I'd say to go with GAP, LMT, JP, and POF. In that order. Personal opinion.
And no, don't even consider an RRA. Not even close to being reliable enough.
If they don't know what kind of equipment they should be running, then they don't need to run that type of equipment.
Just what we need, more under-trained and undereducated LEO's with more firepower and no idea how to employ it. Sounds like a winner to me.
So like I said, if some retard with a badge has to come to an Internet forum to decide what kind of duty weapon he should be using, then he has ZERO business making such decisions for himself, herself or anyone else.
You think this beacuse (because) you are short sighting (sighted) and ignorant.
Who selects the weapons that your "force recon scout snipers" use? Think about that and then get back to me.
The origional (original) AR in 7.62 is not even close to the same as our current SR-25 pattern guns, and who says its accurate and reliable? You mean durring (during) unscientific, unspecific testing that was done. It was so reliable that the barrel exploded durring (during) testing and they outright removed it from consideration due to it needing drastic engineering and manufacturing revisions before it could even be tested........................
Furthermore, No one in the right mind would be reccomending (recommending) these type of rifle to LE, unless they have a SPECIFIC NEED & TRAINING, and UNDERSTANDING of why they would choose this. There is virtualy (virtually) zero advantage over a (an) M4 for carbine/rifle duties and as a primary sniper/marksman rifle, it is also a poor choice. It MAY be a decent option for a spotter's weapon/backup to the primary bolt. Considering the types of engagements that LE will get into, and the lack of training (especialy [especially] running semi-precision rigs) it is a flat out horrible idea to run one as a primary gun.
Putting an arbitary (arbitrary) price limit like $3500 just shows, there is zero need for this equipment, just some retard with a badge who wants to buy something cool.
The fact you would even reccomend (recommend) some shit garbage commercial brand like RRA beacuse (because) "dur muy brova haz one and its shootz da tiney holez wit handloads" as justification for an agency/duty purchase removes all your legitemacy (legitimacy) from speaking on this topic.
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Why put in all the blood sweat and tears of being a warfighter when you can just buy queer gear with taxpayer dollars and get tac'ed up for a coffee run to Dunkin Donuts or a DUI checkpoint.
Cobra, I'll only say this once, and you can come back to it repeatedly: you're acting like an unmitigated ass. There's a lot more I could say, but that'd just be my personal opinion of your merits as a person and the value of your contribution to society lately, so we can skip that. Your attitude needs serious improvement. Every thread I've read lately I see your negativity. Suck it up and get over it. If you're having a bad day, get off the computer, get outside and shoot.
Now I'll give you an answer to your question. I know you don't really want one, and you're just ranting because you're pissed. But you asked the damn question, so I'm going to answer it.
You did ask a valid question. Why is someone asking what equipment to get on an internet forum? Maybe, just MAYBE, it is because this forum, apart from a few Grade-A asshole members, is known as a place where many very experienced, very skilled shooters hang out, and frequently give generously of their knowledge to those who haven't had the ability to try out as much gear. (Isn't there also a very nice sticky-ed thread about attacking the OP for a "stupid" question?)
You made several large assumptions. You assumed that because the OP asked for advice, that he in particular is, and LEOs in general are, "undertrained and undereducated", and will have no idea what to do with the firearm they're looking at purchasing. This is absurd. Most military members are less educated than the average LEO. They're armed with far more powerful weaponry than a semi-automatic .30 caliber rifle. They seem to do well with it, without killing their colleagues or bystanders frequently. Maybe we should confiscate all those guns that "undereducated and undertrained" civilians have, too...
Don't fall into the trap of assuming that because you have had some military experience or training (if you have), that your shit don't stink. You didn't know everything, you had to be trained, and you still don't know everything. Most LEOs are willing to admit that they don't know everything, and ask for advice or help when they don't have an answer. The ones that won't admit that are the biggest problems. You apparently know next to nothing about law enforcement policies, procedures, training, and needs, and still think that you know something that the OP doesn't.
You seem to have a problem with the general concept of an LE agency using a semi-automatic precision rifle. You allege that there's virtually no advantage that a 7.62x51 rifle provides over a 5.56x45 carbine. I'll refer you to my sig, quoting Buckley. Check the ballistics and you'll rapidly realize there is a large advantage there. You may not understand it, but there is an increasing risk that LE will have to deal with doped-up, armed, and belligerent criminals. Even a small-caliber rifle takes time to put them down. You allege that LE shouldn't use a semi-auto rifle as a primary marksman's rifle because of "the types of engagements that LE will get into, and the lack of training." What do you know about the types of engagements or lack of training that LE encounters? Are you familiar with the OP's agency, their training, and their needs? Are you aware of that area's typical SWAT callout, and projected worst-case scenarios? (Assuming that the OP is really LE, which neither of us know for certain.)
Since when does it fall to you to determine what is or is not acceptable for an agency, with which you have nothing to do, to employ? Cobra, you further allege that, "Putting an arbitary (arbitrary) price limit like $3500 just shows, there is zero need for this equipment, just some retard with a badge who wants to buy something cool." Actually, it probably indicates that someone would rather buy stickers and new computers and desk chairs for the Chief and administrator's offices than buy new equipment for any of the "retard" cops that actually work for them. If you had any personal experience in LE you'd probably know that you'll never have all the gear you NEED, let alone all the gear you want, because you're the lowest priority in a budget that also feeds social programs, low-budget housing, and the pet projects of all the local politicians. Squeaky wheels get the grease, except if you squeak as LE; then you get the boot instead, and a more politically pliable chief gets appointed.
What people should really be worried about is the militarization of our domestic police forces. There is a reason why police are committing acts of violence on the American people. They are being taught they are in a war zone and their enemy is the American people. DHS (America's SS) bribes them with military hardware. It is all part of the plan to create an US and THEM mentality.
You should be afraid. Things have changed.
US police departments are increasingly militarised, finds report | Law | theguardian.com US police departments are increasingly militarized, finds report.
The American people are the enemy.
Dave, among the American people are school shooters, hardline Islamic extremists, gang members, murderers, rapists, and thieves. They ARE the enemy. If you're not aware of that, pay attention to the world around you. Assuming that because most Americans are stand-up, flag-waving, apple-pie good citizens, that ALL Americans are, is a really good way to get killed in any inner-city neighborhood. That would be incredibly naive. You need to realize that there is a heavily armed and violent sector of society with no respect for you, your property, the laws you follow, and the people that enforce those laws. They'd happily kill you for your shoes.
Police aren't committing "acts of violence on the American people" in any statistically significant number. If you were around in the 60's-80's you should have panicked then. The police were better armed and more violent then than they are now. They had M16 and Garand rifles and Thompson M1 submachine guns. Don't buy the "Mayberry" and "Good old days" hype. Many a citizen got his teeth knocked out for attitude. That rarely happens anymore thanks to better control and documentation. The days of the "good old boys club" covering up their own shenanigans are long gone. You, too, should get off the computer. The black helicopters are not coming for you. Stay off "infowars," ignore Alex Jones, and don't cite The Guardian citing the ACLU (!?) about violence, police, and guns.
Also, see below.
Why put all that blood sweat and tears into being a pog get all "tac'ed" up for a Internet forum fight or to show off a your badass cab on the internet. Sit down shut up and stop wasting this guy's time with your pointless rants and LE hating.
Well said. Ha.
