Hunting & Fishing Scenar 6.5

[Jmilera]

Hello gents, I need help with bullet selection.
I have finished all my amax, berger bullets I own for hunting. All I have left are 139 scenars for my 260s/ 65 creed and 65saum, Had anyone used the 139 scenars on whitetail/pigs/elk ??? I cannot find availability on my usual a so this is my premise for using what I have.
Thanks
Joe

 

[Hondo64d]

I haven't used the 139s on anything but I did shoot this sow at about 125 yards a couple a week or so ago with a 155gr Scenar launched at 2865fps from my .308. Put the Scenar a little behind both shoulders. I know I can kill them quicker by putting the bullet a little farther forward, but I wanted to see how the bullet would behave. Left an exit wound a little bigger than a quarter. I can't remember ever having a VLD exit a pig. She ran about 100 yards. I've also never had a pig I shot with a VLD move more than a few feet. Guessing she weighed a little under 200 pounds. Was my impression that the Scenars are a little tougher than the VLDs I have used…

John

 

[Mark williams]

My boy shot three whitetail this season with the 139 scenar. Killed one at 440 yds, ran about 10 yards. Killed another that weighed 230 pounds at 250. It fell right there. Other one at 125 also dropped in his tracks. He's shooting a AI Ae in 260. I was rather impressed by the holes it left in them. Seem to do more damage than the 140 bergers I shoot in a 6.5x284.

 

[psinclair]

465 meters. 139gr scenar@3100. 2"exit on a broadside ribcage shot. 6.5 SAUM.

 

[psinclair]

307 meters, same rifle and load, same result.

 

[Jmilera]

Thank you all for your help gents, I will load up some scenars.
Best regards
Joe

 

[BullyDog]

On a side note, when you have a chance to purchase new reload bullets, try the Swift Scirocco. I promise you it will drop game faster than any bullet made by a company that specializes in target bullets. They make a 130gr. round for the 6.5. Were talking fist size exit holes when a shoulder is hit, plus deeper penetration than any non-bonded lead or open tipped round. Also, its made from 100% lead and not these cheap lead alloys. Meaning when expansion is initiated, the lead will flow and not just bend and break apart. Thanks. GoodLuck

Thank you all for your help gents, I will load up some scenars.
Best regards
Joe

 

[Jmilera]

How was the accuracy if the swift scirocco bullydog? I have tried them in 7mm diameters before with poor accuracy results that were over 1-1/2 moa

 

[Asperly Aimless]

On a side note, when you have a chance to purchase new reload bullets, try the Swift Scirocco. I promise you it will drop game faster than any bullet made by a company that specializes in target bullets. They make a 130gr. round for the 6.5. Were talking fist size exit holes when a shoulder is hit, plus deeper penetration than any non-bonded lead or open tipped round. Also, its made from 100% lead and not these cheap lead alloys. Meaning when expansion is initiated, the lead will flow and not just bend and break apart. Thanks. GoodLuck

That is a very large and unsubstantiated claim you have made there.

 

[BullyDog]

I'll tell you another bullet to look at also, North Fork River or something like that. You can have them custom made for your jacket thickness plus they are bonded. Accuracy wise, just play with your seating depth starting at touching the lands. Try different powders. I understand hunting only bullets tend to be less accurate but do you need to hit the deer in the eye at 400yds.??? I know my bullets man, I was shooting the Lost River Ballistics long ass bullets in my STW before people ever saw them loaded in the 408 Cheytec.... I just have a childhood obsession with terminal performance.

How was the accuracy if the swift scirocco bullydog? I have tried them in 7mm diameters before with poor accuracy results that were over 1-1/2 moa

 

[BullyDog]

We can make up some ballistic gelatin and test it out before we murder a bunch of hogs to get real world results. Then we can check out the external and internal damage made by the rounds. That's the only way I can prove it. My favorite out to 300yds hunting bullet is the "Original" Trophy Bonded Bear Claw. Started shooting them when Federal made the High Energy rounds in 270Win. 140gr. I must have been on to something, considering the Marines chose a similar design a few years ago, as their new round. Now I agree, Berger and Sierra, plus Lapua make the most consistently accurate rounds although. Its just so many guys are anal about their gear so much, I don't know why they aren't like that when it comes to the terminal performance of the bullet used as well...

That is a very large and unsubstantiated claim you have made there.

 

[BullyDog]

I put it to you this way. I hear about guys shooting and not being able to find a deer. Even my father dropped a good ten-pointer 25yds. away and it puddled a foot and half puddle of good dark blood. But when some dog hunters dogs caught up to it, it jumped up an ran off. I trailed it until the blood trail ended, with no deer. I still say someone stole that deer!!! Anyway I said all that because, I have never, not found my deer. It's because of bullet selection and shot placement. Does a surgeon use instruments that don't perform the best??? Okay! Be a surgeon about your killing, be precise. I subscribe to this theory: Fast expanding bullets always for close and far away( you want fast transfer of that energy to body), but the bullet has to have a balance not to over expand and loose penetration or fragment. You want that bullet to keep going as fast as possible to shock the organs. Not slow, to just punch a hole threw. Arrows do that and only kill by non- hemorrhaging ( they bleed out.) I like to lay the smack down, you could say...

 

[BullyDog]

Anyway, all I'm trying to do is get you to ponder some. I hoped I helped a little. Thanks, BullyDog

 

[Jmilera]

Thanks bullydog I will look Into the 130 man thanks
Joe

 

[MikeeBooshay]

We've done a lot of bullet testing - over a dozen types, on real critters, at real distances, over a hundred whitetail, over several hundred over a few years data collection.

Bullet placement is more important than bullet type. Not by a little bit either. Unless you are talking DG type stuff in Africa, bullet placement trumps brand, every, single, time. No magic bullet kills with a gut shot, pretty much everything delivered to "the spot" does the job.

 

[psinclair]

We've done a lot of bullet testing - over a dozen types, on real critters, at real distances, over a hundred whitetail, over several hundred over a few years data collection.

Bullet placement is more important than bullet type. Not by a little bit either. Unless you are talking DG type stuff in Africa, bullet placement trumps brand, every, single, time. No magic bullet kills with a gut shot, pretty much everything delivered to "the spot" does the job.

Bingo....

 

[agsf2010]

Spot on!

We've done a lot of bullet testing - over a dozen types, on real critters, at real distances, over a hundred whitetail, over several hundred over a few years data collection.

Bullet placement is more important than bullet type. Not by a little bit either. Unless you are talking DG type stuff in Africa, bullet placement trumps brand, every, single, time. No magic bullet kills with a gut shot, pretty much everything delivered to "the spot" does the job.