The last actual war America fought was WWII. That was also the last time the American public and politicians actually wanted to win any variety of any conflict.
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America was still in its ascendancy at that time and chime in if I'm wrong America's descendancy began in the 60's .
Actually I can do a functional 80 with a hand drill. Lathe would give me a lot more options including rifling and chambering some barrels ifn I had to.
Please cite your source for this. I truly don't believe 70% of Leo's would fire on citizens if directed to do so. A large portion of Leo's are former military.
I am looking for it. Thought it was about a year or so after 9/11. Time flies, can't believe that is going to be 18 years next month.
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Ask Nidal Hasan how well that worked for him.
Picture this...
Something you know well.
Me, Ronald, Frankie, and you are stationed on the same base. (Pretend you dont know me, Frankie, n Ronald or what they can unleash.).
So you follow the pattern and f with Ronalds daughter n wife. Ronald calls Frankie and me, and we figure out who you are and take you for a ride. Makes for a pretty picture, doesnt it. Nadal Hasan paralyzed in prison 'might' be happier, maybe, just maybe.
Be almost as good as Hayzoos coming to your place and messing with your grandson, wouldn't it ?
That scenario has real possibilities, but a lot of people making comments have zero clue.
There is a very ugly reality walking among us daily, but nobody sees.
Brother against brother, father against sons, sons against father, families against each other. People once thought friends... it's been here once btw 1860 and 1870, and two generations of survivors raised their offspring to hate hard, no quarter asked, none given. William Anderson, or a Quantril, reborn could be living next door, and been raised by Mattis graduates.
That is a real picture.
William Anderson, Quantril, an aberration, or a reality lurking? Doesnt take a prophet to see their types walk among us every day. Three went hot kinda recent.
And, people who know history are 'surprised' ? and express disbelief that that could happen today ...
And after the 'todays' Andersons and Quantrils get loose, there is a very real possibility a Sherman will come leave his monuments that stand a hundred years like last time.
Who you gonna be, Anderson, Quantril, or W.T... ?
History is full of examples Stevie and Ray see and understand well.
ymmv vr...
In every operation there are pitfalls, but moving the ball one yard at at time is the winning play. No one gets out alive or whole.
The Constitution was written so it could be understood by an 18th century farmer. The fact that so many of our "elites" can't seem to get it tells me they are not as "elite" as one might suspect, or they are evil and power-mad.
I think the latter is more accurate
They know EXACTLY what the 2A is for. It's in the way of their authoritarian socialist/commie utopia.
Seriously? This isn't cannon to cannon, musket to musket, sword to sword.
Please demonstrate how American's can stand up to an advanced National Guard. And please, dont even begin to say that they will overrun the military armories. Not with AR 15s. That is delusional.
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I simply cannot resist getting into this discussion. The good ole USA has a problem and it is huge. You see at any given time there is only 3 days supply of groceries in your local supermarket. They run on just in time inventory. Below is a map of the truck traffic in the USA.
The people who want the guns live in the cities. If truck traffic stops guess what happens.
There is a rush to the supermarkets to get food. The shelves will empty and fights begin. The haves start getting robbed by the have nots who probably have illeagle guns. Any Loyalist troops/cops will have to be pulled into the cities to maintain order. So much for your "Advanced national guard".
As the food disapears so does the will to fight. Now the first argument you hear is; they will form convoys. And the answer is from where to where? What cities are the "convoys" going to pass through with out the fine inhabitants of the city demanding their share. Next they will argue that they will use air power. Good luck hitting a sniper along all those miles of roads.
Right after Truck traffic stops next electricity cut, Water cut. Game Over!
The liberals in power know damn well you cannot confiscate guns, they have a long term strategy and quite frankly its working. They plan to let the will to own a gun die out. How may of your kids or the kids you know are really gun people? The libs are doing everything in their power to convince the children of today that guns are bad.
All that being said Liberals are know for jumping the gun thinking they have already won.
Please demonstrate how American's can stand up to an advanced National Guard. And please, dont even begin to say that they will overrun the military armories. Not with AR 15s. That is delusional.
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I simply cannot resist getting into this discussion. The good ole USA has a problem and it is huge. You see at any given time there is only 3 days supply of groceries in your local supermarket. They run on just in time inventory. Below is a map of the truck traffic in the USA.
The people who want the guns live in the cities. If truck traffic stops guess what happens.
There is a rush to the supermarkets to get food. The shelves will empty and fights begin. The haves start getting robbed by the have nots who probably have illeagle guns. Any Loyalist troops/cops will have to be pulled into the cities to maintain order. So much for your "Advanced national guard".
As the food disapears so does the will to fight. Now the first argument you hear is; they will form convoys. And the answer is from where to where? What cities are the "convoys" going to pass through with out the fine inhabitants of the city demanding their share. Next they will argue that they will use air power. Good luck hitting a sniper along all those miles of roads.
Right after Truck traffic stops next electricity cut, Water cut. Game Over!
The liberals in power know damn well you cannot confiscate guns, they have a long term strategy and quite frankly its working. They plan to let the will to own a gun die out. How may of your kids or the kids you know are really gun people? The libs are doing everything in their power to convince the children of today that guns are bad.
All that being said Liberals are know for jumping the gun thinking they have already won.
As someone who has worked on the road in the trucking and construction industry for quite a while, and who knows plenty of others in the energy, utilities, and water/infrastructure maintenance, I can attest to just how deep the urban globalists and gun grabbers have got their balls in a hydraulic vice lined with razor sharp blades. And newsflash: Most of the guys who work in the abovementioned fields happen to be freedom loving and God fearing roughnecks with very high rate of gun ownership and full dedication to preserving the RKBA. If we collectively wanted to fuck the statists up, the scale of damage and chaos that it will cause will make it an act of atrocity. And all we have to do is simply not do our jobs or flip a few key switches that supply the juice and shut the plants down. I bet the Democratic Socialist fuckers who got triggered merely by the noise of an audience clapping have never experienced the coldest and most primal of nights where the temperature is low enough to cause tree trunks to explosively expand, the entire local star systems visible in the sky and any part of your body that is not covered to freeze within minutes.
Civilization is merely 110 volts away from chaos.
99% bullshit
sounds right
The majority of married military personnel live off post. And a good deal of the single ones too.
Outside of a few minor TDY assignments, I didn't live a single day of my six year active duty in military housing.
Do you have at least a vertical mill already? Or are you going to try to finish your paperweights on a lathe?
Most useful operation for a Lathe on making a AR lower is to attach a 0% to a piece of square stock in a 4 Jaw chuck to bore and single point thread the buffer tube threads.
An 80% could be made with a palmgren style milling crosslide vise but the Pain in the Ass factor is high and the setups not worth it. Fund a junk chicom ,barely better than a drill press round column mill (or better yet a clapped out tired Bridgeport) if you want to finish a "pile" of 80's....
For another perspective, that was half a world away.
I hope we never have to find out but it doesnt look good.
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Just a few quotes from some of our founding fathers to show how a citizen at the time the second amendment was passed would have reasonably understood the meaning of it:
""Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined…” – George Washington
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” and “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson
“To disarm the people…s the most effectual way to enslave them.” and “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” – Noah Webster
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Richard Henry Lee
“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” -Patrick Henry
“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker
Just a few quotes from some of our founding fathers to show how a citizen at the time the second amendment was passed would have reasonably understood the meaning of it:
""Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Ben Franklin
"A free people ought not only to be armed, but disciplined…” – George Washington
"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.” and “I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery.” – Thomas Jefferson
“To disarm the people…s the most effectual way to enslave them.” and “I ask who are the militia? They consist now of the whole people, except a few public officers.” – George Mason
“Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops.” – Noah Webster
“Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.” – William Pitt
“A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves…and include, according to the past and general usuage of the states, all men capable of bearing arms… “To preserve liberty, it is essential that the whole body of the people always possess arms, and be taught alike, especially when young, how to use them.” – Richard Henry Lee
“Are we at last brought to such humiliating and debasing degradation that we cannot be trusted with arms for our defense? Where is the difference between having our arms in possession and under our direction, and having them under the management of Congress? If our defense be the real object of having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted with more propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hands?” -Patrick Henry
“This may be considered as the true palladium of liberty…. The right of self defense is the first law of nature: in most governments it has been the study of rulers to confine this right within the narrowest limits possible. Wherever standing armies are kept up, and the right of the people to keep and bear arms is, under any color or pretext whatsoever, prohibited, liberty, if not already annihilated, is on the brink of destruction.” – St. George Tucker
This all boils down to one idea. If we have weapons, we CAN fight back. Remove firearms and what is to stop a group from rounding up those who disagree with them? Wasn't that what happened in Europe? In China? In so many examples in history it's ridiculous...
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