reminton 700 3rd shot flyer!

callen3615

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Ok, I maybe freaking out over nothing here but the last 2 times I went and shot I had acouple 3rd shot flyers.

The first time me and my buddies wernt trying to shoot groups but I shot 1 3 shot group when we were leaving at 500. 1st and 2nd shots are alittle over an inch apart, 3rd shot is alittle high and 8 inches off to the right. I just figured I pulled it.

I just went and shot a 3 shot group at 200 before the sun went down. 1st and 2nd shots are less than an inch apart, 3rd shot is 1 inch high and 6 inches right. And I made sure I didnt pull it.

Could this be simply a parallax issue. I checked the scope after the last group and it was pretty close to 80 yards instead of 200.

Could it be the ammo? And if so why is it so consistent? I am shooting cheap PMC Bronze 147gr. (I buy it for the brass, practice with the ammo and then reload it)

I dont remember ever having this issue with my handloads?

I did shoot these groups in fairly fast succession. But would my barrel heat up that fast? (it is a heavy barrel)


My rifle is a remington 700 sps varmint, stock is and A4, EGW base, Burris rings, and super sniper 10x42m. I almost forgot to add, it is NOT bedded. But it used to be in a hs precision stock and it wasnt bedded and shot .5moa consistently. When I put the mcmillan on it it got groups down to .4moa and sometimes lower. I intended to get it bedded but shooting is expensive and if I can put 3 shots on a nickel at 100yds im happy.

Im really hoping this is a freak anomaly because the first rifle I bought was a savage and I couldnt ever get good groups out of it. I ended up selling it (and taking a huge loss) and dropping ALOT of money on this setup. I just really hate the feeling of spending thousands of dollars on something and it preforming like a 300 dollar hunting rifle.
 
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Here a pic of said beast, I was dry firing out the window...
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm128</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What ammo where you using for the groups?? ... manufacture...etc..

Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.) </div></div>

PMC Bronze 147grain. Not exactly black hills...
 
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Cpt.

Thats MOST LIKELY going to be your problem...

Get a box of 175 grn Black Hills HPBT Match... I am sure you will see some MAJOR improvments...

When your ready to reload... assuming your using a FACTORY barrel on your Remington 700... I have a good load with RELOADER 15 and the 175 grn that I will share with you.

Matt (LEO SOUTH GA)
 
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Thanks man. That makes me feel better.

I usually reload either that pmc brass or remington brass about 41-42g of 4064 (i dont have a chrono and i have a 26in barrel so I keep my loads light) winchester primers and either 168 or 175 smk. They usually shoot quite well its been awhile since ive shot those though.
 
Re: reminton 700 3rd shot flyer!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: RollerCam</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What's your cleaning routine? Are you familiar with the term "fouling shots?" </div></div>

Yes, I clean more often than I should. I just did last week because I was shooting in the snow and got some down the barrel.
I havent had 20 rounds thu it since.
 
Re: reminton 700 3rd shot flyer!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: cpt. obvious</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: mm128</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What ammo where you using for the groups?? ... manufacture...etc..

Matt (LEO SOUTH GA.) </div></div>

PMC Bronze 147grain. Not exactly black hills... </div></div>

Go back to your handloads and I'd bet your flyers dissapear. Never had really good grops with PMC ammo.
 
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Oh man that stocks nice. How much did that set you back and where did you pick that up at?
 
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Dumb question, but was there wind? Not just where you were shooting from, but all the way down the range?

I shot these at 400yds a while back and I don't recall too much wind at the shooting line. My pictured shots and another shooter's shots (no pic) all went right close to the same time on the top group because of downrange wind. The wind only grabbed one shot on the bottom pic.
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Re: reminton 700 3rd shot flyer!

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CK_32</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh man that stocks nice. How much did that set you back and where did you pick that up at? </div></div>

I picked up a similar stock from JW Precision (http://jwprecision.ca/products.html) last Christmas. USMC Spec A4 ran me around $850.
 
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I'm thinking rifle issue here as a gut 1st reaction, with the shooter's ability assumed withstanding. This, based on the info he's given, and the context in which he himself posed the query.

<span style="font-style: italic">-500 yard group with 1st and 2nd shots a little over and inch apart, and the THIRD shot a little high and 8 right....then a 200 yard group with 1st and 2nd shots just under an inch, and the THIRD shot an inch high and 6 right.

-Previous memory of how the rifle shoots is with another stock and handloads; and for these bad groups, he had his AO set incorrectly for the yardage...possibly inducing a parralactic issue.</span>

Anything under the sun is possible so it can't be ruled impossible to reproduce the exact same results with bad ammo twice in row, first two rounds "grouping" sub MOA and the third a tad high and wide right, but the odds are astronomical. He shoulda bought a lotto ticket on the way home......

Were it me, before I jumped all over the ammo in an assumptive fit of blind speculation and repugnant bias, I'd try to reproduce the "problem" again, a few more times with that same ammo, and specifically look for a third shot flyer that's a little high and wide right. An example of TWO is not enough to base ANY suggested solution on. Then try to do it with another ammo, just as a control.

Were it truely bad ammo it is more likely he'd get a flyer at any point, 1st, 2nd, or 3rd...or TWO flyers and one still hitting POA, or three shots scattered anywhere. The distance flyers flew out of the group will also vary enough to point towards the ammo as well, and the point of impact for the flyer will NOT likely always be a little high and wide right. I would stick to one yardage to shoot this test, and make it anything 200 yards or more.

I would also yank that action and look inside the stock for something that's not supposed to be there...dirt, a piece of vegitation, a chunk of stock material that's broken off and wedged under something...anything that might be putting stress on the barrel/action, etc.

This may just be a rifle issue that's just now showing up....
 
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Seems to me if he doesn't have the flyer issue with hus handloads it would point to the ammo. I don't think the barrel would heat up enough being a heavy barreled SPS to cause this. Easy way to tell is put hand on barrel. If it's to hot to keep hand there it's heated up to much.