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Reloaders please read & heed

ranger1183

ranger1183

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i absolutely agree

but, the kaboom didnt look that bad , injury wise... could be worse,the action is not really salvageable though, ha , trigger looks good though right ?

quote from link

“It was a combination of rifle and pistol powder. The rest of the batch was pulled and there were apparently 3-4 other rounds with mixed loads.” It has been reported that these were commercial .223 Rem reloads."

commercial reloads ? wtf is that ? he bought reloads ?

or did he make them ? if someone choose to do that , IDIOT

 
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Duplex 223? Not a need for speed but for clorox in the gene pool.

Cant believe a legit commercial reloader did that. But these days it just takes a website to be an expert.
 
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I wonder if someone didn't switch calibers on a dillon, and either forget to really clean out the powder measure or didn't care enough to. Either way, it's a great reason to not buy reloads. 50,000+ pounds per square inch is no joke.
 
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going to step in since I know the shooter, know the firearm, and inspected it within a couple hours of the incident.

It was commercially reloaded ammo from a company with a good reputation. when the ammo was returned to them, and they started randomly taking it apart and checking it.....they found other rounds that also had PISTOL powder in it. evidently an employee either grabbed the wrong powder or failed to clean the machine out before switching to the rifle loads.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertfox01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was commercially reloaded ammo from a company with a good reputation. when the ammo was returned to them, and they started randomly taking it apart and checking it.....they found other rounds that also had PISTOL powder in it. evidently an employee either grabbed the wrong powder or failed to clean the machine out before switching to the rifle loads. </div></div>

So,
1) Have they stepped up and replaced this guys rifle?
2) Have they recalled all ammunition that may be affeced by the employees failiure?
3) Have they changed protocols to insure this never happens again?
I can tell you don't want to name the source but damn this could have been very serious. I own a business and know that monitoring employees is tough I hope they will improve.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woodspider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK note to self dont fk around with mixing powders. Who does that anyway? </div></div>

Apparently some of the best and brightest, here, don't seem to have a problem with it.......

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2471254&page=1
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Apparently some of the best and brightest, here, don't seem to have a problem with it.......

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2471254&page=1 </div></div>

I'm a bit flabbergasted by this thread. Is $150 for an 8 lb jug of powder really worth the risk? Wow...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Longshotbml</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertfox01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It was commercially reloaded ammo from a company with a good reputation. when the ammo was returned to them, and they started randomly taking it apart and checking it.....they found other rounds that also had PISTOL powder in it. evidently an employee either grabbed the wrong powder or failed to clean the machine out before switching to the rifle loads. </div></div>

So,
1) Have they stepped up and replaced this guys rifle?
2) Have they recalled all ammunition that may be affeced by the employees failiure?
3) Have they changed protocols to insure this never happens again?
I can tell you don't want to name the source but damn this could have been very serious. I own a business and know that monitoring employees is tough I hope they will improve.
</div></div>
1:)yes, they worked with the owner of the rifle. and made good.
2:) I would think so, but do not know for sure. I'll see if I can find out.
3:) I have know idea. but that employee no longer works at the company. I do know that.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertfox01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">


1:) yes, they worked with the owner of the rifle. and made good.
2:) I would think so, but do not know for sure. I'll see if I can find out.
3:) I have no idea. but that employee no longer works at the company. I do know that. </div></div>

That is good to know, hopefully they will implement some additional QC checks to insure this doesn't happen again with a different employee.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: SagebrushShooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Apparently some of the best and brightest, here, don't seem to have a problem with it.......

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2471254&page=1 </div></div>

I'm a bit flabbergasted by this thread. Is $150 for an 8 lb jug of powder really worth the risk? Wow... </div></div>

Any info on the ratio of rifle powder to pistol powder in the round that kaboomed?

Because the "mix" up here, http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2471254&page=1 was basically 8 pounds of H4895 with a sprinkle of Varget. You'd think that the rifle + rifle mix wouldn't be that bad.
 
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If this "company" loaded a whole batch of bad ammo, I would think that this "company" would issue a recall immediately. How else would they know that they got all the bad rounds back? Has anyone else heard of a recall lately? I smell a rat in this story...
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tripwire</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: woodspider</div><div class="ubbcode-body">OK note to self dont fk around with mixing powders. Who does that anyway? </div></div>

Apparently some of the best and brightest, here, don't seem to have a problem with it.......

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2471254&page=1 </div></div>

Nevertheless, it's still a dumb idea.
 
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Everything is dangerous if you can't think.

Nothing is dangerous if you can see the future.

We are all somewhere on the line between the two, but we are not all at the same spot.

So what is dangerous for one person may not be for another.

What does it all mean?
Some people are smart and some are dumb.
 
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If this is truly "commercial ammo" then I hate to say it, but as a PUBLIC SERVICE, we need to know the company that produced this ammo.
I have seen no widely advertised recalls of 223/556 rounds, and if this is a "well known" producer, then I would hope they would announce specific lot numbers etc to look for.

Maybe I have missed an announcement out there somewhere,and if I have please excuse me and direct me to the announcement.
Otherwise, it seems they are not being responsible in keeping this incident quiet and possible dangerous lots of ammunition in the public domain.

Once again, this is only if these are not personal reloads. It seems everything surrounding this story is second hand information, but if It really is commercial ammo, then the company needs to be known for safety reasons.


madd0c
 
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The company that made these is a small reloading company. Majority of it's sales are in this state. This batch was not a large one and it was all accounted for and gotten back from those that had bought it.

They are not anywhere near the size of a Miwall, Midway or Blackhills. They run 2 or 3 1050s and most of there reloading is somewhat customized for there customers.

Why put out a recall on the whole internet when they know who bought this ammo and got it back.
 
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That's why I make my own. I never sell them. I generally don't let other people shoot them either. If you want to shoot my guns you can shoot new factory ammo through them.

At least the guy got his gun replaced.
 
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I just wanted to be clear that this <span style="font-weight: bold">was not</span> anything from our company.

I am glad that the shooter was not injured. I can sympathize with the other loading company, it is very hard to find employees capable of safely producing ammunition. However, there is no substitute for following correct and detailed safety procedures.

Again this was <span style="font-weight: bold">NOT</span> Southwest Ammunition.

Thanks,

Mike
 
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How many powders are on the market? People that mix their own are nuts. You think you know better than the manufacturer? If it was better mixed I'm sure they would have manufactured and marketed it that way.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Clark</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Everything is dangerous if you can't think.

Nothing is dangerous if you can see the future.

We are all somewhere on the line between the two, but we are not all at the same spot.

So what is dangerous for one person may not be for another.

What does it all mean?
Some people are smart and some are dumb.</div></div>

^this^
 
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