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Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

High Binder

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Guys, I'm doing some thinking about picking up a Savage 110 FCP (pic below) and doing some serious soul searching (read: budgeting) on the costs and ballistics. That being said I have a few questions.

How many reloads are you seeing before neck splits/etc.?

What bullets and powder are you guys getting the best results with?

Some reviews have said that felt recoil is less than a 30-06 does that sound about right?

What velocity are you guys seeing and what's the maximum ranges you guys are hitting?

Is the Savage 110FCP G.T.G. or..?

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Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

Google search snipershide on right side of site, all of these questions have been answered many times over. There is a ton of info on the savage as well as 338lm in general on this site
 
Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

this would be my say on the savage or rem in 338: they are a good solution if the 338 thing is just an "itch" that you need to scratch

if you actually have use for the performance offered by the lapua than a TRG or component built rifle is a vehicle more matched to the chambering

think of it this way: a component build in 338 will only be a couple hundred more than a similar quality 308 build (long action and brake) but it is when you get out to the distance that the 338 is capable of that the performance is more needed
 
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My take:

It is damn hard to honestly justify a 338. It's a lot of gun. A 300WM or 7mmRM will handle 99% of the target shooters needs. The difference is ENERGY. A 300WM can hit steel at 1500 yards (plus), but the 338 will smoke a moose at 1500.

Recoil... a lot. Even with a great brake, force STILL = mass*acceleration, and a 300gr bullet at 2750+ causes recoil. My TRG with NEAR brake rattles my brain a little. I find a 50 round course of fire to be somewhat fatiguing.

I love my TRG, but it is honestly WAY more rifle than I need. My 284s trajectory is damn close to the 338, and a lot easier and cheaper to shoot.
 
Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: George63</div><div class="ubbcode-body">this would be my say on the savage or rem in 338: they are a good solution if the 338 thing is just an "itch" that you need to scratch

if you actually have use for the performance offered by the lapua than a TRG or component built rifle is a vehicle more matched to the chambering

think of it this way: a component build in 338 will only be a couple hundred more than a similar quality 308 build (long action and brake) but it is when you get out to the distance that the 338 is capable of that the performance is more needed </div></div>

I have a virtually unlimited range (pic below) so that isn't an issue but the cost of reloading the 338 is going to be far more of a preventative issue than say my 308. So like my .50, I'm thinking it would be pretty limited and just a fun once in a while gun, that and I have a Nightforce begging to be mounted to something. Thanks for the advice, I appreciate it.

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Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turbo54</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My take:

It is damn hard to honestly justify a 338. It's a lot of gun. A 300WM or 7mmRM will handle 99% of the target shooters needs. The difference is ENERGY. A 300WM can hit steel at 1500 yards (plus), but the 338 will smoke a moose at 1500.

Recoil... a lot. Even with a great brake, force STILL = mass*acceleration, and a 300gr bullet at 2750+ causes recoil. My TRG with NEAR brake rattles my brain a little. I find a 50 round course of fire to be somewhat fatiguing.

I love my TRG, but it is honestly WAY more rifle than I need. My 284s trajectory is damn close to the 338, and a lot easier and cheaper to shoot. </div></div>

Turbo, thanks man. Gives me some good food for thought. Your 284 is a 284 Win right?
 
Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

on the above post - for 284/other 7mm chamberings: the 175 SMK 7mm does not get the attention it merits -- it is not exotic, overpriced or hard to load for -- but beats the BC of 250 grain 338 projectiles

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some parts of my posts from other 338 threads:


Originally Posted By: Lee Blackman
If someone could give me the actual function of dollar to MOA performace, that would be just fine to


ok lets take a stab at this: lets say for an equal shooter and all with good factory or handload ammo at 600 yds

to me these are the practical alternatives:

bare bones set up: savage or rem, 1K scope, basic rings, bipod, etc 2500 total--- 3/4 - 1 moa

TRG fully equipped with brake, bipod, good rings, 2K scope-6500 total-----------1/2 moa


component built single shot with a good basic set up, 2K scope - 6500 total -------------1/4 -1/2 moa

component cadillac build: magazine fed, atlas bipod, plenty of extra magazines, 3K scope, nice case to hold it all----10,000 total--1/4-1/2moa

AIAW fully set up, 3K scope------------------11,000 total-----------------1/2 moa----WARNING-if you pull up to the range in a hummer and pull this out everyone will think you are compensating for a small weiner!

so you see, like always a diminishing return of precision per $ spent on the rifle

the point you are missing (why I bring up the price of ammo) the real cost of any rifle is always the ammo

In this comparison all systems had the same ammo cost, if you actually shoot the 338 (which mostly no one does) lets say 5000 rds over 5 years with any of the systems you will have 7000 in ammo/barrel costs and the depreciation of all the systems will be similar: 2500-3000 as the basic setups will need breakage repairs/scope replacements while the high end systems are unlikely to break but will still loose value

so if you are going to shoot 50 rds, let it sit for 2 yrs and sell it a basic set up makes sense, if you actually use it, the long term cost of the mid priced alternatives with 1/2 moa expectations is about the same as the low end with 1 moa expectations

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about recoil:

TRG with the brake is similar to my buddies 300WM without a brake, stiff but not ridiculous, worst I had was a 300 rem ultra mag with a sporter profile barrel

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about cost of use:


338 calculations for my cost of use
once fired brass 1.50 -----------------.17
300 SMK ---------------------------.50-------- (with 250 gr blem bullets @ .15 less)
powder by the 8lb--------------------.25
primer-----------------------------.05
barrel wear-------------------------.33
total-------------------------------1.30 per squeeze-------about the same as shooting 308 with FGMM---- realistically nowhere near that 5.00 mark

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when you really get down to the hard numbers the 338 does not have to be that expensive to shoot -- I would expect barrel burners like 7mm STW or rum would actually end up more per squeeze
 
Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

I have a TRG42 in 338LM. I find that when you do take it out to shoot it is purposeful shooting not just plinking like you would do with 22lr-308 calibers. I use HSM loaded SMK's on new Lapua brass. It runs $3.65 a round. I can send off the once fired and get it repilled for $2.35 a round.. It is "really" not that expensive to shoot.. In fact per session I shot more $$$ worth of Federal GMM ammo through my M1A SuperMatch than I have my Sako..

Rick
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: High Binder</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

Turbo, thanks man. Gives me some good food for thought. Your 284 is a 284 Win right? </div></div>

That's right, 284Win. Trajectory and wind drift hangs pretty close with the 338 launching 300s - and it's not even a magnum!

A 7RSAUM or 7WSM or 7-300WSM (etc etc etc) makes for a pretty darned "reasonable" do-all rifle. Really, the 284 does also, but the magnums certainly have more horsepower for ELR use. Don't be afraid of a 7RMag either. Seriously underrated cartridge! Or 280 or 280AI! So many reasonable choices, to me, makes the 338 almost a novelty for anything but serious ELR or the need to take out a bad guy at range. For paper and steel its really just overkill.
 
Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

Buy Lapua brass...Hornady will stick in the chamber, break shell holders on your press, and cause some swearing.

I was around 2,650fps with 87gr of RL-25 behind 300 Berger Gen II Hybrids, shot them out to 1k. US 869 had good speed but would not group. Trying H-1000 next, I see there is an accuracy node between 90-91.5gr should be good for 2725ish fps...Bunch of Savages out there running this powder..clean burning too.

The 9 twist in this rifle is ideal for the 300 Bergers, they can hit 2,400 yards out since they remain stable past transonic speeds. Sea Level & 2750fps keep them supersonic for 1,800 yards. Be sure to get a scope with a bunch of clicks and a 30-40 MOA base to lob that rainbow.

This gun has a ruthless muzzle brake, hits like a 308 bolt gun (no brake), just don't tell the person on the side of you that : )

 
Re: Savage 338 Lapua and general questions

If anyone is interested, I load tested this weekend with my BA 110....I used Federal Match Large Magnum Primers, HSM Brass, A COAL of 3.750", and the best load was 89 grains of H1000...Oh yeah I was using Berger 300 grain Gen 2 Hybrids..I was just trying to get good grouping at 100 yards so the tell tale is when I go back out to 1K plus. I shot two 5 round groups starting with a cold/clean bore....first group the first two were about half inch from the next three that were touching each other....the next five round group was smaller that a nickle...I started with 88 grains and went up to 92.5 grains in half grain increments...I do not currently own a chronograph, but Im not too concerned, as most of my shots will be to 1K down to 300 yards...