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Rifle Scopes PR Heritage Scopes

#4
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No massive selloff as I see it. If you have to remember that many people made plans to upgrade optics in the last year and then find themselve debating the mortgage or their family's insurance vs enjoying a scope whose ultimately can be accomplished by something at a lower cost.
There's a lot of GAP rifles (for example) up for sale recently, doesn't reflect anything on the rifle's quality.

My personal experience is that they are excellent scopes and relative to the market, a great item.
I don't have the luxury of just going out and buying a $2800 scope, but I have horse traded my way up the gear ladder for years to be at the point where I could get one. Unfortunately I gave up an SN3 that was MOA/MOA and a nice rimfire to make it happen, and find myself missing the USO and the MOA/MOA setup.

My heart won't be broken one bit if I'm stuck with mine (defined as a "luxury problem"), and if there was a IPHY/IPHY version of it I'd love to trade into one of those, but there ain't.

Just the view from my side of the fence........
 
#6
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I own 3 of the PR scopes. For me they are the best scopes I've owned. I know alot of people are hurting for money so they have to sell something. You could sell a couple Tasco scopes for $40 or a nice scope for $2000. If you need money , you will sell a bigger ticket item, if you have it. Some may have decided they don't like Mil adjustments or the relatively close spacing on the turrets. These really are excellant scopes. You will notice people are also selling alot of USO and S&B scopes too.

david
 
#7
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If you're worried that they know something bad about the scopes that you don't, I wouldn't be. I own one and love it. Sure the elevation clicks aren't as nice as my EREK, but it seems like an easy fix when I get around to it.

I've also heard that orders for a certain scope brand (not PH) were way down, recently. I think any PH sell-off would be more a sign of the economic times than an exodus to other brands.
 
#8
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I ended up with two 5-25 PH scopes and I only need one. I kept the other and now want to trade the USO "Canadian" it replaced with a 3-15 PH for my trainer. Nothing wrong with them. I don't think they are as tough as a USO, but their features serve my purposes better than the USO.
 
#9
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First, I've not seen a mass exodus in regards to Premier owners. Second, I can assure you that if there are many being sold it is with much regret and not due to dissatisfaction.
 
#10
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I had three sold one for a canadian to fit a 308 rifle I had the US optics are excellent as well ans the price was even trade so 3x15 out 3.2 x 17 in both mil/mil other 2 5x25's kept them
Bill

like others want to try things and keep weeding thru products to find the best
 
#12
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If I didn't have so many current needs (Denver trip, Xmas looming around the corner and a second trip to Vegas planned), I would trade off my NF for another Premier.
 
#13
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I'll start out by saying I've been buying Schmidt and Bender before most people even knew the name. They are great scopes. The clarity of my PH 3-15x50 is to my eye the same and I like the features a lot more. The other bonus is that you will also save 1K. I'd take a S&B or a PH and be happy either way, they are just tools.
 
#14
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I like my 5-25 more than my 3-15 (hence I sold the 3-15)
I found the reticle too fine on the 3-15
(I don't have perfect eyesight)

Other than that, I thought the scope was great.

BTW, if you go in and "edit" you can delete your old post in the for sale thread...

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have the luxury of just going out and buying a $2800 scope, but I have horse traded my way up the gear ladder for years to be at the point where I could get one. Unfortunately I gave up an SN3 that was MOA/MOA and a nice rimfire to make it happen, and find myself missing the USO and the MOA/MOA setup.

</div></div>

similar situation for me as well (kinda)
I got used to the GAP reticle in my USO and now miss it.....
 
#15
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: secondstoryguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'll start out by saying I've been buying Schmidt and Bender before most people even knew the name. </div></div>
Dern, you guys that were using precision hunting optics in the late 1950's impress the hell out of us internet people.
 
#17
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: chpprguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

BTW, if you go in and "edit" you can delete your old post in the for sale thread...

<span style="text-decoration: line-through"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't have the luxury of just going out and buying a $2800 scope, but I have horse traded my way up the gear ladder for years to be at the point where I could get one. Unfortunately I gave up an SN3 that was MOA/MOA and a nice rimfire to make it happen, and find myself missing the USO and the MOA/MOA setup.

</div></div></span>

</div></div>

<span style="text-decoration: line-through">?????</span> Ooops, thought that was directed my way, but you were referrring to the OP.
 
#21
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I love mine and will not sell it. If the finances get tough I'm moving in to the hills and it will help feed me.

If I had spare money I would have bought a couple of the ones people have been selling.
 
#22
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I had mine up for sale simply cause it was more scope than I needed and figured if I sold it I could get some other gear that I needed more. Plus I already had a nice scope on my rifle. In the end I decided to keep it and mount it to my rifle. I have since sold the Leupold that it replaced and that will fund other things I need.
 
#24
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I just got the 5x25 PH in a couple of weeks ago. Since the scope cost me $2250, I keep telling myself I love it. But honestly the XR Reticle is finer than I'm used to. I think I would like it better with a thicker reticle. I could see someone parting with the scope for this reason. I think I'll hang on to mine and may consider sending it back to PH to have the Gen 2 Mil-Dot reticle put in it.
 
#26
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I got my PR 3-15x50 from Scott at Liberty Optics about 8 months ago. This scope has been absolutely flawless for me and I couldn’t be happier with the purchase.
I have used it on targets from 100 to 1200ys and I was able to take a cow Elk a couple of weeks ago.

If I could I would buy 3 more of them, 2 of the 5-25s and another 3-15.
This PR scope is great!

This pic is a couple months old.
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#27
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that paint job on your rifle rocks, so does the scope. I have the 5x25 and I love it. Is taking just a little to get used to how fine the recticle is on low power but all in all it is a great scope and 1k less than a comparable s and b.
 
#28
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let me start by saying that I loved my premier heritage. the features on that scope are some of the best I've used, and it made long range ukd shooting so much easier. The glass was very clear, and everything worked at advertised.

Until

About two months ago I noticed it was that my dope was off, and getting the much sought after first round hits was much harder. After checking to make sure the action and ring screws were still tight, I also checked to make sure the elevation cam lock was tight. I decided to do a test. I dialed up to my 1055 target, 7.8 mils to get the hit, and back down to my 100 yard zero. Then dialed back up again, 9.1 mils gets the hit. I repeated this several times and my dope changed by as much as 2 mils each time.

Now my heritage had the xr reticle in it so I dialed down to my hundred yard zero and used the reticle for shooting. All of a sudden my dope was correct again and I was banging away at the steel 8.5 mils for the rest of the day.

I decided to send in the scope to have it looked at. After about a week, Premier shipped it back no problem found. They suggested I remount the scope and shoot it again because they could not explain logically my shooting condition. I have no problem with this kind of customer service, because I believe they honestly did all they could short of replacing the scope.

During the time it was away I remounted a backup scope. a falcon menace 4-14, and it was dialing perfectly. Only problem with the falcon is mushy clicks and the glass is like looking through a coke bottle, but at least it tracked well.

So I have lost faith in my premier. The only question is now what. Where do you go up from Premier? My gut feeling tells me to buy a schmidt bender, but if something happens with that scope its off to europe for who knows how long.

just a side note: I started noticing these problems at around 500 rounds of 6.5x47. I did a hell of alot of dialing of that scope during these rounds at all ranges in between 400 and 1050.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdd614</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
let me start by saying that I loved my premier heritage. the features on that scope are some of the best I've used, and it made long range ukd shooting so much easier. The glass was very clear, and everything worked at advertised.

Until

About two months ago I noticed it was that my dope was off, and getting the much sought after first round hits was much harder. After checking to make sure the action and ring screws were still tight, I also checked to make sure the elevation cam lock was tight. I decided to do a test. I dialed up to my 1055 target, 7.8 mils to get the hit, and back down to my 100 yard zero. Then dialed back up again, 9.1 mils gets the hit. I repeated this several times and my dope changed by as much as 2 mils each time.

Now my heritage had the xr reticle in it so I dialed down to my hundred yard zero and used the reticle for shooting. All of a sudden my dope was correct again and I was banging away at the steel 8.5 mils for the rest of the day.

I decided to send in the scope to have it looked at. After about a week, Premier shipped it back no problem found. They suggested I remount the scope and shoot it again because they could not explain logically my shooting condition. I have no problem with this kind of customer service, because I believe they honestly did all they could short of replacing the scope.

During the time it was away I remounted a backup scope. a falcon menace 4-14, and it was dialing perfectly. Only problem with the falcon is mushy clicks and the glass is like looking through a coke bottle, but at least it tracked well.

So I have lost faith in my premier. The only question is now what. Where do you go up from Premier? My gut feeling tells me to buy a schmidt bender, but if something happens with that scope its off to europe for who knows how long. </div></div>


Whoa... thats scary. anyone else experience this. I have not gone out to get my new dope yet so i have not really used the knobs too much out to 300.
 
#31
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I have twisted the living shit out of the elevation and windage knobs and magnification ring for over 400 rounds over unknown distances over the course of two match weekends and a trainup. First round cold bore hits at 790 and 825 yards. Targets from 25 to 1125 yards, without so much as a hiccup from the scope.

I have utter faith in the performance of my 5-25.
 
#32
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I have no doubt that most peoples heritages are working fine. Just giving my experience, I hope my scope truly was an isolated case because I want another premier in the worst way.
 
#33
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdd614</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have no doubt that most peoples heritages are working fine. Just giving my experience, I hope my scope truly was an isolated case because I want another premier in the worst way. </div></div>

Fill in the blanks for me if you would.
They did not replace the scope you said earlier, so have you sold it and If so did you mention to the buyer your problem?
You say you want another one "in the worst way" so that sounds as if you no longer have it, just curious.

I have not run mine as much as I would have liked by now but enough to say I'm very pleased
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#37
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdd614</div><div class="ubbcode-body">made arrangements to sell back to vendor, because after all premier says its working perfectly. </div></div>

Glad Scott took care of you!
 
#38
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdd614</div><div class="ubbcode-body">made arrangements to sell back to vendor, because after all premier says its working perfectly. </div></div>

I am glad too. TURKISH workers unite. mercedes! Look it up.
 
#41
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Sotexhunter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I had six, but had to sell 2 whether I liked it or not. I need 2 more and will save my pennies again and get them. </div></div>

Holy cow man, how many eyeballs do you have? Why not invest in a nice laRue quick-release mount and use all that spare change for something else.....like a new car.
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#42
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I have had no problem with one of my 5-25's. The other is waiting for the tac 50 stock to return from triggerfifty. I took the s&b off and mounted the premier. My dope matches out to 1500yds so far.
I have had my dope be off two times with my s&b's. Once was a failed 4-16. The other I thought it was a bad lot of powder, but found the culprit to be bad batch of bullets. For some reason all the bullets were shorter.
 
#43
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At the Bash another member who did the train up told me his paralex wouldn't work, called PR about it, they said to loosen the foward ring cap, and sure enough the paralex started working, I asked him if he used a torque wrench, he did, so how in the fuck can a 34mm tube deflect to the point of rendering the paralex useless from 15 inch pounds.
 
#44
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Maybe because the base was too crooked and the tube walls are too thin?

I have seen people fuck-up perfectly good scopes because they don't know what they are doing.

I have seen scope bases bowed out by as much as .015"

Bases need to be bedded or rings need to be lapped or both. Otherwise the scope will suffer.
 
#47
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lizzardking308</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For what it's worth, I caught wind that the scopes are 80% made in Taiwan. I don't know if it's true or not, but makes me think twice about Premier... Opinions?? </div></div>

Catching wind and breaking wind are pretty similar. They both smell bad and tend to dissipate over time.

"80% made in Taiwan" is a strong statement. I would like proof of what parts of the scope are made in Asia, if any at all. Not arguing with anybody here, but throwing that out there without a basis is asking for trouble.

I understand a key employee has left Premier, under apparently bad terms, and I've heard everything under the sun as to what is happening to Premier.

All I know, is I continue to order the scopes for customers, continue to receive them, and they almost always continue to make the recipients happy. We obviously are concerned with the recent scuttlebutt, but please understand we don't make business decisions based on scuttlebutt.

As to the parallax ring binding, I talked with Jerry Ricker about this when he still worked at Premier and he said the internal tolerances of the scope are so tight that in some instances (usually alloy rings; but Badgers in this case at RO) the tiny deflection that occurs at ring pressure is enough to bind the scope. There was supposed to be a redesign of the scope to avoid this from happening in the future. Anyone who has hefted a Heritage knows the tubes aren't thin. These things are stout.

All we have ever tried to do is find the best optics that serve the needs of serious shooter at the best price. We've also been very open and transparent as a dealer e.g, the 3-18 SH IOR scope. The difference here is that I had first hand knowledge of the IOR failures, and the news regarding the Premier has been mostly "rumors on the wind". We sell a lot of them and most are thrilled. Throwing out derogatory, FUD creating comments serves nobody.

So please, lets get the facts out there, or move on from this subject. I'm open to either.

Scott
 
#48
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Well the info didn't come from Jerry, it came from a shooting buddy who was curious and knew I was a fan of Premier and was looking to buy another soon. Hence I asked, didn't accuse...

I just sold my 3-15 so I can upgrade to a 5-25. I wouldn't be looking to buy a 5-25 if I wasn't happy now would I?
 
#49
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Not picking on you, but understand this thread is read by many many people and I'm all about finding out the relevant truth but "80% made in Taiwan" concerning a German engineered / US assembled scope can do a lot of damage. Damage to the customer, dealer, and manufacturer. Again, no denial or cover-up on my part. I'll take whatever comes, but I like to deal in facts.

Thanks,

Scott
 
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