Price Surgeon 591-Australia

[19818119]

Gents,

I was recently quoted the following from an Australian importer of Surgeon Actions:

Cost of one action $1285
USA gov $250
Export fee 15% $192.75
Total US $1727.75 = Australian dolars 1753.44
Australian fees Customs Duty 98.37
G.S.T 172.77
Entry Processing fee 48.86
Total 2073.44
visa fees $40.oo
I charge 10% 211.34
Total Cost<span style="color: #FF0000"> $2324.78AUD</span>

Are there any Aussies on this board who can confirm that this is a std price and if not please point me to a importer who can bring them in cheaper.

Thanks,
Rath

 

[peteyen86]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Pm sent

Pete

 

[vman]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Sounds retarded if you ask me... not like I have any experience with this, but im hoping to in the future.

 

[ChrisF]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia


I would point you to the actions etc that are being made in else where ( non USA ) , due mostly to the very high cost of US permitting .
I have a few Surgeon actions in New Zealand , and they are very nice , BUT they are not worth double what they sell for in the US .

Look at the new actions in UK & Germany as a alternate .

Later Chris

 

[ChrisF]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia


You can also look at private imports into Aussie , and get AI or other European rifles from the UK etc , maybe a btter option for you .

 

[brent_86]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Hey mate
I know of 2 people bringing these in at the moment one is the actual distributor in Australia. who gave you that quote?

 

[apsilon]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Can't help with most of this but I import a *lot* and there's two things I'd question:

1. Visa fee. I've never seen this before for a parcel.
2. Customs duty. Almost everything that's US made should be duty free due to the free trade agreement we have. There are a few items that aren't so perhaps actions are one but still worth a quick check. The fact that most duty is 5% I also can't see how they've calculated the customs amount.

You can knock those two off IMO and his 10% and import yourself. It's easy. The paperwork at this end is only two A4 pages and there'll only be two fields you won't have the info for and you just look those up on the cutoms website. Don't forget your import permit (which is free).

 

[Emouse]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

The fees that have to be paid in the US are obscene. Surgeon won't sell a private individual on export anything much less bother responding. You have to buy at full US retail via Brownells or another FFL holder.

You will be legally liable to import duty and any other sales tax on entry.

As others have said,..better actions are available for less and you will face the same problem on any US import. This is not just for Australia.

 

[ChrisF]

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I have have no problems actually buying anything from Surgeon , the trouble starts with the obscene amount of time and cost to get IT out of the US , its a shame really , that the US GovT does this crap , to US companies .

look at the trigger guard badger brought out to use the AI AICS mags , and use McMillan stocks , they would have been able to sell these all over the Western world to sporting shooters , but no .

And as such , you now have knock offs of this bottom metal , made in Canada , UK & Germany , Opps .

Brilliant , this has had a real impact on the WOT , ( and for the slow , that was a JOKE ) .

Opps , I am now looking at a couple of UK companies for stuff , I use to source from the US , and thats actions , rails , guards etc , Opps , nice going .

Thank GOD , AI rifles are made in the UK .

Because if they where not , I would not be able to have ONE , thanks , land of the Free , not .

But more than this , I understand GovT , doing what the hell they want , BUT what I cannot understand , is the US companies lying down and taking this crap , with out so much as a sqeak .

Later Chris

 

[19818119]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Thanks Chris,

Can you elaborate on which actions you refer to and who sells them?
Thanks
Rath

 

[19818119]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Brent86</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hey mate
I know of 2 people bringing these in at the moment one is the actual distributor in Australia. who gave you that quote? </div></div>

Hi Brent,

Quote was through Ron Hatton of Hatton Arms.
I know Clancy brings them in but he is near impossible to communicate with, I have sent him emails requesting quotes and have not received replies as yet...

 

[ChrisF]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Sure , the UK ones are Rem700 clones , and if you go to " ukvarminting.com/forums " , you will be able to talk to the Brits about what you want , also look at their ADs , Valkyrie Rifles & Anglo , for actions , bottom metals etc , also IF you are after a very good cut-rifled barrel , get them to send the action to Border Barrels .

RE the German one , its Roedales Avenger II , but bare in mind he has a rep of long delays and poor coms , but does make some good stuff .

If you use one of the Brit actions , see IF they can cut the bottom so you can use the excellent 10rd AW magazine , as its double feed , double stack design .

Cheers Chris

 

[Wild_Bill]

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Hi We import Lawton actions and will not import just one action at a time because of the issues on the US export requirements. if a batch is ordered in then the export fee is the same for all of the actions so the 250 devides amongst the actions. then the exporter charges his fee and that is ususaly from 10 to 15%, once here in Australia you will have to pay 10% GST and also a customs clearence fee and for actions you will have to use a Broker they will charge a fee aswell to do all of the paperwork. Now unless you are a firearms dealer you can not bring an action in it MUST go through a licenced firearms dealer and they will likley want something for their time awsell. for actions they are posted to us after clearence but rifles we have to drive 2 hours ot the airport customs and manualy clear the rifles we could do this without the broker with the actions but it is cheeper for us to use a broker to clear the actions than loose a full day. As for Duty if the item you are importing is made in the US it is now Duty free so you do not have to pay that.

so what i am saying is if you are trying to just import one action it is not worth it you realy have to import 10 plus at a time to reduce the associated costs and yse some places in the US charge a Visa fee in the US the costs of items are for a cash rate then they can add whatever percentage that the banks charge them for using a foreighn credit care and that is usualr 5% or under so you see things add up very quickly if the extra charges are added together.

Contact Ron Hatton in Adelaide as he is bringing in a lot of them and is the main importer and usualy has some in stock or on the way they should not be 2 grand though especialy with the Aust Dollar up now but if he purchased them at 70c in the dollar you will have to pay the cost he paid. I know that DAT actions bare are around 2300 aswell from multiple dealers because the importer has to make some money on them aswell if they outlay cash for them and stock them so it is a catch 22 and you will never buy the things here for the same price as in the us.

I will give you an example say a 175gr Sierra 7mm MatchKing they retail for under $35us in the US here they are retailing for $68 Aust it si the way it is here if you want something the governments all have their fingers in the pie.

 

[vman]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

I have a feeling my custom build, whenever it may happen, is going to be a life draining experience.

Thanks for the info Bill.

Will be in touch soon regarding some work myself and a mate need done

 

[brent_86]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

I know Scott from http://www.moaperformance.com/ was bringing them in but at the time I was looking Ron was much cheaper. When I talked to surgeon they listed Ron as the only Australian distributor.

 

[peteyen86]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Wild_Bill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Hi We import Lawton actions and will not import just one action at a time because of the issues on the US export requirements. if a batch is ordered in then the export fee is the same for all of the actions so the 250 devides amongst the actions. then the exporter charges his fee and that is ususaly from 10 to 15%, once here in Australia you will have to pay 10% GST and also a customs clearence fee and for actions you will have to use a Broker they will charge a fee aswell to do all of the paperwork. Now unless you are a firearms dealer you can not bring an action in it MUST go through a licenced firearms dealer and they will likley want something for their time awsell. for actions they are posted to us after clearence but rifles we have to drive 2 hours ot the airport customs and manualy clear the rifles we could do this without the broker with the actions but it is cheeper for us to use a broker to clear the actions than loose a full day. As for Duty if the item you are importing is made in the US it is now Duty free so you do not have to pay that.

so what i am saying is if you are trying to just import one action it is not worth it you realy have to import 10 plus at a time to reduce the associated costs and yse some places in the US charge a Visa fee in the US the costs of items are for a cash rate then they can add whatever percentage that the banks charge them for using a foreighn credit care and that is usualr 5% or under so you see things add up very quickly if the extra charges are added together.

Contact Ron Hatton in Adelaide as he is bringing in a lot of them and is the main importer and usualy has some in stock or on the way they should not be 2 grand though especialy with the Aust Dollar up now but if he purchased them at 70c in the dollar you will have to pay the cost he paid. I know that DAT actions bare are around 2300 aswell from multiple dealers because the importer has to make some money on them aswell if they outlay cash for them and stock them so it is a catch 22 and you will never buy the things here for the same price as in the us.

I will give you an example say a 175gr Sierra 7mm MatchKing they retail for under $35us in the US here they are retailing for $68 Aust it si the way it is here if you want something the governments all have their fingers in the pie.

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Hey Bill, his quote was from Ron Hatton.

Rath, the another company that might be able to help out is Delta Tactical. Let me know if you want his details.


Pete

 

[19818119]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Thanks Pete, I already have Danny's details.
Cheers
Rath

 

[crnkin]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

Too many people have their finger in that pie IMO.

I think you should contact surgeon and see what they say. They may have an 'option' for you.

Thats still relatively cheap. We pay $2700+ for basic actions here, again, due to too many fingers in the pie. Visa provides no service, the exporter provides no service if the importer is providing one too, so why pay for them.

Chris

 

[Wild_Bill]

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Well Ron should be importing more than one action to make it sheeper this end if he is going to state that he is the Australian importer. he also should be able to get them at trade price in the US not quote retail then add from there.

I would look at a diferent action if i was you as they are a lot cheeper we have actions coming every 3 months or so.

Ask Ron what actions he keeps in stock aswell? If you want any info PM me as i dont want to go into to much or see to be trying to use this as an advert here.

 

[peteyen86]

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"Well Ron should be importing more than one action"

Thats exactly what i was thinking.

Pete

 

[Emouse]

Re: Price Surgeon 591-Australia

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Crnkin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Too many people have their finger in that pie IMO.

I think you should contact surgeon and see what they say. They may have an 'option' for you.

Thats still relatively cheap. We pay $2700+ for basic actions here, again, due to too many fingers in the pie. Visa provides no service, the exporter provides no service if the importer is providing one too, so why pay for them.

Chris</div></div>


Dont waste your time on surgeon,..they do not export as they won't pay the $2400 export licence fee. If they bother to answer they will direct you to Brownells who also will cahrge you to submit the DSP83. Its the same with every US entity.

UK clones 700 actions are just that and not always that well executed.

AI are indeed still UK made and available internationally albeit you pay for the name. This may change now that the AW is in effect substitute standard for the UK military and probably on borrowed time elsewhere?? The AE is infact pretty good value for money.

If a Australian retailer wanted to make its own Rem clone it would not take alot of time or money at all. In engineering terms its not rocket science at all.

It would be nice to see them do it!

 

[ChrisF]

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Actually , I would like to see more actions available from countries outside the US .

BUT , as far as I am concerned , WHY would you copy the Rem700 action , its a cheap sporting action ( thats what it was designed as ) .

As you will be writing code etc for CNC machines etc , start OFF with something else , and copy something that was designed as a sniper rifle action , ie like a AW or a PH M85 , much better than a modified Rem700 clone .

BUT if you must have a Rem700 type action , for a Tac Build , AT least use one thats designed to run the AW mag & has a longer tunion .

Me , if I was in Aussie ,I would import a AI AW if you want a 308 class rifle , and if a 338LM , either a AI AX or a Sako TRG-42 .

Job done .

Opps , I just got in some actions from the US , 6x , and can tell you that the cost of importing runs these , is at the moment 34 % over the US cost , and it will rise , as I have yet to get the bill for broker fees , and my guess is once this is in , then the actual extra cost over the US price , will be 40 % or higher , so if you think you can do cheaper , go to it , maybe you can show me HOW .

I won't hold my breath thou .

You also have to factor in forex rates , and contary to what arm chair commandos may think , most of the time , you have to pay when they want the money ( and thats usually at the worst rates for you ) .

Something , we conviently forget about , when pricing our custom build is the cost of gunsmithing , blueing , painting , inletting stocks , etc , we forget them , because we want the build to appear like good value , when in most cases , you would have been better served to have gone with the likes of AI or Sako .

Later Chris