Gunsmithing Reworking my Howa, NEWCDI DBM LEVER!

[Keith Johns]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

Mike post a picture of that. It needs to be inletted deeper. But then its going to sit/look weird.

That is the Howa, inletted by Mcmillan. Mike had to mill out one small part so it would even drop in at all. Not CDI or mcmillans fault, just poor communication maybe.
After doing that so it would drop in to stock line front and back, the trigger area was too bulky and comes down too far. Feels terrible when griping it. We can fix it with inletting and maybe some stock line changes though. Or we might need to mill some of the trigger guard opening out to bring it up to stock line.

 

[crashandburn]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

Keith I'd rather not drop the DBM deeper than flush, thats where it needs to be IMO. The gaurd just needs some minor material removed which should be no problemo. If I inlet deeper I have to redo the latch and everything els to get the fit it has now plus it wont look as good as it should. Pics coming asap

 

[goose316]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

tag....I have been looking at the cdi dbm for a while. I have a howa and a vanguard that need dbm, but have been waiting on Pete Lincoln. I have no idea as to were he is in reference to time line to U.S. markets, so I am enjoying your honesty in the write up. Thanks.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

We can just lay the bottom metal on its side and mill out the trigger guard a little then.

That would take care of the Howa right?

Then we just have to worry about fixing the 700. We can lock in a piece of aluminum using set screw or two instead of epoxy.
We can even put a bevel on it and make it look the same as Badger. With an angle to match the one on the magazine instead of just being a square angle.

 

[crashandburn]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

Here are some pictures show some of the differences in design.

The surgeon, notice the angles machined at the top of the latch.

The A.I, again notice the area above the lever. A.I has the chassis behin the mag well just slightly so the mag bottoms out under the action and is kept from going down too far by the lever.

Here is the CDI in my 6.5 creed. notice the rubber shim placed to allow proper function and mag placement as well as the wear on the lever. I wonder if the finishes are different between the lever and the DBM???

Here is the CDI for the Howa 1500. Notice the relief above the lever as well as the tilted spring which still needs to be reworked.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

Show a side view of the Howa with the bottom metal in. I want to see how much we might need to remove from the guard(where your finger touches).

It says its hard coat anodized. They need to switch to whatever anodizing Badger uses cause the two finishes aren't even in the same league.

 

[crashandburn]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

the Bottom metal sits flush and looks good all the way arounds but the trigger gaurd is a little too thick for my taste. With some minor machining it should feel and look great.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

What I dont get is the mag well on the bottom metal is flush all the way around, then it drops down like that where the trigger guard is.
Your trigger finger rubs on the bottom metal right there bad. Its not acceptable it feels shitty as hell in my opinion.

So Im not sure if the stock is inletted wrong from Mcmillan, or if its just the design of the bottom metal.

Either way we can fix it(by we I mean you)

 

[crashandburn]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

bottom metal design IMO. Its just a little thicker there. The DBM sits nice and flush, the action sits right where it should. If you dropped one end down it would tilt the DBM which seems level from end to end so it might mess with feeding. When you put the CDI on my remington you inletted the bottom metal a tad bit farther down than the front ( you expressed that you took a measurment to determan depth) so it doesnt feel the same as the howa but it doesnt function very well either but I believe its part of that has to do with the C-products mag, its a little rougher than the A.I(which doesnt work in my CDI w/ out modification) a vicious circle.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Reworking my Howa, Remington and Mauser

Maybe inletting the 700 bottom metal to the rear about .050 would help. If the rear of the mag hits the ADL screw attachment point with just the thickness of the mag, that may keep it from going too high and stopping the bolt. Did you say that's how the AICS stops the mag on upward travel? I've never thought to look close at an AICS mag stop and release. I figured it had an angle like the Badger or Surgeon.

Just an idea. Maybe I can come over tomorrow and we can look it all over again.



As for the Howa, we can mill some of the trigger guard area away so your finger doesnt rub and it wont block 1/5th of the trigger shoe. And then we can make sure the latch is at correct height.

That should fix them both right? And have both at stock line.


Oh and we'll need to do something about that spring. Maybe it just needs to have a new dimple drilled and cut a little or something. We'll see what we can do.

 

[coues103]

Re: Reworking my Howa, UPDATED!

you do nice work! it is nice to see another younger guy taking an interest in gunsmithing. especially one into cnc machining as well. keep up the good work

 

[crashandburn]

Re: Reworking my Howa, UPDATED!

Thank you sir. I hope to have this one tested soon with a a good range report to follow.

 

[crashandburn]

Re: Reworking my Howa, UPDATED!

Made myself a new lever for CDI DBM! check it out. Similar to the Surgeon style and can be used by either hand. It feels better and works better IMO.

Befor!

After!

I repositioned the spring dimple on the lever to keep the spring horizontal, makes it feel and function better

I plan on making a new on via CNC which will look quite a bit better.

 

[Keith Johns]

Re: Reworking my Howa, UPDATED!

Nice, looks and works a lot better for ya.

 

[MWDG3]

Re: Reworking my Howa, UPDATED!

VERY nice!