R700 sudden loss in accuracy
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Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
I held the ruler on its side - the objective being it should sit flat across both the front and rear base. However the rear was canted upwards significantly which was effectively putting a 'bow' into the scope.
One other thing to consider - the Leopold scope you have now mounted might be of a more ridged construction than the 3200 and not be as affected by mount induced stress. Even if it does work at the range you should still check for alignment.
Your idea of the EGW one piece is a good way to go.
I held the ruler on its side - the objective being it should sit flat across both the front and rear base. However the rear was canted upwards significantly which was effectively putting a 'bow' into the scope.
One other thing to consider - the Leopold scope you have now mounted might be of a more ridged construction than the 3200 and not be as affected by mount induced stress. Even if it does work at the range you should still check for alignment.
Your idea of the EGW one piece is a good way to go.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Here we go, I've dug out the POS mounts and put em on to show you - all before I've had a cup of coffee too!!
Couldn't show you the other method of mounting the scope as I can't be arsed to set up the scope again and re-zero.. Sorry!
Anyway you can clearly see the mismatch. Using a feeler gauge I determined the gap was 0.035". This is enough to stop the Elite 3200 from working correctly when torqued down.
Here we go, I've dug out the POS mounts and put em on to show you - all before I've had a cup of coffee too!!
Couldn't show you the other method of mounting the scope as I can't be arsed to set up the scope again and re-zero.. Sorry!
Anyway you can clearly see the mismatch. Using a feeler gauge I determined the gap was 0.035". This is enough to stop the Elite 3200 from working correctly when torqued down.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
That condition would certainly screw things up! Easy to check.
Thanks Jagged 77, good info! (Always nice to have a Brit onboard!)
Come on Canis, get that smoke pole onto the bench and tell us what you find. The anticipation is killing us! And get a one piece base!
That condition would certainly screw things up! Easy to check.
Thanks Jagged 77, good info! (Always nice to have a Brit onboard!)
Come on Canis, get that smoke pole onto the bench and tell us what you find. The anticipation is killing us! And get a one piece base!
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
They were the Leupold quick release weaver QRW bases I believe. Can't be 100% sure however as it was a while ago when I got them I threw away the packaging. I am however as certain as I can be that the packaging was intact and they were correctly labled Rem 700 LA.
They certainly would never have seen the light of day again if it hadn't been for this thread and I've never felt the inclination to investigate the problem further. Lesson learned, you pay for what you get!
They were the Leupold quick release weaver QRW bases I believe. Can't be 100% sure however as it was a while ago when I got them I threw away the packaging. I am however as certain as I can be that the packaging was intact and they were correctly labled Rem 700 LA.
They certainly would never have seen the light of day again if it hadn't been for this thread and I've never felt the inclination to investigate the problem further. Lesson learned, you pay for what you get!
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
I am kinda concerned about the ruler/bases photo, and wondering if mounting your buddy's scope in them might end up distorting the scope tube.
When you mount the scope, take both ring caps off and lay the scope into the lowers. Slip on the rear cap and begin tightening the screws.
If the scope tube lifts up out of the front base when you get the rear cap pretty snug, <span style="font-style: italic">do not</span> proceed any further with the mounting operation, the scope rings are misaligned.
Repeat the operation, only tighten the front cap alone, instead. Any lifting of the scope out of the other ring indicates a problem.
Also, you can check your barrel channel for crud with a crisp dollar bill. Slip it along the bottom of the barrel and slide it under the barrel between it and the stock, checking for any contact between the two.
Some rifles have a contact pad near to front end of the stock, and that's OK if it's intentional (some R700's included). But contact further inward until you get very near the receiver is probably not OK, and usually indicates contamination which is definitely capable of screwing with your accuracy.
It doesn't take much damage to mess up a crown. Sometimes it takes a magnifier to see the problem. Any visible distortion that mught be due to physical damage of the juncture between the muzzle face and the rifling should be considered abnormal. It's supposed to be crisp and even all the way around the bore exit.
Greg
I am kinda concerned about the ruler/bases photo, and wondering if mounting your buddy's scope in them might end up distorting the scope tube.
When you mount the scope, take both ring caps off and lay the scope into the lowers. Slip on the rear cap and begin tightening the screws.
If the scope tube lifts up out of the front base when you get the rear cap pretty snug, <span style="font-style: italic">do not</span> proceed any further with the mounting operation, the scope rings are misaligned.
Repeat the operation, only tighten the front cap alone, instead. Any lifting of the scope out of the other ring indicates a problem.
Also, you can check your barrel channel for crud with a crisp dollar bill. Slip it along the bottom of the barrel and slide it under the barrel between it and the stock, checking for any contact between the two.
Some rifles have a contact pad near to front end of the stock, and that's OK if it's intentional (some R700's included). But contact further inward until you get very near the receiver is probably not OK, and usually indicates contamination which is definitely capable of screwing with your accuracy.
It doesn't take much damage to mess up a crown. Sometimes it takes a magnifier to see the problem. Any visible distortion that mught be due to physical damage of the juncture between the muzzle face and the rifling should be considered abnormal. It's supposed to be crisp and even all the way around the bore exit.
Greg
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
OK, following on from what Greg has said, I've gone ahead and put the damn things back on and mounted an old 3200 so you can see the problem further. One thing which I didn't mention before was if there was any mismatch in the rings, the problem with the base is only going become exacerbated. In this case the gap between the scope and front ring is now a whopping 0.063" (1.60mm). Hope you can make out the gap clearly enough on the photos.
Please note that I've shown this for demonstration purposes only!!
OK, following on from what Greg has said, I've gone ahead and put the damn things back on and mounted an old 3200 so you can see the problem further. One thing which I didn't mention before was if there was any mismatch in the rings, the problem with the base is only going become exacerbated. In this case the gap between the scope and front ring is now a whopping 0.063" (1.60mm). Hope you can make out the gap clearly enough on the photos.
Please note that I've shown this for demonstration purposes only!!
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
make sure your rings are true, make sure everything is tight to spec. Remmington recievers are notorious for being untrue. Make sure you have a good platform to start from.
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OK, so sometimes I quote myself.
Get a one piece base and bed it. That's the only way you are going to totally solve this problem.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: gugubica</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
make sure your rings are true, make sure everything is tight to spec. Remmington recievers are notorious for being untrue. Make sure you have a good platform to start from.
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OK, so sometimes I quote myself.
Get a one piece base and bed it. That's the only way you are going to totally solve this problem.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Oh, and im glad you found the issue. Check your scope to make sure it did not damage anything.
Ahhh, I can feel my posts count rising!
Oh, and im glad you found the issue. Check your scope to make sure it did not damage anything.
Ahhh, I can feel my posts count rising!
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
That was Jagged77's rifle. Canis probably has the same issue. I had the same problem with the two piece Leupold bases on both a 40XB and a 700 action. Not sure if it was tolerance issues with the receivers, bases or both. No more two piece bases for me.
More post counts for me too!
That was Jagged77's rifle. Canis probably has the same issue. I had the same problem with the two piece Leupold bases on both a 40XB and a 700 action. Not sure if it was tolerance issues with the receivers, bases or both. No more two piece bases for me.
More post counts for me too!
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Yea man, that dont look too good. Glad to hear you found the issue. Now you just have to get it fixed to get back on target!
Yea man, that dont look too good. Glad to hear you found the issue. Now you just have to get it fixed to get back on target!
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea man, that dont look too good. Glad to hear you found the issue. Now you just have to get it fixed to get back on target! </div></div>
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea man, that dont look too good. Glad to hear you found the issue. Now you just have to get it fixed to get back on target! </div></div>
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing!
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No, its all me.. should have read that entire thread before I commented LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jagged77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea man, that dont look too good. Glad to hear you found the issue. Now you just have to get it fixed to get back on target! </div></div>
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing! </div></div>
No, its all me.. should have read that entire thread before I commented LOL
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jagged77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jackalope33B</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Yea man, that dont look too good. Glad to hear you found the issue. Now you just have to get it fixed to get back on target! </div></div>
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing! </div></div>
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jagged77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing! </div></div>
Did that Bushnell survive your missalignment, and live to shoot again without tracking issues?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jagged77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing! </div></div>
Did that Bushnell survive your missalignment, and live to shoot again without tracking issues?
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdgray</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jagged77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing! </div></div>
Did that Bushnell survive your missalignment, and live to shoot again without tracking issues? </div></div>
TBH its been relegated to a .22 trainer. That's not to say its not up to sitting on a CF because as far as I can tell it is 100% functional.
The cost of shooting over here (powder / heads etc) makes me conscious of quality vs cost. A mediocre scope on a .300 WM (or 308 / 270 etc) is definitely false economy. Also I always have those niggling doubts about reliability.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jdgray</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jagged77</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Sorry for the confusion - I was demonstrating an example of what could be wrong. Its a problem I had ages ago that might provide a solution to the problems Canis Latrans is currently experiencing! </div></div>
Did that Bushnell survive your missalignment, and live to shoot again without tracking issues? </div></div>
TBH its been relegated to a .22 trainer. That's not to say its not up to sitting on a CF because as far as I can tell it is 100% functional.
The cost of shooting over here (powder / heads etc) makes me conscious of quality vs cost. A mediocre scope on a .300 WM (or 308 / 270 etc) is definitely false economy. Also I always have those niggling doubts about reliability.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
ALRIGHT. The results are in, but first let me just thank everyone, especially Jagged77. You really helped out with your first posts, and went way above and beyond with all of the pictures. I did not see the pictures until after the range trip, but I will take the rings off anyway in a little bit and check the base. I hope I find slight misalignment, which will give me a reason to get the EGW but not enough to have damaged either scope.
At the range I put the target at 50 yards, sighted down the bore and lined the scope up and fired. About 2" high and right. Second shot, 2 inches below that. Next two shots about .5" group for the three (not including first fouling shot). Moved target to 100 yards. Fired three shots. The group with this borrowed scope and 150 grain Winchester Powerpoint factory loads was .75" center to center.
I need to get more ammo, but I fired 2 more shots 10 minutes later or so that were about 1.5" apart.
While at the range I removed this scope, degreased all ring parts and the 3200 and mounted this back on the rifle. Looking down the bore I lined it up and adjusted the scope. It was 1" above dead center on the first shot. I fired 3 shots into about a 1.5" group.
Because the scope did adjust during the bore-sighting the adjustments do work. I don't know how accurate they are and maybe I'll do a box test next time. After this group I was distracted by a couple who were telling me about .22 apple seed shooting and so I played with my CZ .22 Trainer with 4x Nikon Prostaff scope for the rest of the day.
Shot using a sling and resting elbow on wooden bench. Targets are supposed to simulate shooting at 300 and 400 yards when placed at 25 meters.
There's something nice about shooting to see how well you can shoot, in a less supported position, not how well your rifle can in sand bags. First try at this, 25 meters.
From this I can assume that the problem isn't in the bore, crown, action screws, stock movement or damage from the cleaning patch earlier. It also shouldn't be ammo. It must either be the base, the rings or the scope, or something related to that (like excessive grease?). I don't believe it is the rings, as they were, as stated before, replaced with the highly recommended Z rings from Burris. So IMO it must either be a base problem or a scope problem. What does everyone else think?
ALRIGHT. The results are in, but first let me just thank everyone, especially Jagged77. You really helped out with your first posts, and went way above and beyond with all of the pictures. I did not see the pictures until after the range trip, but I will take the rings off anyway in a little bit and check the base. I hope I find slight misalignment, which will give me a reason to get the EGW but not enough to have damaged either scope.
At the range I put the target at 50 yards, sighted down the bore and lined the scope up and fired. About 2" high and right. Second shot, 2 inches below that. Next two shots about .5" group for the three (not including first fouling shot). Moved target to 100 yards. Fired three shots. The group with this borrowed scope and 150 grain Winchester Powerpoint factory loads was .75" center to center.
I need to get more ammo, but I fired 2 more shots 10 minutes later or so that were about 1.5" apart.
While at the range I removed this scope, degreased all ring parts and the 3200 and mounted this back on the rifle. Looking down the bore I lined it up and adjusted the scope. It was 1" above dead center on the first shot. I fired 3 shots into about a 1.5" group.
Because the scope did adjust during the bore-sighting the adjustments do work. I don't know how accurate they are and maybe I'll do a box test next time. After this group I was distracted by a couple who were telling me about .22 apple seed shooting and so I played with my CZ .22 Trainer with 4x Nikon Prostaff scope for the rest of the day.
Shot using a sling and resting elbow on wooden bench. Targets are supposed to simulate shooting at 300 and 400 yards when placed at 25 meters.
From this I can assume that the problem isn't in the bore, crown, action screws, stock movement or damage from the cleaning patch earlier. It also shouldn't be ammo. It must either be the base, the rings or the scope, or something related to that (like excessive grease?). I don't believe it is the rings, as they were, as stated before, replaced with the highly recommended Z rings from Burris. So IMO it must either be a base problem or a scope problem. What does everyone else think?
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Well, I'd say that $7 base should just be replaced. You said you were getting the EGW 1-piece anyway huh? That should be a lot more of a guarantee.
Get that EGW 1-piece then trouble shoot again. If the problem is still there... then it's the RINGS... BADGERS! haha. Naw, Seekins are good.
Well, I'd say that $7 base should just be replaced. You said you were getting the EGW 1-piece anyway huh? That should be a lot more of a guarantee.
Get that EGW 1-piece then trouble shoot again. If the problem is still there... then it's the RINGS... BADGERS! haha. Naw, Seekins are good.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Well like I mentioned the rings have already been replaced and the problem continued.
Well like I mentioned the rings have already been replaced and the problem continued.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
The first two images I am pushing the bar down level with the front base. The second picture is with the pressure pushing down between the two bases. I hope you can see that there is light coming through showing a space. The amount is small however, and I assumed all two piece bases would have this. Would simply mounting a one piece picatinny fix this, or is it a bigger problem than that involving base bedding etc.? What is the likelihood that this is causing the problem?
The first two images I am pushing the bar down level with the front base. The second picture is with the pressure pushing down between the two bases. I hope you can see that there is light coming through showing a space. The amount is small however, and I assumed all two piece bases would have this. Would simply mounting a one piece picatinny fix this, or is it a bigger problem than that involving base bedding etc.? What is the likelihood that this is causing the problem?
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
"There is a difference, the actions produced prior to @ 1974 have a lower rear bridge height. This means that any non prefix action and probably some A prefix are not the same dimensionally as the actions made afterwards. The really old 700 actions have a cut out at the rear bridge that appears like a clip slot, not all 6 digit actions have this apparently but the early ones do. If you have an early action a later type base can be used if you shim and bed the base to the action, this will take care of the difference in rear bridge height. Remington made a change in the actions that required a higher rear bridge around 1974."
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=1126626
"There is a difference, the actions produced prior to @ 1974 have a lower rear bridge height. This means that any non prefix action and probably some A prefix are not the same dimensionally as the actions made afterwards. The really old 700 actions have a cut out at the rear bridge that appears like a clip slot, not all 6 digit actions have this apparently but the early ones do. If you have an early action a later type base can be used if you shim and bed the base to the action, this will take care of the difference in rear bridge height. Remington made a change in the actions that required a higher rear bridge around 1974."
http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showthreaded&Number=1126626
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I bought my gun new from Remington last year... Lol. They started making SPS like 5 years ago... Thanks for the tip but unless I'm missing something there is no way this could apply to me. Thanks though, and what do people think about the update?
I bought my gun new from Remington last year... Lol. They started making SPS like 5 years ago... Thanks for the tip but unless I'm missing something there is no way this could apply to me. Thanks though, and what do people think about the update?
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
When you get the EGW one piece base, tighten one end at a time with the other end loose and look to see if either end of the base lifts up. This is a common problem due to the tolerances between the receivers and the bases. If the gap is tiny, such as a couple thousands of and inch, it's usually not a problem. If the gap is large when one end or the other is tightened down, the base will need to be bedded. If you want to try it yourself, there's threads on here showing you how, or you could have a local smith do it.
When you get the EGW one piece base, tighten one end at a time with the other end loose and look to see if either end of the base lifts up. This is a common problem due to the tolerances between the receivers and the bases. If the gap is tiny, such as a couple thousands of and inch, it's usually not a problem. If the gap is large when one end or the other is tightened down, the base will need to be bedded. If you want to try it yourself, there's threads on here showing you how, or you could have a local smith do it.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Glad to have helped and pleased to see you are on your way to getting sorted.
I strongly suspect that the Elite 3200 has a pretty weak tube and delicate internals (not to say it can't stand recoil though) and is prone to stop working correctly with any stress placed upon it.
Getting everything into alignment with a one piece base (bedding if necessary) and even lapping the rings will cure this (check out the Wheeler or equivalent scope mounting kits).
My solution to the problem was to mount a quality one piece base 30mm Meopta tactical scope and Optilock rings.
Best of luck and happy shooting!
Ed
Glad to have helped and pleased to see you are on your way to getting sorted.
I strongly suspect that the Elite 3200 has a pretty weak tube and delicate internals (not to say it can't stand recoil though) and is prone to stop working correctly with any stress placed upon it.
Getting everything into alignment with a one piece base (bedding if necessary) and even lapping the rings will cure this (check out the Wheeler or equivalent scope mounting kits).
My solution to the problem was to mount a quality one piece base 30mm Meopta tactical scope and Optilock rings.
Best of luck and happy shooting!
Ed
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
This needs a 1 piece, and bedded. Bed with the front two screws barly tight, with the rear screws just plugging the holes and keeping alignment. You'll pick up some elevation when its all said and done.
Good call Jagged77
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canis Latrans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first two images I am pushing the bar down level with the front base. The second picture is with the pressure pushing down between the two bases. I hope you can see that there is light coming through showing a space. The amount is small however, and I assumed all two piece bases would have this. Would simply mounting a one piece picatinny fix this, or is it a bigger problem than that involving base bedding etc.? What is the likelihood that this is causing the problem?
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This needs a 1 piece, and bedded. Bed with the front two screws barly tight, with the rear screws just plugging the holes and keeping alignment. You'll pick up some elevation when its all said and done.
Good call Jagged77
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canis Latrans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The first two images I am pushing the bar down level with the front base. The second picture is with the pressure pushing down between the two bases. I hope you can see that there is light coming through showing a space. The amount is small however, and I assumed all two piece bases would have this. Would simply mounting a one piece picatinny fix this, or is it a bigger problem than that involving base bedding etc.? What is the likelihood that this is causing the problem?
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There is misalignment, but going to a single piece rail is not necessarily a solution.
If the misalignment is due to the receiver being o/o spec, the single piece base will need to be bedded to ensure a stress-free mounting condition.
I diagnose the original problem as being due to scope issues, and the base misalignment is a second, additional problem.
Greg
There is misalignment, but going to a single piece rail is not necessarily a solution.
If the misalignment is due to the receiver being o/o spec, the single piece base will need to be bedded to ensure a stress-free mounting condition.
I diagnose the original problem as being due to scope issues, and the base misalignment is a second, additional problem.
Greg
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What does o/o spec mean? Jagged's rig had the same exact symptoms as me, only his pics were even worse. He went to the single piece base everything was apparently fine. It seems that almost no one outside this board has even heard of bedding a base. Even out of the people on here it seems like half of them don't do it or don't think it matters. How much would it cost for me to get the materials? If I put release agent on the receiver everything will come off and not lower its value right? I will probably end up getting the EGW base soon, and if I still have problems after that I will look into bedding it. Once again I can't believe that the average Joe buying a hunting rifle has ever bothered with this stuff, and I know many of them get 1 MOA out of their 700's.
What does o/o spec mean? Jagged's rig had the same exact symptoms as me, only his pics were even worse. He went to the single piece base everything was apparently fine. It seems that almost no one outside this board has even heard of bedding a base. Even out of the people on here it seems like half of them don't do it or don't think it matters. How much would it cost for me to get the materials? If I put release agent on the receiver everything will come off and not lower its value right? I will probably end up getting the EGW base soon, and if I still have problems after that I will look into bedding it. Once again I can't believe that the average Joe buying a hunting rifle has ever bothered with this stuff, and I know many of them get 1 MOA out of their 700's.
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When I mounted my one piece base there was no misalignment, or if there was it wasn't very apparent. Therefore no need to bed the rail.
The idea of bedding the rail is to eliminate stress - exactly as you would aim to do by bedding an action into a stock. Devcon metal putty is the bedding of choice and works well. Release agent on the action in the form of Kiwi neutral shoe polish will ensure no sticking. The bedding will be on your scope rail only.
Don't get hung up on it to be honest. Best thing to do it get your EGW one piece and and cheap set of feeler gauges from a local car parts store. As already mentioned tighten down the two screws at the front leaving the rear unattached, then try and fit the thinnest gauge underneath. If you can't get the gauge to go under you're all good (I think someone above mentioned the acceptable tolerance - can't remember off the top). Now do the same in reverse.
Again to be honest as long as there is no real problem and its not sticking up in the air just mount the bloody thing and shoot it.
Remember that on here people are talking about precision rifles and how to get the very best from them. Hope that helps.
Ed
When I mounted my one piece base there was no misalignment, or if there was it wasn't very apparent. Therefore no need to bed the rail.
The idea of bedding the rail is to eliminate stress - exactly as you would aim to do by bedding an action into a stock. Devcon metal putty is the bedding of choice and works well. Release agent on the action in the form of Kiwi neutral shoe polish will ensure no sticking. The bedding will be on your scope rail only.
Don't get hung up on it to be honest. Best thing to do it get your EGW one piece and and cheap set of feeler gauges from a local car parts store. As already mentioned tighten down the two screws at the front leaving the rear unattached, then try and fit the thinnest gauge underneath. If you can't get the gauge to go under you're all good (I think someone above mentioned the acceptable tolerance - can't remember off the top). Now do the same in reverse.
Again to be honest as long as there is no real problem and its not sticking up in the air just mount the bloody thing and shoot it.
Remember that on here people are talking about precision rifles and how to get the very best from them. Hope that helps.
Ed
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canis Latrans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does o/o spec mean? Jagged's rig had the same exact symptoms as me, only his pics were even worse. He went to the single piece base everything was apparently fine. It seems that almost no one outside this board has even heard of bedding a base. Even out of the people on here it seems like half of them don't do it or don't think it matters. How much would it cost for me to get the materials? If I put release agent on the receiver everything will come off and not lower its value right? I will probably end up getting the EGW base soon, and if I still have problems after that I will look into bedding it. Once again I can't believe that the average Joe buying a hunting rifle has ever bothered with this stuff, and I know many of them get 1 MOA out of their 700's. </div></div>
Get on Ken Farrell's web site, his bases are very good quality, and come with a groove on the bottom just for bedding. If your reciever is OOS, bedding is the only way to ensure the base wont bend when you tighten it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canis Latrans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does o/o spec mean? Jagged's rig had the same exact symptoms as me, only his pics were even worse. He went to the single piece base everything was apparently fine. It seems that almost no one outside this board has even heard of bedding a base. Even out of the people on here it seems like half of them don't do it or don't think it matters. How much would it cost for me to get the materials? If I put release agent on the receiver everything will come off and not lower its value right? I will probably end up getting the EGW base soon, and if I still have problems after that I will look into bedding it. Once again I can't believe that the average Joe buying a hunting rifle has ever bothered with this stuff, and I know many of them get 1 MOA out of their 700's. </div></div>
Get on Ken Farrell's web site, his bases are very good quality, and come with a groove on the bottom just for bedding. If your reciever is OOS, bedding is the only way to ensure the base wont bend when you tighten it.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canis Latrans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does o/o spec mean? Jagged's rig had the same exact symptoms as me, only his pics were even worse. He went to the single piece base everything was apparently fine. It seems that almost no one outside this board has even heard of bedding a base. Even out of the people on here it seems like half of them don't do it or don't think it matters. How much would it cost for me to get the materials? If I put release agent on the receiver everything will come off and not lower its value right? I will probably end up getting the EGW base soon, and if I still have problems after that I will look into bedding it. Once again I can't believe that the average Joe buying a hunting rifle has ever bothered with this stuff, and I know many of them get 1 MOA out of their 700's. </div></div>
o/o spec is short for "out of specification" which means "misaligned" or crooked.
And I know a lot of average Joes that did bed their base (if needed) and was able to hold a zero and get 3/4 MOA out of their 700's.
I mean you seem to not want to bed your scope base (again if its needed) but I'd bet you'd clean your barrel if you shot 50 rounds through it.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Canis Latrans</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What does o/o spec mean? Jagged's rig had the same exact symptoms as me, only his pics were even worse. He went to the single piece base everything was apparently fine. It seems that almost no one outside this board has even heard of bedding a base. Even out of the people on here it seems like half of them don't do it or don't think it matters. How much would it cost for me to get the materials? If I put release agent on the receiver everything will come off and not lower its value right? I will probably end up getting the EGW base soon, and if I still have problems after that I will look into bedding it. Once again I can't believe that the average Joe buying a hunting rifle has ever bothered with this stuff, and I know many of them get 1 MOA out of their 700's. </div></div>
o/o spec is short for "out of specification" which means "misaligned" or crooked.
And I know a lot of average Joes that did bed their base (if needed) and was able to hold a zero and get 3/4 MOA out of their 700's.
I mean you seem to not want to bed your scope base (again if its needed) but I'd bet you'd clean your barrel if you shot 50 rounds through it.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
It's just that it's getting to be one thing after another you know? I never had this problem with my Marlin .22, my Winchester Shotgun or my CZ .22. Never had any problems at all. Now I get this 700 and I've had to buy 3 sets of rings so far, I'm going to need a bore guide, another base, lapping compound and a $400 scope just so that it shoots normal like my other guns. And yes I know .22's don't have the recoil etc. so I can't compare them, but it just feels like I have so many other things I'm doing that I have to work on and shooting is just a hobby. I was under the impression I could buy what I thought was a decent rifle with a great reputation, mount a decent scope on it and have it shoot right. Is Remington really so incompetent that they can't make a level receiver or is this a problem with all manufacturers that I have just never heard of? I don't mean to bitch it's just turning into more of a pain than I thought. I just wanted to have fun shooting you know? As always thanks a lot for the help I appreciate it you guys.
It's just that it's getting to be one thing after another you know? I never had this problem with my Marlin .22, my Winchester Shotgun or my CZ .22. Never had any problems at all. Now I get this 700 and I've had to buy 3 sets of rings so far, I'm going to need a bore guide, another base, lapping compound and a $400 scope just so that it shoots normal like my other guns. And yes I know .22's don't have the recoil etc. so I can't compare them, but it just feels like I have so many other things I'm doing that I have to work on and shooting is just a hobby. I was under the impression I could buy what I thought was a decent rifle with a great reputation, mount a decent scope on it and have it shoot right. Is Remington really so incompetent that they can't make a level receiver or is this a problem with all manufacturers that I have just never heard of? I don't mean to bitch it's just turning into more of a pain than I thought. I just wanted to have fun shooting you know? As always thanks a lot for the help I appreciate it you guys.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
I can't watch this anymore. You bought a decent piece of machinery, you have to stop shopping at Walmart for parts. If I just bought a brand new Shelby stang and wanted to go race it do you think I bought my chip at Autozone. You've gotten lots of good info, spend the time and money and reap the reward or sell your 700. You'll have enough to go to Walmart buy a new .22, scope, mounts, AND bullets. And have all the fun you want shooting.
Sorry this just needed to be said.
I can't watch this anymore. You bought a decent piece of machinery, you have to stop shopping at Walmart for parts. If I just bought a brand new Shelby stang and wanted to go race it do you think I bought my chip at Autozone. You've gotten lots of good info, spend the time and money and reap the reward or sell your 700. You'll have enough to go to Walmart buy a new .22, scope, mounts, AND bullets. And have all the fun you want shooting.
Sorry this just needed to be said.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Canis Latrans: Don’t give up. Go out and get a quality one piece base. Use a good set of rings. Mount the 10X scope on the rifle using the suggestions found here. If there is a lot of misalignment (O.O.S. receiver) you’ll need the assistance of a good gunsmith or even a return to Remington. I don’t think that will be the case, but you never know. Your problem started in using the cheep two piece bases and rings. You’ll up grade to a better scope once you get enough range time and have mastered your rifle. Also, always use the same ammunition (suggested 168 Gold Metal Match). Don’t look for bargains. After you become proficient with your setup and can up grade to a better scope, you should explore hand loads to decrease you group size. Remember, many of the guys on here shoot many thousands of rounds per year. They spend many thousands on their equipment. But, they all started like you. If you make the effort, the results will follow. It’s not easy to become an expert marksman, but it’s possible. Good luck!
And don't clean the barrel excessively.
Canis Latrans: Don’t give up. Go out and get a quality one piece base. Use a good set of rings. Mount the 10X scope on the rifle using the suggestions found here. If there is a lot of misalignment (O.O.S. receiver) you’ll need the assistance of a good gunsmith or even a return to Remington. I don’t think that will be the case, but you never know. Your problem started in using the cheep two piece bases and rings. You’ll up grade to a better scope once you get enough range time and have mastered your rifle. Also, always use the same ammunition (suggested 168 Gold Metal Match). Don’t look for bargains. After you become proficient with your setup and can up grade to a better scope, you should explore hand loads to decrease you group size. Remember, many of the guys on here shoot many thousands of rounds per year. They spend many thousands on their equipment. But, they all started like you. If you make the effort, the results will follow. It’s not easy to become an expert marksman, but it’s possible. Good luck!
And don't clean the barrel excessively.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Lots of folks forego the bedding, and never see a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't there, but the differece has to do wth stress.
If the mating surfaces don't align precisely, torquing them puts stress on the base and can distort it. Most folks don't realize this also puts stress on the receiver.
This is not a hanging offense, and can probably be ignored with impunity. But for best performance, it is better if the receiver and base mate and bond together stress free than if they are constantly trying each to distort the other.
It adds issues to the harmonics. When they mate together, harmonics will generally be less complex and more consistent. This can simplify load development quite a bit, by making results a lot more obvious/less ambiguous. When load development is perplexing, start looking for issues like this one.
Glassbedding the two eliminates any mechanical misalignments.
This is all optional. But when you're trying to track down problems, such complexities do not help.
Where the M700 is concerned, I won't thow stones, but Remington QC has been called questionable from time to time, and scope mounting issues are a significant part of general complaints. While I don't believe any maker is free from QC issues, Savage owners seem to complain less and compliment their implements more. I have rifles from all the major makers and I like all of mine.
'...your mileage may vary..."
Greg
Lots of folks forego the bedding, and never see a problem. Doesn't mean it isn't there, but the differece has to do wth stress.
If the mating surfaces don't align precisely, torquing them puts stress on the base and can distort it. Most folks don't realize this also puts stress on the receiver.
This is not a hanging offense, and can probably be ignored with impunity. But for best performance, it is better if the receiver and base mate and bond together stress free than if they are constantly trying each to distort the other.
It adds issues to the harmonics. When they mate together, harmonics will generally be less complex and more consistent. This can simplify load development quite a bit, by making results a lot more obvious/less ambiguous. When load development is perplexing, start looking for issues like this one.
Glassbedding the two eliminates any mechanical misalignments.
This is all optional. But when you're trying to track down problems, such complexities do not help.
Where the M700 is concerned, I won't thow stones, but Remington QC has been called questionable from time to time, and scope mounting issues are a significant part of general complaints. While I don't believe any maker is free from QC issues, Savage owners seem to complain less and compliment their implements more. I have rifles from all the major makers and I like all of mine.
'...your mileage may vary..."
Greg
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
"I can't watch this anymore. You bought a decent piece of machinery, you have to stop shopping at Walmart for parts. If I just bought a brand new Shelby stang and wanted to go race it do you think I bought my chip at Autozone. You've gotten lots of good info, spend the time and money and reap the reward or sell your 700. You'll have enough to go to Walmart buy a new .22, scope, mounts, AND bullets. And have all the fun you want shooting.
Sorry this just needed to be said."
Yeah, thats fine if it turns out that it was the base that was misaligned, not the receiver. If it's the receiver, using your analogy, it would be more like if you bought your Shelby and found out that the wheels were rubbing on the axle and you have to either fix it or pay a mechanic to fix it to make it drive right. Who the hell cares where you buy your parts lol? But the analogy is still poor because I didn't buy a Shelby, I just bought a decent car like an F-150. I don't expect perfect performance I expected decent performance, in other words that i could mount a scope to it without needing to have it bedded. I knew someone would post something like this telling me to either pay a bunch more money or sell my gun, and I understand your point of view.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gutowsky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Canis Latrans: Don’t give up. Go out and get a quality one piece base. Use a good set of rings. Mount the 10X scope on the rifle using the suggestions found here. If there is a lot of misalignment (O.O.S. receiver) you’ll need the assistance of a good gunsmith or even a return to Remington. I don’t think that will be the case, but you never know. Your problem started in using the cheep two piece bases and rings. You’ll up grade to a better scope once you get enough range time and have mastered your rifle. Also, always use the same ammunition (suggested 168 Gold Metal Match). Don’t look for bargains. After you become proficient with your setup and can up grade to a better scope, you should explore hand loads to decrease you group size. Remember, many of the guys on here shoot many thousands of rounds per year. They spend many thousands on their equipment. But, they all started like you. If you make the effort, the results will follow. It’s not easy to become an expert marksman, but it’s possible. Good luck!
And don't clean the barrel excessively. </div></div>
Thanks a lot, that's what I hope to do. I'll get my bases after I've paid for the other things I need to pay for. Cleaning is another issue, it's impossible for me to tell who is right as lots of experienced shooters swear by one way or the other.
"I can't watch this anymore. You bought a decent piece of machinery, you have to stop shopping at Walmart for parts. If I just bought a brand new Shelby stang and wanted to go race it do you think I bought my chip at Autozone. You've gotten lots of good info, spend the time and money and reap the reward or sell your 700. You'll have enough to go to Walmart buy a new .22, scope, mounts, AND bullets. And have all the fun you want shooting.
Sorry this just needed to be said."
Yeah, thats fine if it turns out that it was the base that was misaligned, not the receiver. If it's the receiver, using your analogy, it would be more like if you bought your Shelby and found out that the wheels were rubbing on the axle and you have to either fix it or pay a mechanic to fix it to make it drive right. Who the hell cares where you buy your parts lol? But the analogy is still poor because I didn't buy a Shelby, I just bought a decent car like an F-150. I don't expect perfect performance I expected decent performance, in other words that i could mount a scope to it without needing to have it bedded. I knew someone would post something like this telling me to either pay a bunch more money or sell my gun, and I understand your point of view.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Gutowsky</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Canis Latrans: Don’t give up. Go out and get a quality one piece base. Use a good set of rings. Mount the 10X scope on the rifle using the suggestions found here. If there is a lot of misalignment (O.O.S. receiver) you’ll need the assistance of a good gunsmith or even a return to Remington. I don’t think that will be the case, but you never know. Your problem started in using the cheep two piece bases and rings. You’ll up grade to a better scope once you get enough range time and have mastered your rifle. Also, always use the same ammunition (suggested 168 Gold Metal Match). Don’t look for bargains. After you become proficient with your setup and can up grade to a better scope, you should explore hand loads to decrease you group size. Remember, many of the guys on here shoot many thousands of rounds per year. They spend many thousands on their equipment. But, they all started like you. If you make the effort, the results will follow. It’s not easy to become an expert marksman, but it’s possible. Good luck!
And don't clean the barrel excessively. </div></div>
Thanks a lot, that's what I hope to do. I'll get my bases after I've paid for the other things I need to pay for. Cleaning is another issue, it's impossible for me to tell who is right as lots of experienced shooters swear by one way or the other.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Read Greg's post above and understand it. If you get the EGW base and it doesn't need bedding, then fine. If it needs bedding, then do it or have a smith do it. When I put a Badger Ordnance base on my MLR a couple years ago, there was about 3 to 4 thousands of an inch mis-alignment. I choose not to bed it and it hasn't hurt anything. When I send it to GAP for re-barreling, I'll get it bedded or bonded on then. As to excessive cleaning, you can damage the rifle with excessive or incorrect cleaning.
Read Greg's post above and understand it. If you get the EGW base and it doesn't need bedding, then fine. If it needs bedding, then do it or have a smith do it. When I put a Badger Ordnance base on my MLR a couple years ago, there was about 3 to 4 thousands of an inch mis-alignment. I choose not to bed it and it hasn't hurt anything. When I send it to GAP for re-barreling, I'll get it bedded or bonded on then. As to excessive cleaning, you can damage the rifle with excessive or incorrect cleaning.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
I'm not trying to be a dick. My first high powered rifle (2 yrs ago for hunting with a buddy) was a 1926 91/30 mosin nagant ($125) w/ iron sights. Then I bought 2 cases of surplus ammo $300 for 2400 rounds (12 cents a round) 1800 rounds later I'm not a bad shot. I finally decided it was time for a real gun and bought a 5R milspec in 300wm (wanted something big enough for elk here). It's been sitting in its new box for 3months now while I buy glass and mounts. FINALLY on their way. hope to be proficient by hunting season.
Your not that far from having what you want. Send your scope off for warranty($20 shipping) while that's out bed your 1piece mount devcon is like $20 a tube and the shoe polish is like $4 and a few Q-tips. do a search on the site for bedding your rail there's a good write up on it. And your in business.
Buy a 1/4" drive inche lb. torque wrench from harbor freight (not great, but effective $15)and a good cleaning rod from (your big hunting or gun shop) $20-30.
People on here aren't asking you to spend huge amounts of money or perform miracles. There's just a few steps in the process to recieve the best results.
And read,read,read.
I'm not trying to be a dick. My first high powered rifle (2 yrs ago for hunting with a buddy) was a 1926 91/30 mosin nagant ($125) w/ iron sights. Then I bought 2 cases of surplus ammo $300 for 2400 rounds (12 cents a round) 1800 rounds later I'm not a bad shot. I finally decided it was time for a real gun and bought a 5R milspec in 300wm (wanted something big enough for elk here). It's been sitting in its new box for 3months now while I buy glass and mounts. FINALLY on their way. hope to be proficient by hunting season.
Your not that far from having what you want. Send your scope off for warranty($20 shipping) while that's out bed your 1piece mount devcon is like $20 a tube and the shoe polish is like $4 and a few Q-tips. do a search on the site for bedding your rail there's a good write up on it. And your in business.
Buy a 1/4" drive inche lb. torque wrench from harbor freight (not great, but effective $15)and a good cleaning rod from (your big hunting or gun shop) $20-30.
People on here aren't asking you to spend huge amounts of money or perform miracles. There's just a few steps in the process to recieve the best results.
And read,read,read.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
I may not have much to offer this site in knowledge, but I take something from it every day.
Thanks to all.
I may not have much to offer this site in knowledge, but I take something from it every day.
Thanks to all.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
Get some sweets 7.62 solvent and clean the bore .
Remove the stock and check for garbage in the bedding. Oil buildup in the bedding can effect accuracy if it's not pillared or blocked that is .
Refit the stock and tighten up the screws. Fit a new scope as I agree that the scope sounds suspect.
Scopes can be every intermittant in their loss of zero. Working one minuet and gone the next.
The scope is the first thing I check not the last.
Having a spare scope that you know is ok can save you lots of grief and expense.
Get some sweets 7.62 solvent and clean the bore .
Remove the stock and check for garbage in the bedding. Oil buildup in the bedding can effect accuracy if it's not pillared or blocked that is .
Refit the stock and tighten up the screws. Fit a new scope as I agree that the scope sounds suspect.
Scopes can be every intermittant in their loss of zero. Working one minuet and gone the next.
The scope is the first thing I check not the last.
Having a spare scope that you know is ok can save you lots of grief and expense.
Re: R700 sudden loss in accuracy
It doesn't have to cost all that much to have that spare scope handy at the ready.
The Tasco VAR624X42M is a 1" 6-24 Mildot scope with covered 1/4MOA target knobs and retails for around $80. It's not a premium scope, but it's not bad either.
You can put one on your .22LR trainer where you can get good usage, and also keep track of whether it's 'off' or not. In a pinch, it can become what us old I/T service guys used to call a 'hot spare'.
I am assuming you have a .22LR trainer. Many of us consider them a basic requirement for good marksmanship sustainment.
I can appreciate your angst at discovering that the issues surrounding precision accuracy can blindside you. While resolving such issues is what keeps the custom builders in business, it is imporant you recognize that there is a middle ground.
Helping folks recognize this and take advantage is a lot of what keeps a many of us here at this site; reiterating basic info for the umptillianth time. We've been where you are and honestly believe that unless we pass on our lessons, they are wasted on us. We will do our best to offer alternative approaches that can help make solutions somewhat smaller in stature than having to completely reinvent the wheel. Be patient and of good cheer. Our experience on these dimly lit roadways can help you avoid the boulders and pitfalls, and come to a successful conclusion with a minimal expenditure of treasure, pain, and delay. At least we try.
Greg
It doesn't have to cost all that much to have that spare scope handy at the ready.
The Tasco VAR624X42M is a 1" 6-24 Mildot scope with covered 1/4MOA target knobs and retails for around $80. It's not a premium scope, but it's not bad either.
You can put one on your .22LR trainer where you can get good usage, and also keep track of whether it's 'off' or not. In a pinch, it can become what us old I/T service guys used to call a 'hot spare'.
I am assuming you have a .22LR trainer. Many of us consider them a basic requirement for good marksmanship sustainment.
I can appreciate your angst at discovering that the issues surrounding precision accuracy can blindside you. While resolving such issues is what keeps the custom builders in business, it is imporant you recognize that there is a middle ground.
Helping folks recognize this and take advantage is a lot of what keeps a many of us here at this site; reiterating basic info for the umptillianth time. We've been where you are and honestly believe that unless we pass on our lessons, they are wasted on us. We will do our best to offer alternative approaches that can help make solutions somewhat smaller in stature than having to completely reinvent the wheel. Be patient and of good cheer. Our experience on these dimly lit roadways can help you avoid the boulders and pitfalls, and come to a successful conclusion with a minimal expenditure of treasure, pain, and delay. At least we try.
Greg
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Regarding that MOA that most out of the box rifles shoot...... most don't.
I take groups of guys shooting frequently, both for work and play. Of the maybe fifty rifles that I have witnessed, all but a handfull needed something fixed to realize their full potential. One particular large gun store chain in Houston is well known amoung our group for it's skill, or more accurately, lack thereof, in optics mounting.
Things that you have already worked thru, wrong mounts, loose mounts, loose bases, base screws too long ( can't close bolt ), WRONG screws, reticle not plumb to reciever, eye relief wrong. All that is in addition to the beating a big bore ( hey, it's Texas, everyone KNOWS you need a big magnum to shoot more than 100 yards) rifle puts on a scope. The names of the broken scopes have not been forgotton. Sooner or later, just about all of them will need repair, but putting 3-400 rounds thru a rifle in a 3-4 day period, tends to bring those things to light quicker.
It is very rare, VERY rare, for any new guy ( or gal, their have been a couple of those ) to show up with a new piece, and have it perform flawlessly for the duration. Most of the issues have been with optics, or the mounts for them. Only occasionally is the rifle itself at fault.
But then, most of the "rifles that shoot MOA" out of the box, don't get 100 rounds in a four year period, much less one day. And most aren't really shooting one MOA either. I love sticking a shoot-n-see up on the target board at the ranch house, exactly 100 yards from the bench. " OK, then you wouldn't mind shooting five at this then?" Before we go out to hunt etc.... most are nowhere close.
There is a reason I keep a gunsmithing toolbox handy!
Seems as if you have learned a bunch yourself getting your new 700 to shoot. If you stay with it, you'll find the learning is a neverending process.
Regarding that MOA that most out of the box rifles shoot...... most don't.
I take groups of guys shooting frequently, both for work and play. Of the maybe fifty rifles that I have witnessed, all but a handfull needed something fixed to realize their full potential. One particular large gun store chain in Houston is well known amoung our group for it's skill, or more accurately, lack thereof, in optics mounting.
Things that you have already worked thru, wrong mounts, loose mounts, loose bases, base screws too long ( can't close bolt ), WRONG screws, reticle not plumb to reciever, eye relief wrong. All that is in addition to the beating a big bore ( hey, it's Texas, everyone KNOWS you need a big magnum to shoot more than 100 yards) rifle puts on a scope. The names of the broken scopes have not been forgotton. Sooner or later, just about all of them will need repair, but putting 3-400 rounds thru a rifle in a 3-4 day period, tends to bring those things to light quicker.
It is very rare, VERY rare, for any new guy ( or gal, their have been a couple of those ) to show up with a new piece, and have it perform flawlessly for the duration. Most of the issues have been with optics, or the mounts for them. Only occasionally is the rifle itself at fault.
But then, most of the "rifles that shoot MOA" out of the box, don't get 100 rounds in a four year period, much less one day. And most aren't really shooting one MOA either. I love sticking a shoot-n-see up on the target board at the ranch house, exactly 100 yards from the bench. " OK, then you wouldn't mind shooting five at this then?" Before we go out to hunt etc.... most are nowhere close.
There is a reason I keep a gunsmithing toolbox handy!
Seems as if you have learned a bunch yourself getting your new 700 to shoot. If you stay with it, you'll find the learning is a neverending process.
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