Re: Sbr engraving
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LocoGringo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: springer01</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LocoGringo</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: springer01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">From what I have read and seem to understand the name, city and state of the "maker" (form 1 applicant) of the firearm (complete firearm not just lower receiver) must be engraved somewhere visible on the firearm. Whether it be barrel, lower, upper, trigger guard doesn't matter. The SBR is the complete firearm not just the lower not just the upper or barrel it is when all these are put together. If have an 8" barrel in my safe it isn't an NFA item nor is a complete lower. Now when I put the barrel, lower, and upper together = SBR.... my .02
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Also follow the Orion Arms link down the page to other SBRs and see barrel and upper receiver engravings also. Not on ar's, but SBR all the same. </div></div>I think your understanding is incorrect. The Orion page has SPECIFIC locations where they will engrave for an SBR and they are ALL on the LOWER. Other firearms have no bearing on the discussion if we are talking about an AR-15 or AR-10 type platform. It is illegal to possess a SBR upper if you do not have a registered SBR lower OR pistol lower when talking about AR-15s.
You need to be more careful when handing out "advice". Someone might believe you and get into a lot of trouble.</div></div>
Maybe you should follow your own "advice", because it is perfectly legal to own 100 SBR uppers as long as you haven't got a lower. And what difference does is make if it is an AR or a SIG 556 an SBR is an SBR. Besides most semi auto rifles are pretty similar consisting of a upper, lower, barrel, and stock. And most importantly I never "advised" anyone of what or how to do something. I stated this is how I (meaning me, and myself only), understood this process. This is a discussion on SBR engraving and I am discussing it like everyone else not advising anyone on what to do!
Also rereading Orion Arms site it only says that these are STANDARD engraving locations not "SPECIFIC" locations as you stated. So again your "advice" is also wrong..... </div></div><span style="color: #FF0000">Not going to get into a pissing match with you</span>, but apparently you didn't read the post before your newest one where I acknowledge my mistake about having a fully assembled AR or lower in your possession making it illegal to have a SBR upper.
The reason the type of rifle has bearing is because of the construction and design of the rifle. The serial number on all AR's that I know of is on the lower (specifically, left side magwell) which is why the <span style="text-decoration: underline">lower</span> has to be registered as an SBR lower. You can engrave anywhere you want, but <span style="color: #FF0000">it has to also be engraved on the same part the serial number is stamped or engraved </span>(I assume so that the info will not be separated such as a lower/upper can be) which is why I'm interested in knowing if it truly is legal to have the Form 1 info engraved on the trigger guard because the guard is so easily removed. If you want to engrave every part of your SBR, go ahead and knock yourself out. As for me, I don't want to spend the extra money when it isn't necessary. I just want to fulfill the minimum necessary to follow the law and keep things legal. However, I don't like the idea of engraving the lower with my name and location permanently if another option that is legal is available (trigger guard). Maybe one day it will get passed on to my son and <span style="color: #FF0000">upon legal transfer, he can simply change the trigger guard and my name will not be anywhere on the rifle</span>. </div></div>
1.Good idea, and when you call someone out what do you expect?
2. Where does the ATF state this? Directly from ATF FAQ ...While a receiver alone may be classified as a “firearm” under the Gun Control Act (GCA), SBRs and SBSs are classified in totality under the National Firearms Act (NFA). A firearm that meets the definition of a SBR consists of a rifle that has a barrel less than 16 inches in length.
3. Your info will have to stay regardless if it is still an SBR because you are still the maker of said firearm.