SAI 10 1-10
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Don't they also make TT optics? I don't see the problem. Everyone has a daylight bright 1-8/10 LPVO. It's the standard.
Eotech
Nightforce
Leupold
even Primary Arms
TT lol - You in the market for $5K LPVO? 99% of the market isn’t. 3/4 of those are Japanese OEM scopes like this SAI. no idea where Leupold makes theirs though. The NX8 kinda sucks, the ATACR is heavy with shit FOV, the PA 1-8 I had wouldn’t focus properly to my eye, and Loopy we don’t talk about here.
SAI says it's their design and made in Canada, but whatever. As to $5K....lmao! No. It would add a few hundo, max. Just like all the others.
Well...the 1-6's have Japanese glass and such. Perhaps we're now playing the Bill Clinton word game that other optics outfits play in the definition of "made".
Designed in Canada.....Of course
Assembled in Canada....Very possible
The glass is probably Japanese again and components are likely sourced outside Canada (across the Pacific) if it's going to stay in the SAI price scale.
And there is always the possibility the rep misspoke...totally known to happen.
Regarding the illumination thing, as noted their entire reticle design with the "X" is to alleviate the urgent need for "nuclear brightness" and the various illumination games expensive and technical LED or fucking around with the big circular globs that kinda sorta look like a bloomed out aimpoint on a FFP on 1x (which is in opposition to their design). I can see the argument for going brighter IF they were to do on the 1-10 model like they later did on the 1-6x where they have an offering where they omit the rapid aiming "X" and illuminating the thin part of the crosshair is a benefit on 1x.
Though I must say, I do wish most of these mid-tier optic manufacturers would fucking cool it with the "NV setting" bullshit on LPVO's and leaving me with maybe 4 or 5 usable settings out of the 11 and give me a few more brightness settings at the top instead of the bottom. Like with the Aimpoint T/H models and Eotech 3/2...if you can afford a clip on, you can pony up the 5-10% for your NV settings.
I really want to see it, if they release them. I hope this isnt headed for Nx6 territory. I don't thing it is, but still, a bit behind schedule.
I talked to them a couple of days ago and it looks like they are finally done with a few last moment hurdles they ran into. The scope should be ready shortly.
I did not ask about final pricing, but I will.
ILya
Can you shed light on origins? I presume components from Japan and not the Philippines or China?
If they do not disclose it, I should not either. The components come from a few different places though, and are all put together and aligned in Canada. That's how they are able to say that it is made in Canada. Assembly quality is a big deal, so I am pretty happy that they brought it in house.
To the best of my knowledge, nothing comes from PRC, although I do not know where the adhesives and the raw glass comes from. Lens cutting, shaping, polishing, coating, etc is not done in PRC, neither is the reticle. Interestingly, in a conversation I had with them, it came out that the tolerances they put on the reticle manufacturing were so tight that they had go to a completely different manufacturer for the reticle because all the people they normally do business with could not deliver.
ILya
Well, thats what I care about. I have a strict no China policy for items that count.
I have not done a full review. If memory serves me right, it is the same exact scope as Eotech 1-10x28 except with different reticle and turrets. I can't remember offhand if Trijicon's elevation turret is locking or not though.
Either way, I have seen several scopes base don this LOW 1-10x28 design and they were all very competent.
I slightly prefer the Delta version because they kept it with side focus, which helps to finetune it for use with clip-ons and for longer distance stuff, but they are all very capable.
ILya
More and more looking at the specs...
@9" end to end
24mm objective
1-10 zoom ratio
Fixed parallax
How is this not going to have a horrible eyebox and trash IQ beyond 2-300 yards above 6x?
@9" end to end
24mm objective
1-10 zoom ratio
Fixed parallax
How is this not going to have a horrible eyebox and trash IQ beyond 2-300 yards above 6x?
There are ways to mitigate that, within reason. We will not know until the scope ships.
AMG 1-10x24 is shorter and very good.
ILya
Of all the people who have used it, you and CDoes are the only two that have much good to say. I am curious how Sai does with theirs.
Let me rephrase: of all the people I know, and know of, who have spoken to its optical qualities, who have used it. Probably only half a dozen or so, so far from literally everyone obviously. I am not including competitors or people trying to sell theirs, in that, either, lol!
You misunderstood. I am aghast that there is something I agree on with C-Does.
I have talked to a few people who were not happy with AMG. That left me very disappointed in humanity.
ILya
I remain curious to try it, personally. I find that when it comes to optics, no two eyes are alike. In my opinion this boils down to fixed parallax vs diopter settings and where the parallax is fixed and how the diopter shift occurs through mag range. Correctly adjusted for the end user, the same scope can be trash or amazing, depending on the users diopter. For example, the 1-6vcog was unusable for me, the 1-8 atacr had 1.1x on the low end, and the nx8 1-8 is amazing (for its physical limitations).
The common complaint about the amg I've heard are the absolute trash eyebox beyond 8x. Most say it makes the nx8 seem very generous. Then there is the price vs pedigree. Noone knows if if will hold up or not. Time will tell, there.
