Resources for a field match???

[JC0352]

So some friends and I, that have met through local PRS/NRL-type matches, have a running group chat in FB messenger. One of them is a MD for matches in Leesville, LA. I’d commented that it would be cool if someone put on a field match in Louisiana and asked if anybody had any connections at Ft. Polk (due to space). He said, “ I might know a guy!” and he also knows of a ranch (I think) nearby that would have some room.

The conversation was really productive with some good ideas. With that being said, none of us have ever attended a SHC/RTC/Mammoth.

We’re thinking stages where you have to find, range and engage your targets under time. Also some orienteering between stages either under time or not. Give teams a bearing to the next stage, something like that.

What other considerations could you all think of? Would this be something you’d be interested in attending if you were in the area?

 

[Rokfor2K]

Stalking stages would be blasting. Miss stalking very much! )
Simultaneous fire if working with teammate
Moving targets

 

[JC0352]

I think stalking would be a shit-show for us non-sniper types, lol.

simultaneous fire ??

I WISH we had access to a mover...

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

Please keep this thread updated with the progress on this idea.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[seansmd]

@Diver160651, @Jabot , @Swoodhouse19 who recently helped setup and facilitate a new field match at avenal.

 

[Diver160651]

@Diver160651, @Jabot , @Swoodhouse19 who recently helped setup and facilitate a new field match at avenal.

Here is an old thread on our match last month. http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/great-team-match-is-full-3-1-2-months-in-advance-get-on-wait-list-2-person-team-match-field-style-its-on.6948510/

We’ll have another in 2020.. PM me for details - it is sure to sell out again, we keep it small so everyone gets to shoot more

MATCHES UP ON PRACTICE SCORE SOON.

it’s not spot and stock, but it is as close as most places can run with lots of shooters and stay safe. You have no idea what the engagement rules are until you are on the clock. A good tripod to shoot from and a nice pack, PLRF and binos are valuable and sure to get a workout

2020 Dates Avenal Gun Club: All will use the hiking mountain course, except 7/19
1/26 PRS club
2/23 PRS club
3/21-22 PRS Sharp Shooter Showdown
4/26 PRS club
5/31 PRS Regional Qualifier
6/28 PRS club
7/19 PRS silhouette range due to expected summer heat
No August
9/20 PRS Regional Qualifier
10/25 PRS club
11/22 UKD Team Challenge Field Match Get on the list this one filled up fast!!!!

(NRL22 match dates to be added) - Tentatively 5/30, 9/19, 11/21 more to follow

Image from last month's UKD team challenge.

 

[Krazy Korean]

I actually bought 1:50k scale maps of my dads farm and surrounding area (about 6 miles x 6 miles), compasses, protractor, and had areas identified to do stalking where they would have to sneak up to view the position, identify cards held up by the "targets" and then dial correct dope in the rifle before the "walker" would stand within 15 yards and let the "target" (guy with binos) attempt to walk the walker on top of the shooter, recon/sniper missions where details need to be relayed and information gathered before a shot can be taken, etc... unfortunately I moved before I got this set up. but i love the land navigation with mission critical checkpoints every so often.. like mammoth with land nav.

 

[JC0352]

Hi,

Please keep this thread updated with the progress on this idea.

Sincerely,
Theis

THEIS,
I certainly will. Right now the main guy getting us a spot to shoot has his hands full but I will keep you apprised.

 

[JC0352]

While step one, determine a match location, is ongoing we’ll just keep bugging our friend with ideas to get this all set up.

The initial thought is move to each stage with some basic orienteering, carrying ALL YOUR SHIT, enter the designated firing point and your time starts. Here are the rules, the targets are in this general direction; find them and have fun.

EDIT: How would you layout a team engagement on a stage? Assume the majority of the teams have two primary bolt guns, not a primary and secondary (carbine) shooter. I need go listen to Frank’s podcasts about the SHC and Team safari again...

 

[D_TROS]

First off field matches are waaaay more fun than normal individual BS. Its more true show of a shooters ability IMO. No group wind sharing, staging ideas etc etc.

Having shot more than 20 team matches Im trying to think what my favorite aspects are...

-Communication stages, where one shooter tells other which target to shoot and vise versa
-synchronized shots - get a board on a balance with 1 target on L and one target on R, if one shooter shoots early it knocks the other out of the way. done this couple times and it was really fun. wish it was done more.
-maybe once or twice but have a timed run between stages - finish on time get 10 pts...minus a pt per minute late or something. not a lot of these tho as you don't want to really penalize a team that has a bad wing...
-gear restrictions, ie maybe one tripod a team and you have to decide which uses it/waste time switching setups...
-no gear touches ground until time starts

-one tough to navigate shooting scenario is clustering targets with no real indicators near them and far enough from ea other that if your partner ranges the wrong one or you shoot the wrong one communicated to you, you will miss...will force communication as well as see how your relationship is when frustration kicks in lol. There is a couple stages like this at the Competition Dynamics matches.



Also just get out and shoot a team match. CD puts on 2 fantastic team matches. WTRC, RTC, Bushnell Elite Tactical Sniper Challenge, Mammoth, etc etc...

My biggest pet peeve ever is chuckle heads coming out wanting to put a match on having never shot one or shot just one. Seriously you are going to charge people $$$ to shoot your match and you are not qualified to do so. "Well I started a thread on the internet and I have a field so why not..." lol stop it. Get out and shoot and see for yourself what works and doesnt. The last thing you want is a match to go to shit because of bad planning and stages backup and straight up comfusion...

-LAst, shoot the match your self and see if its fun and doable. under 50% hit ratios makes for a shitty match.


GL
DT

 

[JC0352]

First off field matches are waaaay more fun than normal individual BS. Its more true show of a shooters ability IMO. No group wind sharing, staging ideas etc etc.

Having shot more than 20 team matches Im trying to think what my favorite aspects are...

-Communication stages, where one shooter tells other which target to shoot and vise versa
-synchronized shots - get a board on a balance with 1 target on L and one target on R, if one shooter shoots early it knocks the other out of the way. done this couple times and it was really fun. wish it was done more.
-maybe once or twice but have a timed run between stages - finish on time get 10 pts...minus a pt per minute late or something. not a lot of these tho as you don't want to really penalize a team that has a bad wing...
-gear restrictions, ie maybe one tripod a team and you have to decide which uses it/waste time switching setups...
-no gear touches ground until time starts

-one tough to navigate shooting scenario is clustering targets with no real indicators near them and far enough from ea other that if your partner ranges the wrong one or you shoot the wrong one communicated to you, you will miss...will force communication as well as see how your relationship is when frustration kicks in lol. There is a couple stages like this at the Competition Dynamics matches.

I really appreciate you taking the time to share some ideas!

My biggest pet peeve ever is chuckle heads coming out wanting to put a match on having never shot one or shot just one. Seriously you are going to charge people $$$ to shoot your match and you are not qualified to do so. "Well I started a thread on the internet and I have a field so why not..." lol stop it. Get out and shoot and see for yourself what works and doesnt. The last thing you want is a match to go to shit because of bad planning and stages backup and straight up comfusion...

-LAst, shoot the match your self and see if its fun and doable. under 50% hit ratios makes for a shitty match.


GL
DT

I also appreciate your honesty here. We’d probably need to keep it small and amongst friends and verify our concept works. I don’t believe any of us are in a position to travel to another one anytime soon. I don’t want to drop names but we have someone (a respected member here) that’s been shooting team field matches forever that could probably help our MD think up a decent course of fire. It’s still just a theory/dream at this point and we need somewhere to have it before anything happens. Again, thanks for your thoughts and candor.

 

[shoobe01]

We do lots of field training, like land nav training, etc. and even force-on-force stuff as a part of it. Very familiar with moving people around, making them scout and communicate, having actions on contact, etc.

It is SO HARD to get land/facility owners on board with adding live fire though. Run-n-guns are nice, but still very run-to-a-square-range and then shoot thataway at KD targets. I can't even get the range that used to have a jungle walk to re-open the lane under highly controlled conditions, even just with shotguns (dissipate rapidly, so downrange safety is high)..

I have laid out, with others, some plans to make carbine/rifle/precision rife stalks, team exercises, and nav-to-find courses work. We've got ideas. Cannot persuade anyone it's worth it (no one wants to do that!) or safe.

I'd love plan/run if it was remotely local, and attend one one if one-day driveable. Oh, and I make maps (example), to get around scale issues and so on, so could at least do that.

Please carry on. Very interested.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

@shoobe01
Have you contacted the guys over at Velocity Tactics/Fort Scott Ammunition in regards to that type of competition?
Reason I ask is they are relatively local to you and the owner has a rather large land holding.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[shoobe01]

Nope, as usual I am terrible at making connections, barely know those people, did not know they had land. Hmm...

 

[JC0352]

We do lots of field training, like land nav training, etc. and even force-on-force stuff as a part of it. Very familiar with moving people around, making them scout and communicate...

Work related or just for fun? Some of that sounds intense!

 

[shoobe01]

Work related or just for fun? Some of that sounds intense!

Since we don't really make money by any useful measure, even though it's a business with taxes and everything, call it a hobby.

 

[Campguy308]

I'd definitely be in, especially if in LA Unknown distance shooting, hiking, maybe camp out a night?? Sounds awesome, as long as the average Joe could handle it physically. Right up my alley.

 

[Swoodhouse19]

Our hike is challenging but not especially difficult. The majority of people could handle it.