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PMags for sale, $80 each

bm11

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Now that I have your attention,

I have been following the posts in this forum since I started my membership here. I estimate I have done somewhere around $100,000, maybe more, in buying and selling on here. Lately I have noticed a trend that if someone posts up an item at current market prices, a slew of people jump right on the thread , throwing all kinds of names, insults, and other assorted profanities towards the OP as if he were some sort of child slavery peddler.

For your consideration: I know that the situation we are in makes you angry. I am angry too. Mostly about the attack on my right to keep and bear arms that brought this about, but also the drastic supply drought it brought about. I have a new PS90 I would like to shoot, but not at $1.10 a round.

However, it is extremely flawed logic to attack those listing items for the current value of them. A lot of posts are throwing around the word "profit" like it is profane or insulting. This suggests to me an almost socialist point of view, which is flawed, because none of those suggesting it are stepping up to insure anyones losses when they buy an item and the market won't bear the the price the seller paid.

This is a website of what, 70,000 members? Chances are the seller doesn't know the buyer. The seller has no personal obligation to sell an item that anywhere else would bring $70 but they only paid $15 so they should sell it for that. The end result is, three possible outcomes if someone lists a PMag or other hot item:

1: They list it at market price, catch hell from the usual suspects, and the item sells anyhow.

2: They list it at pre December 2012 prices, it sells in 1 minute, and the buyer either keeps it at a steal, or lists it on gunbroker for a quick profit.

3: The seller decides that the item is worth more to him than what he paid but isn't willing to risk the ridicule here so he sells it on gunbroker for what its worth instead.

Moral of the story- 2.5 million PMags are on backorder. You should have bought them when you had the chance. I should have bought gold for $300 an ounce but I didn't. If I had, you can bet your ass I wouldnt be selling it for $300. No one is selling them at pre December prices, and if they are, someone faster than you already bought them.

As a final note- I would like to call out anyone who has been thread bashing and invite them to PLEASE list up all of their magazines, ammo, and AR's, for what they paid for them, to set the example for what you believe in. Because while I have seen a TON of bashing, I have seen very little "leading by example."
 
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I sold a pmag this month for $14 shipped. I don't comment on others threads. Me selling at normal price was my protest. We probably don't know each other on here. I have got some great deals on here and thought more of this place than just a swap meet. People on here have helped me out and I plan to do the same thing. There are always some firearm related things that I want but I already have what I feel I need. So I won't be paying more that $15 for pmags. List away I won't have anything to say.

Mike
 
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Was at cheaper than dirt yesterday on a lay over, Pmag's are 89.99 ....I shit you not....89.99. And they had hundreds.....
 
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I agree with you 100%. I can see helping out a friend with prices but no one is obligated to sell at a pre-December price. I have listed stuff on auctions at a $0 start and had them go up over $100 (for a pre-December mag that would have been $20). The current market dictated that price, not me. I did not force anyone to buy the items.
I have also sold things to people I know for the old prices. For now, it is still a free country.
 
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Mike,

Firstoff, thank you for contributing. I would like to clarify that I do NOT have ANYTHING for sale, this post was to hopefully bring a reality check to some here. I also have yet to buy anything at these prices. I stocked up before the shit hit the fan. However, I do have a new to me PS90 I would really like to shoot, I just havent brought myself to pay current prices. When and if I do, I will not hold it against the seller for not selling it to me for half of what someone else would gladly pay.

-Bob

EDIT- If I had something a friend legitimately NEEDED, I wouldn't profit selling to them. But how many people on here do you know by name and have their phone number?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Now that I have your attention,

I have been following the posts in this forum since I started my membership here. I estimate I have done somewhere around $100,000, maybe more, in buying and selling on here. Lately I have noticed a trend that if someone posts up an item at current market prices, a slew of people jump right on the thread , throwing all kinds of names, insults, and other assorted profanities towards the OP as if he were some sort of child slavery peddler.

For your consideration: I know that the situation we are in makes you angry. I am angry too. Mostly about the attack on my right to keep and bear arms that brought this about, but also the drastic supply drought it brought about. I have a new PS90 I would like to shoot, but not at $1.10 a round.

However, it is extremely flawed logic to attack those listing items for the current value of them. A lot of posts are throwing around the word "profit" like it is profane or insulting. This suggests to me an almost socialist point of view, which is flawed, because none of those suggesting it are stepping up to insure anyones losses when they buy an item and the market won't bear the the price the seller paid.

This is a website of what, 70,000 members? Chances are the seller doesn't know the buyer. The seller has no personal obligation to sell an item that anywhere else would bring $70 but they only paid $15 so they should sell it for that. The end result is, three possible outcomes if someone lists a PMag or other hot item:

1: They list it at market price, catch hell from the usual suspects, and the item sells anyhow.

2: They list it at pre December 2012 prices, it sells in 1 minute, and the buyer either keeps it at a steal, or lists it on gunbroker for a quick profit.

3: The seller decides that the item is worth more to him than what he paid but isn't willing to risk the ridicule here so he sells it on gunbroker for what its worth instead.

Moral of the story- 2.5 million PMags are on backorder. You should have bought them when you had the chance. I should have bought gold for $300 an ounce but I didn't. If I had, you can bet your ass I wouldnt be selling it for $300. No one is selling them at pre December prices, and if they are, someone faster than you already bought them.

As a final note- I would like to call out anyone who has been thread bashing and invite them to PLEASE list up all of their magazines, ammo, and AR's, for what they paid for them, to set the example for what you believe in. Because while I have seen a TON of bashing, I have seen very little "leading by example."</div></div>

If I was a gay, I would kiss you! I'm not, so you'll have to settle for a beer on my tab if you're ever in Dallas. Thanks for listening in economics 101!
 
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There is so much to say to this.......

The issue most people here have with this is the term you refer to as "current market price". We are not happy with the "current market price", nor do we like to see the shit posted here. No, we can't do anything about it, obviously. As long as people are selling for inflated prices and morons continue to fuel it by buying at those prices.

This site is "home" to alot people, in many ways, and the old saying "don't shit in your own yard" kinda rings true on this issue. If you have found yourself with a sudden "surplus" of items that you determine you no longer need, by all means sell it..........on Gunbroker. If you list it here, you know what your setting yourself up for so don't whine about it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: avidflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was at cheaper than dirt yesterday on a lay over, Pmag's are 89.99 ....I shit you not....89.99. And they had hundreds.....</div></div>

I tried to sell Pmags on here yesterday for $35 each and got BLASTED for it! Went to a buddy's gun shop and noticed that he's selling them for $89 each. He has sold hundreds of them, and now all of mine are on consignment with him because he can't get any more. I would like to officially thank the SH socialists for making me feel like an opportunistic scam artist. Will my massive profits be considered ordinary income by the IRS? Should I consider an offshore account?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Trevor300wsm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is so much to say to this.......

The issue most people here have with this is the term you refer to as "current market price". We are not happy with the "current market price", nor do we like to see the shit posted here. No, we can't do anything about it, obviously. As long as people are selling for inflated prices and morons continue to fuel it by buying at those prices.

This site is "home" to alot people, in many ways, and the old saying "don't shit in your own yard" kinda rings true on this issue. If you have found yourself with a sudden "surplus" of items that you determine you no longer need, by all means sell it..........on Gunbroker. If you list it here, you know what your setting yourself up for so don't whine about it. </div></div>

The issue I take with what you are saying Treavor, is that a lot of times recently I have seen items listed at reasonable prices by todays standard, and people still shit on them. PMAGs on GB are $50-100 plus shipping, there is one on here that just sold at $35 and the seller still took flak. I would much prefer to buy off a hide member than on gunbroker. If we followed your suggestion, would everyone truly be better off if no AR's or magazines were ever listed on here again? I think not.
 
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Thanks for the post. My for sale post was defaced with "GREED" as a response. I was attempting to pass along several mags that I didn't need after panic buying myself to make sure I had enough 20 round mags for a life time of shooting and enough to pass on to my son for his lifetime of shooting. I had won a gun broker auction and ended up needing to sell some from the lot I won. These mags were priced at the price I paid for them last week.

I didn't appreciate the responses I got and ended up pulling the ad down and making a sale to a local party for a loss. These prices are bullshit, as it's government interference in the free market that's making them go up, not a true market response. But you and I selling things at a loss is not going to fix the problem and we are clearly not part of the problem. Plus if I want to sell some mags to make money for another over prices item like a BCG, then I better be selling them at full market price so I can afford another full market price item.

The forum is great and I'd rather sell my items here than on Gun Broker, but everyone needs to keep their comments to themselves or PM the party if there is a rear issue with the post rather than wrecking the post like they did mine. Thanks for speaking up.
 
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Many many people are divided on this topic. The law of economics will prevail. In all hobby communities there are those who feel the need to bash people. I am relatively new to SH and really just started being an active member in early novemeber. What disgusts me is how quickly someone reacts to disown someone based on the price of their add. Telling them how they aren't a "brethren" anymore. Fact - I can't buy match ammo for what I bought it at before the panic. If I want to pay todays prices I will need to sell some goods at todays cost to offset that purchase. Some guys here are just trying to learn, shoot, and have a good time, myself included. Just yesterday I was accused of padding my post count to sell things before the panic ended. What I had done was revive an old thread that actually got updated and now provides our readers with even more valuable information and got me some much needed intel.

Others it seems are just trying to start trouble from their keyboards. The world is full of bully's and some choose to hide behind an avatar and throw meaningless insults across the web. I hope that from this the shooting community as whole can learn that prices go up and down and that we will all still be here when its over.

Another perspective to consider is think if gas prices were to double or triple overnight. The ripple effect to this sport (as everything that gets shipped from anywhere to anywhere at all points in the supply chain, and our shit is usually pretty heavy) would be detrimental to retail prices. Costs would rise. Would you expect me to ship things to you for the pre oil shortage price? I think not.
 
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bm11 is a good dude from my experiences in doing business with him in the past. He makes a valid point, but here is how I feel about it:

Please feel free to ask whatever you would like for your items. This great country not only entitles us to a free market it also allows us free speech. So don't be surprised for catching crap when you ask an inflated price. With that said, there are also rules to this forum. One of them being no thread crapping. These are lowlight's rules and his forum. Sometimes it can be frustrating to see a crazy asking price and hard not to make a comment, but rules are rules. If you don't like it, go start your own forum. Odds are people won't come over to join because they are happy with the hide. This forum is a great resource and lets try to keep it a nice clean place.

I'd like to think we'd take care of each other around here but in light of recent times this may not be the case with every member. I sugest you do what I do to people asking crazy prices: don't buy their items. As long as people keep paying crazy prices others will keep asking them.
 
Re: PMags for sale, $80 each

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BigCarrot</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: avidflyer</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Was at cheaper than dirt yesterday on a lay over, Pmag's are 89.99 ....I shit you not....89.99. And they had hundreds.....</div></div>

I tried to sell Pmags on here yesterday for $35 each and got BLASTED for it! Went to a buddy's gun shop and noticed that he's selling them for $89 each. He has sold hundreds of them, and now all of mine are on consignment with him because he can't get any more. I would like to officially thank the SH socialists for making me feel like an opportunistic scam artist. Will my massive profits be considered ordinary income by the IRS? Should I consider an offshore account? </div></div>

The difference between selling it at a gun shop and selling it here is that you "Consigned" it to your "Buddy's" gun shop. I bet he is taking a percentage for selling it for you! If you sell it here I bet you wouldn't feel compelled to give 30% to Frank for maintaining the site. If you put it on Gunbroker they charge you to list it and charge you again if it sells.

If you want to make a profit or sell shit at current "Market" prices then list it at a market, or become a vendor on this site.

You might notice that none of the vendors who pay to market their goods here ever get their prices bashed. That is because they contribute to the continuation of this site. Some of us (I can't be the only one) have even paid slightly more for items from a site vendor than we could have paid from other places simply because the vendors here are what keep this place funded and on line.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kentucky Jelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why post in this section if you are not selling any thing? </div></div>

To start drama even though LL already addressed this issue.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kentucky Jelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why post in this section if you are not selling any thing? </div></div>

Trying to get more views.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kentucky Jelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why post in this section if you are not selling any thing? </div></div>

To start drama even though LL already addressed the issue.</div></div>Start drama? I believe that is the point of every thread crapping reply I have read on here. My point was to hopefully have a good discussion and perhaps help some of those with anger management issues to understand the situation.
 
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The mods here are taking it seriously. They are <span style="font-style: italic"><span style="font-weight: bold">banning</span></span> people who are ad stomping.

If you really feel like you have to open your mouth up, do it on a PM because they are absolutely not messing around if you leave poop darts in somebody's WTS ad.

The rules are the rules. They are straightforward here and very easy to follow.

--Fargo007
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bm11</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Kentucky Jelly</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why post in this section if you are not selling any thing? </div></div>

To start drama even though LL already addressed the issue.</div></div>Start drama? I believe that is the point of every thread crapping reply I have read on here. My point was to hopefully have a good discussion and perhaps help some of those with anger management issues to understand the situation. </div></div>

You're beating a dead horse with a jackhammer. This thread is nothing but inflammatory and will do nothing but start a ridiculously heated argument for your own amusement. The first time someone comes out with some heat you're going to quote it as your "AH HA!" moment.

LowLight already laid down his policy on this issue. There is no discussion to be had. This is his forum and continuing to post threads in either direction bitching about this will only have one result: The removal of the PX from this site.


Oh... and before you start another thread in the future complaining about people breaking forum rules try not to break the rules yourself in the process. You originally posted this in the PX.


 
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BM11 you are a realist and if you were any closer I'd take you to a over priced steak dinner.

I completely agree with your comments. I find it amazing when someone post a Pmag at the going rate everyone gets their panties in a bunch, but when we see NFA items we just drool and wish we could buy them at current market prices.
A buddy of mine was a dealer and still has over 9 Mac11 that he bought at $430 many years ago. But when I bought one recently at $3500 I in no way complained or thought he was a douche. I consider ALL my firearms as investments and I expect them to increase in value. Some people can not come to this idea that if items are purchased correctly they will increase in value due to market value.


Lets turn this situation around and say they had no issue with semi's and the government flooded the market with AR's and ammo. Would everyone be OK with dropping the price of their items to reflect market value....I don't think so.
 
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Lots of people believe in the free market until it smacks them between the eyes, and then they suddenly believe in some redistribution of wealth. It is what it is.

If I had a new AR and no magazines to go with it, I would buy them for 89.99, and be glad that the price was that high, because otherwise I wouldn't be able to buy them at all. Since I dont need them that much I won't. When I am out of small pistol primers I will be very annoyed that all the inventory is sold out til September when I would have been willing to pay more for them now. Low prices cause shortages, something that is worse than inflation to me.

If you dont want to buy at these prices, it is because you dont really want it. Others who really do go ahead and pay. The inventory sorts itself out then to those who really need.

I haven't sold a thing since the panic began and don't plan on doing so. I value the item more than the cash I would get. What does that say about real prices? You may say "well that is you"...ok then. For all the price whiners, let me ask you this. At what price would you sell me ALL your magazines. I mean all of them. What price do you put on your last magazine? Answer that honestly, and then tell me again with a straight face that someone is an asshole for buying one at $80 because he doesn't have any or just a couple.

Here is a standing offer though for those who don't believe in the free market. If I were to put up an add in the WTB section to buy all pmags anyone is willing to sell for $14.95 for the next week, how many would respond? I think my money will remain safely in my wallet don't you?

Put your anger where is rightfully belongs - at our government for causing this mess. Let the free market allocate scarce resources where they are most needed. Use your power as a voter to choose wisely at the ballot box so that you dont have to pay more of your hard earned cash for what you want for no good reason. This is an artificially created inventory crises.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NorthernBorn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

You're beating a dead horse with a jackhammer. This thread is nothing but inflammatory and will do nothing but start a ridiculously heated argument for your own amusement. The first time someone comes out with some heat you're going to quote it as your "AH HA!" moment.

LowLight already laid down his policy on this issue. There is no discussion to be had. This is his forum and continuing to post threads in either direction bitching about this will only have one result: The removal of the PX from this site.


Oh... and before you start another thread in the future complaining about people breaking forum rules try not to break the rules yourself in the process. You originally posted this in the PX.


</div></div>I would say it is a fair statement that you don't know me. I wasn't starting tbis thread to incite and argument "for my own amusement." If there are rules against thread stomping, they haven't been heavily enforced as I found numerous posts from last night and this morning doing exactly that.

My point was to try to make tbis a better place. You seem to have taken the side of the anti gougers, as evidenced by your thread in the firearms section, so please enlighten me- how are we bettering this site by saying things like "take your shit to gunbroker, you price gouging douche!" The whole idea was to hopefully make some people understand the "why" behind the inflated prices. I have seen numerous threads where guys get run out of here for selling PMags for $35. Noble of the guys running these guys off, but how does it benefit the individual who NEEDS the mag, and is forced to go to gunbroker and pay $80+? It seems that the only good they are doing by running these "price gougers" off is feeling a little better about themselves. About as selfish as the gougers, yes?
 
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You're trying to bait me into debating this issue with you and completely ignoring the fact that this issue has already been addressed by the owner of the site. It's final and once again there is absolutely no reason to keep this argument going.

I'm not going to debate it. There isn't anything to debate.

If you see thread bashing just hit the notify button. If a moderator sees an issue he will take care of it.
 
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Netflix stock sold for just under $100 a few days ago, and now the market price is around $170. Anybody who bought some a few days ago want to help a guy out?

The firearms transactions at current market prices are arms-length transactions, with a buyer and seller agreeing the price is right, much like the stock market. It's unfortunate that changes in conditions are causing volatility like we see in stocks, but if a buyer and a seller agree on a price that's its value.
 
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http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthre...169#Post3793169

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If you feel someone is gouging or selling too high, ignore them and don't patronize their ad.

People are getting out of control with the attacks over prices people are asking.

If someone wants to engage in the fear mongering price structure, just put them on ignore, bumping the attacks and debating it is not helping. Let the ad die, let it fall off the page, and if that price gouger bumps it, even a minute before 24 hours we'll remove it. We'll enforce the bumping rule and take the ad down.

But ignore them, let them go somewhere else... too many are looking to take advantage and with everyone attacking it's turning into a mess... so leave the ads alone.

Supply & Demand based on a manufactured crisis is nor real supply and demand. Fear drove up the prices, not supply & demand. If you don't' have the ethical fortitude to understand the difference and you are looking to make a quick buck, my first suggestion is go someone else, we really don't want you posting your stuff on this site. If you can't see the difference, go somewhere else, we don't' want you on this site. If feel your ad was attacked because you priced your item based on the current fear mongering, go someone else, we have no sympathy for you. If you cross the line by even 1 minute, expect your ad will be removed. If you complain about it, expect you will be removed. I am not interested. There are plenty of for sale site who you can pay to engage in this type of practice, you are not taking advantage of the freedoms we offer here.

So, members, don't attack, put them on ignore.</div></div>