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babyguppy said:
your posts are disingenuous; obtuse at best
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American beef is Fk'n expensive and UNDER biden the prices doubled. Fuel costs, fertilizer, etc.. Beef farmers sold most of their heard under Biden due to the above. Can't raise lots of hay if all your costs double. Takes like 8-10 years to get your heard back, not like you can take 10 cows and make them 100 in 2 years. FJB put the USA into a recession. Redefining the definition of 'recession' doesn't take us out of a recession.
77 going out of business everyday; I call bs, sounds like a made up number.
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Argentine beef accounts for such a small slice of beef imports — only about 2% — that even doubling that wouldn't change prices much

3. you want to lower prices, reopen grazing land for ranchers, reduce the restrictions crazy states like CA are passing and cow farts... BRING DOWN THE COSTS of operations. Hint, shit's not coming down for years. When your country goes from exporting to importing, that's a bad fk'n sign. And if BEEF prices are at a RECORD FK"N high, and you are closing your operations, there's another underlying issue that you are glossing over. Don't forget the price of equipment and everything else pretty much doubled. please spare the board by posting BS gov inflation numbers of 2% etc.. Anyone that buys food, pays bills, or fills up with gas knows the CPI numbers are fk'n BS.

and don't forget this little part here. Old people are saying fk it and retiring. the farms and ranches getting bought up, taken over (under the guise of carbon reduction) and new people can't afford the land to take over. Selling it all, saying fk it. watching Gates and China buy it up.

U.S. farmers, ranchers, and producers of every kind are growing older. The average age of farm producers (PDF, 1.8 MB) increased from 56.3 to 57.5 years from 2012 to 2017. - google search
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And almost every child of ranchers that wants to continue in the life is forced by mom and dad to buy the place for the full market value that a stranger would pay, so that the parents and siblings that left the farm/ranch can Scrooge Mcduck in their pile of $$$$. Greed means the family farm/ranch is gone forever. Just like the parents that own a 4K square ft home and travel for fun while telling their grandkids to stop being lazy useless whiners and pull themselves up by their bootstraps like it’s 1985. It’s irrelevant how anyone “feels” about this situation, the die is cast and the unlubed dildo of consequences is in motion.
 
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Shooter McGavin said:
When the drought hit here in NTX I sold off most of my cattle as it got too expense to bring hay in from other states. I was getting quotes for $125 to $175 per round bail (500lbs). I needed 140 bails to feed the cattle and I had a small ranch, even smaller now. I got $.83 a pound for my cattle at the time and that was about have of what I would have gotten the year before. That amount I got for my cattle didn't even pay for the hay I got the year before.
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I can say, your pain and what happened to you, happened to MANY usa ranchers.
Then the dildo of US gov spending and inflation under FJB rammed what remaining cattle ranchers were left.
 
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babyguppy said:
I can say, your pain and what happened to you, happened to MANY usa ranchers.
Then the dildo of US gov spending and inflation under FJB rammed what remaining cattle ranchers were left
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Locally in NE BC and NW AB, most are selling off herds for lack of cost effective feed options. 3 yrs of drought means the town water supply is at 0% flow and the reservoir is running down. 150 days until none left. (How much control of precipitation does the government have?) Our family ranch beef supplier is only keeping what is already spoken for in February; everything else is getting sold. Side note, 1/2 a cow in the freezer now costs me $2800. That still means the ranch cannot make a profit.
Buddy’s hay crop was 15% of normal this year. His cows are long gone several years ago now. This reality is ubiquitous around here. Land gets sold when people go broke. The Ontario teachers pension fund, Hutterites, and a grab bag of corporate entities scoop it up. I wonder how much they collectively contribute to the nation?
 
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Emerson0311 said:
And almost every child of ranchers that wants to continue in the life is forced by mom and dad to buy the place for the full market value that a stranger would pay, so that the parents and siblings that left the farm/ranch can Scrooge Mcduck in their pile of $$$$. Greed means the family farm/ranch is gone forever. Just like the parents that own a 4K square ft home and travel for fun while telling their grandkids to stop being lazy useless whiners and pull themselves up by their bootstraps like it’s 1985. It’s irrelevant how anyone “feels” about this situation, the die is cast and the unlubed dildo of consequences is in motion.
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More like the parents die, leave the land to the children who prefer to sell the land, make money now rather than work it and lose money year after year. That seems to be the case around here more times than not.

Facts not blame. Ain't my pig, ain't my farm but it's a damn sad commentary.
 
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37L1 said:
More like the parents die, leave the land to the children who prefer to sell the land, make money now rather than work it and lose money year after year. That seems to be the case around here more times than not.

Facts not blame. Ain't my pig, ain't my farm but it's a damn sad commentary.
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Yup, I’m in the same boat. Land auctions are real big around here now. Prices have doubled in the last 12 months. Short term gain, long term pain. Selling one’s birthright is still a thing.
 
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Piers Morgan branded This Morning star Ashley James a 'ridiculous victim' as he reignited their feud live on air and slammed her for 'playing the woke violin' on Wednesday.

The 60 year old and Ashley, 38, appeared on the ITV show to chat to hosts Ben Shephard, 50, and Cat Deeley, 48, about the latest headlines.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Piers Morgan brands squirming This Morning star a 'ridiculous victim'

The 60 year old and Ashley James, 38, appeared on the ITV show to chat to hosts Ben Shephard, 50, and Cat Deeley, 48, about the latest headlines - but the mood soon soured.
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Emerson0311 said:
Locally in NE BC and NW AB, most are selling off herds for lack of cost effective feed options. 3 yrs of drought means the town water supply is at 0% flow and the reservoir is running down. 150 days until none left. (How much control of precipitation does the government have?) Our family ranch beef supplier is only keeping what is already spoken for in February; everything else is getting sold. Side note, 1/2 a cow in the freezer now costs me $2800. That still means the ranch cannot make a profit.
Buddy’s hay crop was 15% of normal this year. His cows are long gone several years ago now. This reality is ubiquitous around here. Land gets sold when people go broke. The Ontario teachers pension fund, Hutterites, and a grab bag of corporate entities scoop it up. I wonder how much they collectively contribute to the nation?
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Because you can't have any meat! And you can't have any crops! You must eat ze bugs!
 
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Jingoist said:
Exactly.

So while our farmers/ranchers are struggling, it sounds like you would rather support Argentinian ranchers because Trump said, "They are dying" and you want cheap tripe. Got it.

From an econ 101 perspective, do you think flooding the market with cheap foreign beef will help our ranchers/farmers recover or make the rate at which they are going bankrupt accelerate?

I guess putting America and our people first doesn't quite align with the Lindsey Graham MAGA movement nowadays.
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Since when has Argentinian, "Grass Fed" beef been cheap? Frankly, I think the American, feed-lot beef tastes much better, and my local beef is mostly grass fed. Argentinian beef was a luxury, kind of like Danish pork used to be but isn't anymore (ours is better now).

If 77 ranchers a day were going out of business it would be front page national news, and it's all we would be talking about. The fact is that of all agricultural producers in America the ranchers are raking it in right now. I've got ZERO problem with that, because I am a meat bargain hunter!

You can go fuck yourself with your $100 brisket. Get the fuck out of here with that bottom of the cow shit! I've been buying New Zealand lamb chops for like $10/lb. I don't know what kind of deal Sam's Club made with them to bring this in, but it's off the hook good and I can feed the whole family for $20.

I'll buy whatever is cheap and make it good. When they think I'll pay a premium price for shit, BBQ cuts they're out of their freaking minds.

I know the weight and $/lb is a big disparity, but when a whole beef tenderloin costs the same as a whole, flat brisket, only a moron would buy the brisket.

It seems to me that the vast majority of the price inflation seems to be on ground beef and on all the crap cuts which tend to be larger and heavier. The premium cuts have risen much less.

Any kind of farming is no picnic, but Argentine beef is not going to even register IMO.
 
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