Gunsmithing Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

[MG-70]

I've searched, and haven't found. I found a bunch of other info., but couldn't get the search function to narrow it down to a couple of words (not in title and/or body)...

I'm trying to adjust the trigger weight on my Remington 700 SPS Tactical .308 and have some questions.

1. What is the correct model of the trigger pictured below? Is it X-Mark Pro? Seems that between 2007 and 2009, Remington had no less than three standard triggers (and all had similar names)

2. To lighten the trigger weight, do I need to turn the UPPER or LOWER front screw counter-clockwise?

3. Lastly, for those who have experience with the pictured trigger and the older 40X trigger, would you say it's worth buying an older, used, 40X trigger and should they all mate with the current 700 action, or is there something I should look for, in terms of compatibility? I know "worth" is subjective, but I think I can pick one up for about $40, and instead of trying to adjust the current trigger, simply replace it with the 40X trigger and mess with it, and not void the warranty, in case I ever need to send the gun back to Remington (still have another year of warranty).

Thanks for any and all helpful feedback!
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[257speed]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

I think the general consensus and certainly my experience, has been that if you can replace it with an old 700 trigger-good, a 40x-better, an aftermarket (too many to list)-best

I have adjusted the x-marks but I sure dont like them. But thats just me.

 

[SDWhirlwind]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

If you can buy a 'guaranteed' for real 40-X trigger off the 700 series 40-X for $40 snarf it up. Almost all of the older pre X Marks can be set to a nice 2.5# and still be real safe. I have adjusted a few to 2# but only on a target gun or p dog rig. Wouldn't really feel confident going that lite on a hunting or tactical type rig. I have only done 1 X Mark for a friend and it went to 3# easy and broke nice and clean. Timney's or Shilens also do pretty well if you don't want to buy a Jewell. I have 1 Jard I bought for cheap off Gunbroker(like $25) and it is set @ 2# on my 22/250AI but it wasn't easy to get the creap out of it. Musta readjusted 10-12 times before I could live with it. Sure wouldn't buy 1 for the going $100+ price if they are all alike!

 

[MG-70]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

Thanks for the feedback, gentlemen!

Can anyone confirm the location of the trigger weight spring?

Does anyone know the correct model of the trigger in the picture?

To the best of my knowledge, the "old trigger" is the same as X-Mark, followed by the X-Mark Pro (possibly the one I have based on a build date of 2008), which was replaced by the current X-Mark Pro Adjustable (external adjustment).

Turns out the triggers I had found weren't 40X's but rather "old style" triggers with no safety or bolt release.

Thanks again!

 

[willsnipe]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

What you have is the X-Mark. The XM-pro has an adjustment screw in the trigger.

The "old" trigger is a whole different animal, and it came in several versions through the years. I believe the consensus is that the older triggers with the flat backs (the newer ones had stamped triggers with "hollow" backs.) are some of Rem's best. I can probably round up some pics if needed.

 

[Lucks]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

Don't know if this is the trigger you have, but this might help you....

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/RemingtonTriggers.asp

 

[MG-70]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

Unfortunately, Remington doesn’t make available part numbers or diagrams in order to distinguish the various triggers used over the years. A while back they had a page explaining their wonderful “new”, circa 2007, X-mark trigger, but along with the trigger, the page has disappeared from their website (http://www.remington.com/xmark/)

Since I’ve yet to find out the proper name of the post-war “old trigger”, as it’s commonly called, I’ll assume it’s “X-mark”, since it seems to have immediately preceded the X-mark Pro, found on my 700 SPS Tactical (bought NIB in 2008).


Picture and adjustment instructions for unnamed <span style="font-weight: bold">“old trigger”</span> here:
http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html

Pic of <span style="font-weight: bold">X-mark Pro</span>, released 2007 (apparently just like mine, notice no external adjustment)
http://www.brownells.com/.aspx/pid=25151/Product/Blued_X_Mark_Pro_Trigger

Pic of <span style="font-weight: bold">X-mark Pro Adjustable</span>, released 2009 (note external adjustment)
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2009/01/15/remingtons-new-adjustable-x-mark-pro-trigger/


http://www.accessmylibrary.com/article-1G1-171536085/adjusting-remington-700-trigger.html

<span style="color: #FF0000">The good news is that</span> according to an American Gunsmith (magazine?) article, dated August 1, 2007, author Chick Blood claims that even though the new X-Mark Pro trigger features a safety pivot link that automatically pushes the safety under the sear, thus preventing the same from releasing the firing pin until the triggers is pulled, that <span style="color: #FF0000">adjustments to the trigger remain unchanged and are still made via the same three screws; two in the front, one in the rear.</span>

The irony is that the author supposedly wrote this “special report” in response to numerous inquiries to the tech hotline on how to adjust said trigger and the fact he was weary of listening and sore from typing responses, but at the same time – unless I only found part of his report – failed to state what the three screws corresponded to, in terms of adjustments.

For this, I revert back to the various articles on how to adjust (usually unspecified models of) Remington 700 triggers:

<span style="font-weight: bold">X-Mark Pro</span> (unfortunately with no pics, which would’ve made identification easier)
http://www.24hourcampfire.com/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php/topics/2185569/1

<span style="font-size: 14pt">[size:11pt]“Pic #1 shows <span style="color: #FF0000">the front with</span> the overt travel screw on top and <span style="color: #FF0000">the weight screw on the bottom</span>. #2 shows the rear and the engagement screw.”</span>[/size]

Long story short, weight screw on the last three standard factory Remington triggers is located on the bottom front of the trigger and adjusted the exact same way!

Old Trigger:
http://www.quarterbore.com/library/articles/rem700trigger.html

http://www.snipercountry.com/Articles/RemingtonTriggers.asp

 

[Augustis]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

MG 70

Time Line of Events:

The old "post war" fire control never really did have an official name. It could be called the connector design fire control, because that is one feature that has remained constant since its release to the public in March, 1948 - When first released in the Model 721, and shortly after the Model 722 that same year. The fire control has also been called the "Walker Fire Control" in certain circles, because of the Merle H. (Mike) Walker was one of the primary engineers involved in the development of this design, as well as the M721 - Which later became the Model 700 rifle in 1962. The Model 700 replaced the Model(s) 721 - 722 and 725.

I do not readily agree with the statement made by the author of the article you provided:

"The good news is that according to an American Gunsmith (magazine?) article, dated August 1, 2007, author Chick Blood claims that even though the new X-Mark Pro trigger features a safety pivot link that automatically pushes the safety under the sear, thus preventing the same from releasing the firing pin until the triggers is pulled"

The SPL compels the *trigger* (Not The Safety) to a secure and reliable sear support condition with the safety in the On Safe Position... so that when the safety is released, the new one piece trigger featured in the X Mark will be in a SECURE position to reliably capture the sear - when said sear support is eliminated by placing the safety in the Off Safe Position.

After roughly 60 years of production employing the "Resiliently mounted trigger connector", Remington finally adopted a conventional one piece trigger, like virtually every other fire control manufacturer (Factory & Aftermarket) that I am aware of, and relased this design to the public on December 31, 2006.

The Trigger adjustment means, or method was changed on the X Mark in 2009, by adjustment through the trigger bow without taking the barreled action of the stock.


Aug ><>

 

[STR]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

The new triggers from Remington are a poor attempt at creating a user adjustable trigger. Three things need to be adjusted on a trigger to make it an adjustable trigger. #1 is the ammount of sear engagement, #2 is overtravel, and last, but the one most people are familiar with trigger pull weight. Remingtons new triggers only let you adjust trigger pull weight so the unexperienced person can not incorrectly adjust the sear engagement, which would make the rifle unsafe. The old Remington triggers are the best as you can adjust all three things I mentioned before. There are many good after market triggers out there, all simple to install. My favorite is the jewell which can be adjusted from 2oz to 3.5 lbs. It is worth every pennie you spend on it. Its to bad you are not in Miami Fla, because I can install one in your rifle adjusted to your specs for $225.00 in my shop. Please feel free to contact me at suarez tactical rifles for all the free advice you want on Remington 700s.

 

[MG-70]

Re: Rem trig ID, adjust. tips, & opinions on 40X trig.

Augustis, thanks for the clarification on the workings of the "new" trigger.

STR, thanks for the offer to help.

For now I've adjusted trigger stop and weight, and even though it feels a lot better, I need to borrow a scale to measure (and possibly further adjust) the let off weight.

Cheers