Any opinions? I know the Rem700 is kinda the standard, but the Savage 10FP I used to have was a darned nice rifle.
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Savage 110 action vs. Rem 700 for 338 Edge build
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I love savage rifles. They are easier to work on too as Far as re barreling and what not. My stock savage 10fcp sr in 308 will shoot half inch groups at 100 yards.
After my Savage 10 BA LE experience I can't suggest you go with Savage -- Their quality has dropped tremendously in the past few years.
I'd suggest you go Rem 700 but, do it right -- Stiller/Surgeon, good stock + good barrel will run you just as much as a HQ Savage build only, you'll have 10x the aftermarket options.
I'd suggest you go Rem 700 but, do it right -- Stiller/Surgeon, good stock + good barrel will run you just as much as a HQ Savage build only, you'll have 10x the aftermarket options.
The general prospective plan is an action from a Savage 110 in 7mm RUM, with a Brux barrel, and a XLR chassis with a Leup Mark 4 FFP 6.5-20x50.
I can't really see what much difference the action makes....
I can't really see what much difference the action makes....
My action was actually improperly threaded...So, really made a huge difference.
Buy once, cry once the saying goes, right?
Someone who built one off a Savage 110 said the 250gr boolits will feed out of a AI mag, but the 300's will not - be single feed only.
Might want to do a little research. This topic has been discussed. The general consensus is that building a 338 lapua off a standard long action, be it savage or Remington, is not advisable. Most gunsmiths won't build a 338 lapua off a standard 700 action due to the increased pressure. Combine that with the amount of material removed from the barrel when it is chambered for that fat cartridge and you're left with less material to contain the pressure = catastrophe waiting to happen.
If you go savage you need to make sure its a large shank action (actions beginning with G in serial number) to even consider a 338lm. Even then, according to savage experts, the rifles that savage sells chambered in 338lm use a stronger steel for their receivers. Even then, the savage experts will tell you that the savage 338 rifles have the bare minimum strength to handle such a load.
Bottom line, "cheap" and "338 lapua" should never be used in the same sentence.
If you're interested in staying cheap, go 338 edge and accept the fact that you'll be single feeding.
Otherwise, buy an action intended for 338lm(TAC338, m2013, etc) and do it right.
If you go savage you need to make sure its a large shank action (actions beginning with G in serial number) to even consider a 338lm. Even then, according to savage experts, the rifles that savage sells chambered in 338lm use a stronger steel for their receivers. Even then, the savage experts will tell you that the savage 338 rifles have the bare minimum strength to handle such a load.
Bottom line, "cheap" and "338 lapua" should never be used in the same sentence.
If you're interested in staying cheap, go 338 edge and accept the fact that you'll be single feeding.
Otherwise, buy an action intended for 338lm(TAC338, m2013, etc) and do it right.
To clarify, I'm ONLY considering 338 Edge here, not 338 LM, for the reasons stated above. (Thank you for confirming that important point.) My question is whether a Savage action is a bad idea for a 338 Edge build.
I recall that I posted re 338LM vs. 338 Edge elsewhere. I've figgered out if I go 338LM, I'm just gonna buy a AR30.
I recall that I posted re 338LM vs. 338 Edge elsewhere. I've figgered out if I go 338LM, I'm just gonna buy a AR30.
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There are alot of guys out there that don't like the savage rifles. Like I said. I have never had a problem with mine a couple buddys that have savage rifles never had problems either other than the 338lm and their chamber issues. The nice thing about the 700 is all the aftermarket stocks and what not for them. Also I'm just not a fan of Remington but that's just me.
Duh! I think i didn't have my coffee yet this morning when i posted.
Price wise, the savage wins. Sure there are more aftermarket options in the Remington but the diy capabilities of the savage are numerous. And don't let anyone tell you the Remington is smoother. I had my gunsmith install a Krieger on a savage action that i did a little work to and he commented that it was wicked smooth and easily the smoothest savage he ever worked with. Heck, its smoother than my TAC338 action i just bought!
Price wise, the savage wins. Sure there are more aftermarket options in the Remington but the diy capabilities of the savage are numerous. And don't let anyone tell you the Remington is smoother. I had my gunsmith install a Krieger on a savage action that i did a little work to and he commented that it was wicked smooth and easily the smoothest savage he ever worked with. Heck, its smoother than my TAC338 action i just bought!
I agree. Much easier to work on yourself. With the barrel nut and what not. Also the accutrigger is nice.
Both Remmy and Savage do just fine with the 300 WinMag and the 300 runs a max chamber pressure of 64,000psi while the 338 Lapua Mag runs 60,916psi (3000+psi less) than the 300 WinMag.
Source please.
Source please.
Very much agree.
I've held a loaded 330LM round next to a standard Savage long action and you would have to mill the bottom opening to mag feed and mill out the ejection port (unless you wanted to pull your bolt every time you needed to remove an unfired round).
Consider a 1.0625 barrel tenon. Then chamber it for a 300wm. Then chamber it again for a 338 lapua magnum and notice how much material you remove and how much less of the thickness of the tenon remains.
Your summation of cup pressure is dependent of the bullet, powder, and many other factors. All things equal they both tend to operate under similar pressures in the real world. Given that, an equal pressure contained by a thinner wall of material is more likely to fail catastrophically. Increasing the diameter of a cartridge by only 20% increases the surface area of the cartridge by over 40%, resulting that much more force exerted on the material trying to contain that pressure - and remember, we now have less material with which to contain it.
My source for the thought that savages 338 lm rifles use stronger receivers came from Fred at sharpshooter supply. He is arguably one of the most knowledgeable savage gunsmiths in the industry.
Your summation of cup pressure is dependent of the bullet, powder, and many other factors. All things equal they both tend to operate under similar pressures in the real world. Given that, an equal pressure contained by a thinner wall of material is more likely to fail catastrophically. Increasing the diameter of a cartridge by only 20% increases the surface area of the cartridge by over 40%, resulting that much more force exerted on the material trying to contain that pressure - and remember, we now have less material with which to contain it.
My source for the thought that savages 338 lm rifles use stronger receivers came from Fred at sharpshooter supply. He is arguably one of the most knowledgeable savage gunsmiths in the industry.
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The Savage will be just fine for your edge build, however I would recommend doing it on a large shank. I just bought the Savage 116 Alaskan Brush Hunter in 375 Ruger, so I could have the stainless large shank action out of it for a 338 Edge build I have planned. Just to clarify on the Savage 338LM action, it is a totally different action. It has a closed in top,(smaller ejection port) large shank, and thicker lugs as well.
I have been shooting a 338 edge for 2 years now with no problems,its built savage 110, cdi bottem metal ,using cip mags and a joe rossue a5 stock so it can be done. and buy the way I loag 300gr bergers with no probem
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