POF USA

[freezingduck]

How come there is so many treads on the POF compared to something like the REPR or LMT on Snipershide?
Is the POF rifles better rifles for SPR/SASS use?

The LWRC is usually the most dominant on other forums

 

[Redmanss]

Re: POF USA

Because this is a precision shooting forum. POF uses some of the best barrels available for all their models, not just a select few. This allows the accuracy to be superb and we like to hit what we aim at.

 

[ORD]

Re: POF USA

I don't know which "other forums" you are referring to when you say that the "LWRC is usually the most dominant," but I take issue with that generalization as I have not found that to be the case at all.

As for POF-USA...if you would read through some/all the POF threads on this forum, it would become abundantly clear WHY a good many number of people opt for the POF rifles. Sure, the rifles are excellent in every respect from the quality of components used to build them, to the attention to detail used in the builds, to the results that most shooters/owners are able to obtain with their POF rifles in terms of reliability and extremely good accuracy. BUT...that isn't the end of the equation. Take a look at POF behind the scenes. There are several people on this forum with close ties to POF, who work or have worked for POF and who offer a great knowledge base, experience and assistance to POF owners which further leads to the popularity of the platform. Secondly, POF has always (with some notable exceptions) provided excellent CS when issues to arise...in many instances going above and beyond the call of duty for a mfg in taking action to make their customers happy/satisfied. Finally, POF has a long history of supporting the shooting sports, sponsoring competitions, etc., etc. It is an all-around excellent company that makes excellent products...what's NOT to like?!?!

Now, I am not saying anything adverse to the LWRC or LMT offerings. They both have their strong points and are capable platforms in the right hands with the right equipment/ammo.

 

[KillShot]

Re: POF USA

The reason you probably read more about the LWRC wallet raper on "other forums" is because of a lot of he said/she said bullshit concerning the POF.

When POF got started, like any new company, they experienced growing pains. Since that time, they continue to improve the product line. The fact that there's an extended wait time to get one of their rifles should tell you that POF is doing something right because people are lining up to get their hands on one of their rifles.

I can't speak for the reliability or accuracy of the LMT or the LWRC but I will say that POF is known for sub-MOA accuracy straight from the factory.

Maybe I'm a little biased but when it comes to fit and finish, neither of the afore mentioned rifles come close to the appeal of a POF. No matter where I go, people can't resist drooling and wanting to handle my rifle.

My only complaint about POF is they only have a 3yr warranty on their rifles, unlike LWRC which has a LIFETIME warranty on their product line. I don't expect to have any problems but if I do, it would be nice to know that 5yrs down the road I would still be covered. Unfortunately, that isn't the case with POF.

 

[Conrad101st]

Re: POF USA

Well that certainly was gasoline on the old fire.

 

[freezingduck]

Re: POF USA

I have always been a fan of POF especially the 308.
In my opinion there is no other forum that gives more answers based upon personal experience and expertise than Snipershide.
Thank you once again for great answers.

 

[Sebben]

Re: POF USA

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Maybe I'm a little biased but when it comes to fit and finish, neither of the afore mentioned rifles come close to the appeal of a POF. No matter where I go, people can't resist drooling and wanting to handle my rifle.
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Hardly ever do you see a POF in a gun shop. All the ones here have LWRCI, LMT and the occasional Noveske. Sometimes when I go to buy cleaning products or misc parts a conversation starts with someone witch usually ends in "can I see it?". When that happens I don't get to leave the gun shop for a good hour! Everyone wants to hold it! I have learned not to bring it in when there are alot of people the hard way... Also people tend to flock around your shooting bench because that muzzle break grabs people attention down the range.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: POF USA

The only time my POF let me down was my fault.
At the ScoreHigh match last month my rifle jammed up on me multiple times the first day.

The environment was fine dust that had boltguns' bolts chattering after a few stages. In my infinite wisdom I chose to ignore POF's "doesn't need lube" and I greased my bolt carrier. Additionally I run a smaller piston that gives just enough gas to cycle with match ammo.
Well, the grease attracted the dust and slowed things down. I left my "normal" piston at home. Changing the piston back to stock would have cured my ills most likely.
Saturday night I cleaned the action and wiped the bolt/carrier and inside of the upper clean and dry to let the NP3 do its thing.
Sunday the rifle ran like a top.

If you are going to use your POF in dry dusty conditions, the "run dry" is not just marketing, its the best way to go!


And you see a lot of them here because they are accurate. Nothing wrong with any of the others, but most folks on "the other forums" are going for battle rifle koolaid and relatively rarely shoot at distance.

 

[500grains]

Re: POF USA

POF and LWRC = send it back tothe factory all the time to get fixed.

 

[Aubie]

Re: POF USA

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The only time my POF let me down was my fault.
At the ScoreHigh match last month my rifle jammed up on me multiple times the first day.

The environment was fine dust that had boltguns' bolts chattering after a few stages. In my infinite wisdom I chose to ignore POF's "doesn't need lube" and I greased my bolt carrier. Additionally I run a smaller piston that gives just enough gas to cycle with match ammo.
Well, the grease attracted the dust and slowed things down. I left my "normal" piston at home. Changing the piston back to stock would have cured my ills most likely.
Saturday night I cleaned the action and wiped the bolt/carrier and inside of the upper clean and dry to let the NP3 do its thing.
Sunday the rifle ran like a top.

If you are going to use your POF in dry dusty conditions, the "run dry" is not just marketing, its the best way to go!


And you see a lot of them here because they are accurate. Nothing wrong with any of the others, but most folks on "the other forums" are going for battle rifle koolaid and relatively rarely shoot at distance.

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Really? Not lubing a rifle would make me crazy. I've read that POF rifles didn't need lube but I thought that was more of the extreme case, meaning you should still do it but didn't have to if conditions didn't permit.

 

[Strangedays]

Re: POF USA

My wife shoots a POF and I use a touch of synthetic oil with my finger then wipe off with rag. Never had a single jam with the rifle and it shoots like a top. I have it sitting on a Seekins lower which fitted perfect with each other. For the Piston rifles POF is a front runner.

 

[sobrbiker883]

Re: POF USA

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Really? Not lubing a rifle would make me crazy. I've read that POF rifles didn't need lube but I thought that was more of the extreme case, meaning you should still do it but didn't have to if conditions didn't permit. </div></div>

Exctly. I run light lube, but the condiditons at that particular match were such that boltguns were getting hard to run the bolt after a few stages, and my rifle started slowing down as the grit accumulated.
-Keep in mind that mine is a 6.5 Creedmoor that I have tuned by using different piston sizes to cycle as soft as possible and get the job done. Its a tweaked gun, not an off the shelf blaster.

POF's set up as sent out from the factory are configured to run hard so they will run all the time with most all ammo. Having worked there and shooting for them I had played with mine. It was my fault not to bring my standard piston with me. The smaller piston I was using bleeds off more gas,and if I went back to the standard, I would have had more gas pressure and probably would have ran 100%

I posted what I did as a matter of disclosure. I don't want anyone that was at Charley's match to read me talking about how great POF's are and think "that guy's full of shit, I saw his POF jam up on him in a match".

 

[Aubie]

Re: POF USA

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Aubie</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Really? Not lubing a rifle would make me crazy. I've read that POF rifles didn't need lube but I thought that was more of the extreme case, meaning you should still do it but didn't have to if conditions didn't permit. </div></div>

Exctly. I run light lube, but the condiditons at that particular match were such that boltguns were getting hard to run the bolt after a few stages, and my rifle started slowing down as the grit accumulated.
-Keep in mind that mine is a 6.5 Creedmoor that I have tuned by using different piston sizes to cycle as soft as possible and get the job done. Its a tweaked gun, not an off the shelf blaster.

POF's set up as sent out from the factory are configured to run hard so they will run all the time with most all ammo. Having worked there and shooting for them I had played with mine. It was my fault not to bring my standard piston with me. The smaller piston I was using bleeds off more gas,and if I went back to the standard, I would have had more gas pressure and probably would have ran 100%

I posted what I did as a matter of disclosure. I don't want anyone that was at Charley's match to read me talking about how great POF's are and think "that guy's full of shit, I saw his POF jam up on him in a match". </div></div>

Understand all sir. I like the light touch of synthetic oil to all moving parts approach even if it isn't necessary. But it's good to know that if I was in a bind I could run this gun dry and not have to worry about it too much.

 

[bassfishindoc]

Re: POF USA

I had only heard of POF in passing before I started hanging out at this forum more. They look like great rifles. With their piston design, are the AR-15 uppers compatible with normal milspec AR-15 lowers or are they proprietary? Also, is their 308 rifle based of the AR-10 design, SR-25 design, or is it proprietary? Do they suffer from the "bolt tilt" that you see reported with Stag and Ruger piston AR's? Don't mean to hijack the thread but since we are already talking about POF I figure a few more details about the rifle can't hurt.

 

[Inogame]

Re: POF USA

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bassfishindoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had only heard of POF in passing before I started hanging out at this forum more. They look like great rifles. With their piston design, are the AR-15 uppers compatible with normal milspec AR-15 lowers or are they proprietary? Also, is their 308 rifle based of the AR-10 design, SR-25 design, or is it proprietary? Do they suffer from the "bolt tilt" that you see reported with Stag and Ruger piston AR's? Don't mean to hijack the thread but since we are already talking about POF I figure a few more details about the rifle can't hurt. </div></div>

The POF 415-416 uppers will fit Std AR-15 lowers. I don't know enough about their larger rifles to answer that part.

 

[KillShot]

Re: POF USA

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bassfishindoc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had only heard of POF in passing before I started hanging out at this forum more. They look like great rifles. With their piston design, are the AR-15 uppers compatible with normal milspec AR-15 lowers or are they proprietary? Also, is their 308 rifle based of the AR-10 design, SR-25 design, or is it proprietary? Do they suffer from the "bolt tilt" that you see reported with Stag and Ruger piston AR's? Don't mean to hijack the thread but since we are already talking about POF I figure a few more details about the rifle can't hurt.</div></div>

If I'm not mistaken, the AR uppers are not compatible with any other lower other than the POF.

I can't speak about what platform the POF has been modeled after but perhaps ScottMilk or Sobrbiker883 will provide some input in response to your question.

Frank (the owner of POF) remedied the bolt carrier tilt by making the upper rail thicker than your standard AR platform.

Refer to the video below for an insight on how the POF is made and method of operation.


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[sobrbiker883]

Re: POF USA

POF uppers are shaped like the DPMS, but DPMS has a "large hole" front take-down lug.
POF lowers' front lugs are the same diameter as ar15 mil spec holes, but use a longer take-down pin.


I just yanked my buffer (rifle length with a Magpul PRS) and after 650ish round there's none of the "tilt" issues.