and I waited too long to send it to Robar.
Anyone have a lead on who’s doing NP3/NP3+ now that Robar shut their doors?
 
Remembered I’d also love to have my Kahr K9 refinished. She’s got a lot of wear, and I waited too long to send it to Robar.
Anyone have a lead on who’s doing NP3/NP3+ now that Robar shut their doors?
Wright Armory was handling consumer, but I think that went away a couple months ago. Unless it is already NP3'd, there are probably better options at this point in time.
 
Wright Armory was handling consumer, but I think that went away a couple months ago. Unless it is already NP3'd, there are probably better options at this point in time.
Currently factory matte stainless finish, I assume. Purchased used, so I can’t guarantee that but I’m pretty sure.
Care to elaborate on what’s a better option than NP3/NP3+?
100% not interested in Cerakote.
 
Currently factory matte stainless finish, I assume. Purchased used, so I can’t guarantee that but I’m pretty sure.
Care to elaborate on what’s a better option than NP3/NP3+?
100% not interested in Cerakote.

Hard chrome electroplating

DLC or any other number of physical vapor deposition coatings
 
Currently factory matte stainless finish, I assume. Purchased used, so I can’t guarantee that but I’m pretty sure.
Care to elaborate on what’s a better option than NP3/NP3+?
100% not interested in Cerakote.

Hard chrome electroplating

DLC or any other number of physical vapor deposition coatings
What he said. For a "silver" finish, hard chrome. For black, DLC. I don't know who does good hard chrome these days, but Dave and Mark at Evolution Armory do a great job as a DLC vendor as far as prep work goes, as do the guys at Deep River Customs, though they are crankier to deal with.
 
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I carry a Smith & Wesson 1911 45acp every day also, but decided to try a 1911 in 9mm. Got a Colt Gold Cup in 9mm & it was the most accurate handgun I have ever shot. Fun gun to shoot, what ever I pointed it at, it hit. Great gun, 1911 in 9mm, but I still carry the 45acp daily.
 
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I used to carry a 1911 in .45, but it was a steel frame and got to be just too heavy to carry comfortably all day. So I switched to a plastic 9mm that I still carry, along with a handful of other plastic 9's. Now I'm getting closer to retiring and need to thin down the herd a little, so I'm dumping most of the 9's including the carry gun and switching back to a .45. After much looking I finally found a DW Guardian that's on it's way to me now, that will take over the carry role. The other one I'm still looking for is a DW Specialist 5". That will be both a range toy and with a WML on it, my bedside pistol (besides the 870 that always rests by the headboard). Who knows, I may even have a threaded barrel fitted to it. Then I'm going to sell off 4 of the 5 9mms that I have now.
 
To finally getting around to tweaking out my CZ 97BD.
Full list of Cajun gun works mods and a few things they don't do :)
It's a big hoss and way to large to CC, but I'm a big guy and never say never.
Also, I have the itch for another big caliber wheel gun for hunting and the occasional zombie.
Have yet to decide on caliber or brand, but .44mag or bigger is the plan....already have 2 Casull 454s so that's not an option at this point....
Maybe 475 Linebaugh ?

I just got rid of my main Glocks to switch over to the CZ life.

Just bought a fully cajunized P01 Omega tactical milled for RMR footprint. Very nice. DA comes in right around 7lbs and SA just over 3lbs.
 
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Your impression of USPSA is outdated. Between Production, Carry Optics, and Single Stack you can use the same guns and equipment that you use in IDPA SSP, ESP, Carry Optics, or CDP and still be competitive if your skills are up to it.

My experience competing in both is that USPSA is a much more technical challenge and IDPA is nowhere near close to being tactical at least according to my shooting buddy who's done hundreds of entries as part of the state patrol swat team.
But what about the cool bass fishing vests you get to wear in IDPA?!
 
Does anyone else feel like this is some sort of stealth ad post? First thing you see is a massive ROCK ARMORY graphic that's bigger than any of the ads to the left and right.

I built a 320 from scratch. Got a stripped FCU from Glock Store. Then picked up parts from Sig (compact slide), Grey Guns (trigger), SS Parts (FCU parts), Armory Craft (take down "pedal"), Springer Precision (EDC well and extended mag release), DPM (guide rod), and Parker Mountain Machine (barrel and comp). Put all of that on a full-size TXG grip module with Talon grips. Shoots soft as a kitten. No joke, every time I take this to the range it's:

 
Are there any particular holster retention requirements for shooting matches? Magazines are something a person can always use more of, but I'd really like to be able to have one gun belt set up the right way, instead of two that are sort of half assed because of a lack of budget.

Secondarily, I assume finding matches is as easy as finding the USPSA website, and hunting around there? Or is there a different place I should be looking to get signed up for matches?
Check out Practiscore for local matches. Also for USPSA, you don't need much in the way of retention. I use a Safariland ALS for Tactical Games, but no retention kydex from ANR for USPSA. USPSA is a bit too focused on speed - you see some crazy space stuff out there - so what you do is up to you. I don't even go to compete, just to practice outside of the confines lane-based range restrictions.
 
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Well, if I purchase one more pistol in the new year I won’t need to worry about all the *hit your talking about, my wife will kill me 😵‍💫🥴
HAPPY NEW YEAR !!!
 
USPSA is a bit too focused on speed - you see some crazy space stuff out there - so what you do is up to you.
The beauty of hit factor scoring is that it puts decision making responsibility on the shooter. You get to decide how much risk (speed) you're willing to take before it affects points and penalties (accuracy) based on your own assessment of your skills. Which BTW pushes people to improve because hit factor can always go up.

IDPA's stupid time plus scoring does the opposite. It slows everyone down to "get their hits". That all works well until someone who is high B or higher in USPSA shows up and cleans their clock with much higher speed than all the IDPtards but with fewer points down. BTDT.

Those who claim (not necessarily you) that USPSA is all about hosing evidently don't know that USPSA penalizes misses and hits on non-threats much more severely than IDPA.

I don't even go to compete, just to practice outside of the confines lane-based range restrictions.
Another of the advantages of the USPSA freestyle philosophy is that you're free to solve the problem however you see fit within the constraints of the fault lines and safety. You can work from concealment or not. You can tactically pie corners and work hallways or you can Leroy Jenkins it. You can shoot a spacegun from a race holster or your EDC from AIWB (try AIWB in IDPA...LOL). You can run in a division that limits you to ten rounds in each magazine or you can run in a division that lets you cram your mags full as long as they meet a certain length limit.

IDPA says "it's my way or the highway"
 
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Certainly not to carry, but I just became the proud owner of an 8” Colt Anaconda. If I must give a purpose for it, publicly I’ll say hog hunting as I am curious what a .44 mag will do to a pig, but honestly, I just think it’s a great looking gun. Lol.
 

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Two years ago my open gun broke so I’ve been shooting USPSA single stack and carry optics. I’m getting an open gun this week and going to go back to doing some hosing.

Also good USPSA shooters dominate IDPA, GSSF, steel, bullseye and almost all shooting disciplines.
 
But what about the cool bass fishing vests you get to wear in IDPA?!
No vest for me. I'm in my usual street garb for concealment at the IDPA matches. Jacket for the cool weather, an unbuttoned overshirt for the warm weather. I'm dressed as the gray man in society. No "look at me" red flags about my attire on the street or in a match.

As far as USPSA vs IDPA matches, a match is only as good as the imagination of those that design the stages. I shoot at 3 different IDPA clubs and a couple of USPSA clubs. Luckily, the IDPA match directors around here try their best to design stages with freedom in mind for the shooter to decide how they want to run the stage. The IDPA clubs in my area generally use more moving/disappearing targets in matches than our area's USPSA clubs do.
 
I've been toying around with the idea of a micro 9, looked at cheap to mid-priced and then said screw it, nothing will satisfy me without upgrades. Started looking hard at an HK P30sk, then decided why compact? And moved on to full size, and have even progressed to now I want/will have the P30 long slide (fan of John Wick) of all my handguns, HKs have dominated.
 
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The beauty of hit factor scoring is that it puts decision making responsibility on the shooter. You get to decide how much risk (speed) you're willing to take before it affects points and penalties (accuracy) based on your own assessment of your skills. Which BTW pushes people to improve because hit factor can always go up.

IDPA's stupid time plus scoring does the opposite. It slows everyone down to "get their hits". That all works well until someone who is high B or higher in USPSA shows up and cleans their clock with much higher speed than all the IDPtards but with fewer points down. BTDT.

Those who claim (not necessarily you) that USPSA is all about hosing evidently don't know that USPSA penalizes misses and hits on non-threats much more severely than IDPA.


Another of the advantages of the USPSA freestyle philosophy is that you're free to solve the problem however you see fit within the constraints of the fault lines and safety. You can work from concealment or not. You can tactically pie corners and work hallways or you can Leroy Jenkins it. You can shoot a spacegun from a race holster or your EDC from AIWB (try AIWB in IDPA...LOL). You can run in a division that limits you to ten rounds in each magazine or you can run in a division that lets you cram your mags full as long as they meet a certain length limit.

IDPA says "it's my way or the highway"

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The beauty of hit factor scoring is that it puts decision making responsibility on the shooter. You get to decide how much risk (speed) you're willing to take before it affects points and penalties (accuracy) based on your own assessment of your skills. Which BTW pushes people to improve because hit factor can always go up.

IDPA's stupid time plus scoring does the opposite. It slows everyone down to "get their hits". That all works well until someone who is high B or higher in USPSA shows up and cleans their clock with much higher speed than all the IDPtards but with fewer points down. BTDT.

Those who claim (not necessarily you) that USPSA is all about hosing evidently don't know that USPSA penalizes misses and hits on non-threats much more severely than IDPA.


Another of the advantages of the USPSA freestyle philosophy is that you're free to solve the problem however you see fit within the constraints of the fault lines and safety. You can work from concealment or not. You can tactically pie corners and work hallways or you can Leroy Jenkins it. You can shoot a spacegun from a race holster or your EDC from AIWB (try AIWB in IDPA...LOL). You can run in a division that limits you to ten rounds in each magazine or you can run in a division that lets you cram your mags full as long as they meet a certain length limit.

IDPA says "it's my way or the highway"
Went to a match recently. I see your point on problem solving but, after 2 days of pistol training with Baer Solutions, I can't alter my perspective that a miss or a "no shoot" is person you've maimed or killed. On the second day of training, Drew made us write the name of someone we loved on the hole of the no shoot. Then I watch the "masters" at a USPSA match just spraying bullets to play percentages. I like competing but I also carry every day. I don't like to play fast and loose with my pistol or my mentality. There are parts for IDPA that I think would be better for me, but I have issues with their constructs as well. Do you still lose points for dropping a magazine on the ground? Like I care that I dropped a mag in the rare even that someone starts shooting up a grocery store? Maybe I'm misinformed, I'll have to go back and re-read their rules. Regardless, I'm sure as shit not wearing one of those vests. Unless I'm on a bass boat. And I'm drunk.
 
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This year I would really like to make A in limited and if I have time I would like to do the same in production. After that I'm debating on going back to SS or getting the cheapest pistol in the world besides highpoint, painting it pink and shooting it in carry optics because CO is fucking gay.

None of this is probably going to happen though because I never have time for anything
 
Went to a match recently. I see your point on problem solving but, after 2 days of pistol training with Baer Solutions, I can't alter my perspective that a miss or a "no shoot" is person you've maimed or killed. On the second day of training, Drew made us write the name of someone we loved on the hole of the no shoot. Then I watch the "masters" at a USPSA match just spraying bullets to play percentages. I like competing but I also carry every day. I don't like to play fast and loose with my pistol or my mentality. There are parts for IDPA that I think would be better for me, but I have issues with their constructs as well. Do you still lose points for dropping a magazine on the ground? Like I care that I dropped a mag in the rare even that someone starts shooting up a grocery store? Maybe I'm misinformed, I'll have to go back and re-read their rules. Regardless, I'm sure as shit not wearing one of those vests. Unless I'm on a bass boat. And I'm drunk.

I've carried a gun on me since 2007. I know full well the consequences of injuring or killing someone that I shouldn't.

I also know full well the difference between a game and real life. Saying that playing gun games ingrains bad habits is not supported by any evidence I've ever seen.

But it's a free country so to each his own.
 
I've carried a gun on me since 2007. I know full well the consequences of injuring or killing someone that I shouldn't.

I also know full well the difference between a game and real life. Saying that playing gun games ingrains bad habits is not supported by any evidence I've ever seen.

But it's a free country so to each his own.

Totally reckless mindset. When I run autocross events, I take the task seriously and don't drive any faster than I normally would in a school parking lot. I treat each and every cone like it could be a small child. I feel that by learning to stay well within my limits, I become a safer driver.

Seems like a bit silly mindset now that I write it out this way :ROFLMAO:
 
Totally reckless mindset. When I run autocross events, I take the task seriously and don't drive any faster than I normally would in a school parking lot. I treat each and every cone like it could be a small child. I feel that by learning to stay well within my limits, I become a safer driver.

Seems like a bit silly mindset now that I write it out this way :ROFLMAO:

See when I used to autocross, I couldn't tell real life driving from the game so I drove home like a complete asshole weaving all over traffic and lifting the inside rear tire (Golf GTi) around corners.....
 
Totally reckless mindset. When I run autocross events, I take the task seriously and don't drive any faster than I normally would in a school parking lot. I treat each and every cone like it could be a small child. I feel that by learning to stay well within my limits, I become a safer driver.

Seems like a bit silly mindset now that I write it out this way :ROFLMAO:
OK, now I KNOW you are a troll login account.
 
To finally getting around to tweaking out my CZ 97BD.
Full list of Cajun gun works mods and a few things they don't do :)
It's a big hoss and way to large to CC, but I'm a big guy and never say never.
Also, I have the itch for another big caliber wheel gun for hunting and the occasional zombie.
Have yet to decide on caliber or brand, but .44mag or bigger is the plan....already have 2 Casull 454s so that's not an option at this point....
Maybe 475 Linebaugh ?

475 Linebaugh runs a 440gr at 1325fps, which is the reduced recoil load of the 440gr 500 S&W load.

I say that to note, if you want a big and fun revolver, 500 S&W is an option and it's reduced loads tend to be even or better, especially taking into account bullet diameter, then the other handgun caliber loads.

And a 500 S&W with reduced loads is a kitty, heck, the 300gr type loads that run 1500 fps or so are plenty gentle, I run the 4". You then also have the option to move up to holding onto a hand grenade type loads.

Though it's not lost on me that that 440gr in a 475 has a better sectional density than in a 500. But you also have options up to the .400 sectional density 700gr hardcast in the 500, 500gr hardcast from underwood perhaps being a great "big enough but not too big" option.

I love mine, I know a lot of people rag on them as too much and therefore useless, but like noted, the reduced loads in these tend to be every bit as powerful as the full bore loads in other calibers, but they'll be far more tame to shoot, and you can get higher sectional density rounds if you need bone busting straight line penetration, for bear defense or the like, which is why I have it.

The tradeoff with the 500 of course being size and weight, but big bore revolvers are big, heavy gals.

Anyways, just thought I'd throw that out there. I think I'm going to send mine off to have a custom 1/12 twist barrel thrown on, I want better stability from the 500 to 600 grain territory, even my 460gr long flat nose hardcasts.
 
I can't say it any better than Rob Leatham, so I'm not going to try.



Here's the thing tactitards don't get........

Gaming is looking for every single advantage you can get to win.

Who the fuck doesn't want every single advantage they can get in a gunfight.......to WIN?
 
Then I watch the "masters" at a USPSA match just spraying bullets to play percentages.

Maybe you don't yet understand the subtleties of minor vs major power factor scoring. And that's OK that's an artifact of the game.

Three things that you need to take away from what you saw
  1. You need 90% or more of available points as fast as you possibly can to have a chance
  2. Lots of C's are fine when shooting major power factor. Not so when shooting minor power factor. You need at least 80% A's to make that 90% of available points when shooting minor
  3. NO ONE has a chance of doing well with misses and no shoots, no matter how fast they are
 
Post some videos showing the weird shit you're discussing that are simple to follow. I doubt we have any matches like that out in the boonies near me, but if we do I'll look into it if I don't need to read a novel of crazy rules and procedures.

I want to run my conceal carry setup, and I'm bringing my 500 S&W too, may as well clear some sinuses while I'm losing horribly.

How many points do you lose if you drop your gun and then spill your ammo everywhere while trying to pick it up? Any bonuses if you combine that with shitting your pants?
 
Maybe you don't yet understand the subtleties of minor vs major power factor scoring. And that's OK that's an artifact of the game.

Three things that you need to take away from what you saw
  1. You need 90% or more of available points as fast as you possibly can to have a chance
  2. Lots of C's are fine when shooting major power factor. Not so when shooting minor power factor. You need at least 80% A's to make that 90% of available points when shooting minor
  3. NO ONE has a chance of doing well with misses and no shoots, no matter how fast they are
A seasoned USPSA shooter once advised me to look at major vs minor power factor scoring as if your shot a match in which all your hits for the day were Alpha/Charlies. Shooting major, you would have 90% of available target points. Shooting minor, you would have 80% of available target points. The major power factor shooter could Charlie/Charlie all the match targets and still have 80% of available points. The minor power factor guy with a day of Charlie/Charlie hits would only have 60% of available points.
 
A seasoned USPSA shooter once advised me to look at major vs minor power factor scoring as if your shot a match in which all your hits for the day were Alpha/Charlies. Shooting major, you would have 90% of available target points. Shooting minor, you would have 80% of available target points. The major power factor shooter could Charlie/Charlie all the match targets and still have 80% of available points. The minor power factor guy with a day of Charlie/Charlie hits would only have 60% of available points.

That is 100% spot on
 
Post some videos showing the weird shit you're discussing that are simple to follow. I doubt we have any matches like that out in the boonies near me, but if we do I'll look into it if I don't need to read a novel of crazy rules and procedures.
You don't need to ready a book. Just get there early, tell the people taking your money that you're new, and you'll be looked after.

Here's what a seriously good shooter looks like (definitely not be BTW)




I want to run my conceal carry setup, and I'm bringing my 500 S&W too, may as well clear some sinuses while I'm losing horribly.

Here's the same guy shooting a local match with his carry gear. These matches run under USPSA (United States Practical Shooting Association) rules. There's another group called International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) but strangely enough they don't let people shoot from appendix IWB nor do they let people shoot their edc pistol with a flashlight on it. Go figure.



Here's someone shooting a USPSA match with an S&W 500 and a Desert Eagle 50AE. Yes we allow fuckery like that



How many points do you lose if you drop your gun and then spill your ammo everywhere while trying to pick it up? Any bonuses if you combine that with shitting your pants?
You can spill you ammo all over the place. People will just make fun of you as you go around scrounging for it. Drop your gun tho, and your match is over.
 
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You don't need to ready a book. Just get there early, tell the people taking your money that you're new, and you'll be looked after.

Here's what a seriously good shooter looks like (definitely not be BTW)


Here's the same guy shooting a local match with his carry gear. These matches run under USPSA (United States Practical Shooting Association) rules. There's another group called International Defensive Pistol Association (IDPA) but strangely enough they don't let people shoot from appendix IWB nor do they let people shoot their edc pistol with a flashlight on it. Go figure.

That CO guy is very smooth, especially shooting on the move!

Here's an IDPA stage design of mine back from 2016 when evil clowns were the rage on the street. I designed it with shooter's option of going right or left first after retreating in the hallway from the start position. All cardboard threat targets except for the dropout and clamshell activators were covered with clown masks and T-shirts so shooters couldn't see the scoring zones. Everyone pretty much has to call their shots on those. A hidden drop-out target appears in the previously "cleared" hallway activated by a pepper popper behind the far threat on the left shooting position. Most shooters don't really give a second thought the possibility of more threat targets needing engagement in an area they have already "cleared". Any reload points had to be strategized accordingly depending on if you were shooting an 8+1 or 10+1 division so as to avoid running empty in the middle of the clamshell disappearing targets. I was shooting CDP .45 in this one.