Sailor Sold Gear on eBay

[The Mechanic]

This pisses me off. This local guy to me (San Diego) was just caught selling this stuff to the commies.
They need to hang this guy.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/39191743

On his LinkedIn profile, Phillip Jamison says he's a naval gunners mate based at the Naval Amphibious Base in Coronado. He also says he manages millions of dollars worth of sensitive military equipment including weapons.

And according to Jamison, his number one job is to make sure the equipment is safe and secure.

But according to a federal indictment, prosecutors say the 11-year Navy veteran was actually stealing some of it and selling it on eBay.

Prosecutors say Jamison stole more than 280 items from the U.S. Navy between October 2008 and September 2009.

The items include tactical flashlights, rifle scopes, laser aiming devices and night vision technology. All of it valued at more than $200,000.

Some of it going to buyers in other countries including China.

Former federal prosecutor John Kirby questions why it took almost a year before someone realized the items were missing.

"The Navy's got to figure out how this happened and why nobody missed it," Kirby said. "You would think they have inventory controls."

"The Navy's got to figure out how this happened and why nobody missed it," Kirby said. "You would think they have inventory controls."

In federal court on Tuesday, Jamison pleaded not guilty to charges that include trafficking stolen government property.

If convicted, he could get up to 30 years in prison, and more than $1 million in fines.

If convicted, he could get up to 30 years in prison, and more than $1 million in fines.

 

[usmcMT]

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Hang that little prick..

 

[Queequeg]

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Similar shitbaggery over here in St. Pete. Looks like the folks in this story are in a heap-o-trouble.

http://www.baynews9.com/article/news/201...al-problem.html

 

[Anchor Zero Six]

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I just hope the bullfrogs got to him before the MA's did.

 

[Guest]

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That should qualify as treason.
Dammit!

 

[BoredEngineer]

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What an idiot. 30 years and 1 million is too soft for this sort of treason. ITT was fined over 100 million for a similar infraction.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17814559/

It takes thousands of people and billions of tax payer dollars to develop this kind of technology. This ass hat pissed it all away.

+1 on hanging the traitor.

 

[Sean the Nailer]

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Quoting a portion of the link that BoredEngineer supplied:

"The government will maintain the rights to any technologies ITT develops and can share them with rival defense firms bidding on future contracts, Brownlee said."

While I don't like the situation that caused this to come about, seeing a penalty such as this, added to the fine, is more than exemplary for justice being dealt.

If only our courts would take that concept, and run with it when dealing with issues concerning humans. When I say "our", I am including both your courts and mine.

 

[GardDog]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That should qualify as treason.
Dammit! </div></div>

I agree.

 

[Phil1]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Former federal prosecutor John Kirby questions why it took almost a year before someone realized the items were missing.

"The Navy's got to figure out how this happened and why nobody missed it," Kirby said. "You would think they have inventory controls."

"The Navy's got to figure out how this happened and why nobody missed it," Kirby said. "You would think they have inventory controls."
</div></div>

Inventory control is the key.What about the senior staff who were sleeping on the job?

 

[The Mechanic]

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The story says he "managed" millions of dollars worth of sensitive military equipment including weapons.
So maybe he was inventory control.

 

[E3C3H3O3]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That should qualify as treason.
Dammit! </div></div>

Damn right it should, he should get life in prison and cell him up with Bubba

 

[Phil1]

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It seems as if there were many many theft offenses here. Perhaps Islamic law should apply? Two amputations and jail thereafter. This mullah is from the UK!

Question:
Could you please tell me under Islamic law is the punishment for stealing the cutting of hands? Are any factors considered before such punishment is dealt? i.e. witness, persistent criminal, criminals circumstances etc. Would a mother, under difficult circumstances, who steals to feed her hungry baby, receive the same punishment?

In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,

The different penalties prescribed by Shariah is not in order to inflict harm on people and make them suffer, rather the Shariah concept for imposing penalties for the various crimes is that they prevent harm, destruction and anarchy in the society. They are not prescribed in order to harm people, but the contrary.

Allah Most High says:

&#65533;In the law of retaliation there is (saving of) life to you, O you men of understanding&#65533; (Surah al-Baqarah, 179).

Due to the idea behind these various penalties being imposed not to make an individual suffer, rather to create a better society as a whole, the Shariah laid down certain strict rules and conditions in order for the punishment to be established or enforced. These strict conditions can be seen in all the various penalties that have been imposed.

The case with theft and stealing is the same in that certain conditions have been laid down for the penalty to be imposed. If the conditions are met, only then will such a penalty be enforced.

Conditions for the penalty of theft:

The following are the conditions which must be met in order to establish the penalty of theft:

1) The one who steals is sane

2) He has reached puberty

3) He steals equivalent to the amount (nisab) or more. The Nisab is one Dinar or ten Dirhams (i.e. 4.374 grams of gold). The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said:

&#65533;There is no cutting (of hands) for stealing that is less then ten Dirhams&#65533; (Musnad Ahmad).

Sayyidah Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) reports that &#65533;The hands were not cut in the time of the Messenger of Allah for stealing worthless things&#65533; (Musannaf Ibn Abi Shaybah).

Aisha (Allah be pleased with her) narrates that: &#65533;The hand of a thief was not cut off during the lifetime of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give peace) except for stealing something equal to a shield in value&#65533; (Sahih al-Bukhari, 6792, & Sahih Muslim, 1685).

A shield was worth one Dinar at that time, as narrated by Ibn Abbas in Sunan Abu Dawud & Sunan Nasa&#65533;i.

4) He steals the article from a place that meets the requirements of security and safeguarding. This security is considered when the article is safeguarded by a guard or by it being locked in a place.

5) The article is in the ownership of another person

6) There is no confusion in it (as to whether he took it by way of theft or for some other reason).

7) It was stolen secretly (not by force, etc&#65533.

If any of the above conditions are not met, then the penalty of theft will not be established.

Allah Most High says:

&#65533;As to the thief, male of female, cut off his or her hands. A punishment by way of example, from Allah, for their crime&#65533; (Surah al-Ma&#65533;idah, 38).

As far as the evidence and testimony is concerned, stealing will be established by self admittance once or by the testimony of two adult males. The witnesses will be asked the details of the incident, as not to make an error.

A person&#65533;s hand is not amputated when he steals less than the equivalent of 4.374 grams of gold, from place that does not meet the requirements of security, something that is useless, something that is in general ownership such as water in the river, sticks from the wood, etc&#65533;, food that rots very quickly such as milk, meat, fruits, etc&#65533;, articles that are unlawful due to the possibility that one had an intention of getting rid of it, such as musical instruments.

The penalty:

The penalty for the one who steals (when the above conditions are met) is that his/her right arm is amputated. If a person steals a second time, his left foot is amputated; if a third time, then he will be imprisoned until he repents, but no further amputation will take place.

Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says:

&#65533;I feel guilty in front of Allah if I leave him without hands (i.e. amputating both) by which he eats, and feet, by which he walks&#65533; (Sunan Darqutni, al-Bayhaqi & Musannaf ibn Abi Shayba).

The above are some of the important aspects relating to the penalty of theft. It has been primarily based on the famous Hanafi work al-Ikhtiyar li ta&#65533;lil al-Mukhtar, P341-351).

And Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Darul Iftaa, Leicester, UK
www.daruliftaa.co.uk

MMVIII © SunniPath.

http://qa.sunnipath.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1895&CATE=12

Here is another story where a University administrator stole $1,000,000 from students. Damn thieves are everywhere.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/16/nyregion/16scam.html?hpw

 

[ArcticLight]

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We go through export control training twice a year because the MINIMUM, MINIMUM Fine is $5 mil and they ALWAYS fine companies, always.

But this guy will get 10 years in leavenworth, we had a guy in my commo platoon do this, sold a few PRC77's, camp gear, tents, motorpool stuff....he got 10 years, was out in 6.

 

[glocksig40]

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Saw this same kind of thing 20 years ago in the Air Force. Purchasing supervisor stealing tools and selling on the local economy. Another guy when I was in Spain was a supervisor on a communications site. He and a couple others were caught and charged for letting many friends come to the comm site and use the telephone systems to call friends and family back in the states. Went on for years. Reportedly over $1,000,000 worth of phone calls. Not the same as an idiot selling to China but still a thief is a thief.

 

[CSAR]

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I say they take him across the street (Silver Strand Highway) and let the Frogs take him over to the "Island" for some inventory training.......

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CSAR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I say they take him across the street (Silver Strand Highway) and let the Frogs take him over to the "Island" for some inventory training.......</div></div>
Whoa that is local talk. You from San Diego?

 

[CSAR]

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No.... But I spent time on that side of the Silver Strand

 

[lexluther]

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It is a shame for sure, but consider this. My last purchase from uncle sam was for an item that uncle paid $78 for each, and sold to me for 2.75 each. Sad thing is they are unissued and we paid for them to sit on the shelf for 30 years. This is but one item, can you imagine the waste in this system that might tempt this guy?

 

[The Mechanic]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Lex Luther</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It is a shame for sure, but consider this. My last purchase from uncle sam was for an item that uncle paid $78 for each, and sold to me for 2.75 each. Sad thing is they are unissued and we paid for them to sit on the shelf for 30 years. This is but one item, can you imagine the waste in this system that might tempt this guy?</div></div>
That just is not an excuse to me. The money it takes to "invent" these tools for our soldiers is enormous. If it sits on a shelf so be it. But to let it get into the hands of our enemies for pennies on the dollar to copy and or circumvent will compromise the lives of our soldiers with out a doubt.

 

[CMKnives]

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What an assbag.........He will get his.....FREAK.....

 

[navysami]

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i think tht iworked with this guy back mid 02 till well not sure when he transferred but they better go back further than 08 we had some nvg's go missing at that command that never turned up but the ship decommed and i guess got over looked will give u a guess who was in the armory

 

[chris223]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tucker301</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That should qualify as treason.
Dammit! </div></div>
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