I've got an SR9 (.308) with HK91 stocks and all the accessories. I've been thinking about selling it and getting a more modern, accurate, and lighter .308 semi-auto. Any thoughts on this? I consider the HK more of a collectors gun than a "working" rifle and im not really into safe queens. Any thoughts on this? Are the "modern" rifles that much better? I've got no experience with any other semi .308 so any feedback would be appreciated. Thanks.
Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
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Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
Pull that H&K out of the safe and put it to work. You might be surprised how accurate the HK is with some good quality ammo if you do your part. Mine will usually shoot around 1 moa or better.
Pull that H&K out of the safe and put it to work. You might be surprised how accurate the HK is with some good quality ammo if you do your part. Mine will usually shoot around 1 moa or better.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
No way would I sell a SR9 to buy an ar308. That was one of my biggest regrets selling off my SR9T. These are more than capable platforms with quality match ammo. Locate you a PSG1 trigger pack for it and it will really show off for you. Plus these babies only increase in value! Only down side is they love to destroy brass, goes along with all the H&K platforms.
No way would I sell a SR9 to buy an ar308. That was one of my biggest regrets selling off my SR9T. These are more than capable platforms with quality match ammo. Locate you a PSG1 trigger pack for it and it will really show off for you. Plus these babies only increase in value! Only down side is they love to destroy brass, goes along with all the H&K platforms.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
The SR9 models are not as collectible as some of the other ones, so unless it's in like new condition with all the collectible stuff, I'd suggest putting an original HK collapseable stock on it and having fun with it.
If you want a really accurate .308 however, it's the AR-10 all the way. (Like the new GAP/POF)
The SR9 models are not as collectible as some of the other ones, so unless it's in like new condition with all the collectible stuff, I'd suggest putting an original HK collapseable stock on it and having fun with it.
If you want a really accurate .308 however, it's the AR-10 all the way. (Like the new GAP/POF)
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
If you aren't shooting past 600Y, then replace the front hand guard with a KAC rail or similar (one that doesn't pinch the barrel) with a bipod, mount an HK Claw optics mount and a good scope, and then get a decent rear stock and see how it shoots.
I haven't seen an SR9 that wouldn't stack 168s on top of each other if they were set-up right. I'd argue that most who say SR9s can't shoot don't have them set-up to shoot consistently because developing a repeatable shooting position with them is tough. On the good side, SR9s are also much softer guns to shoot than any of the 308 ARs (even though an SR25 gets close). I don't think you are going to gain anything with a SCAR over an SR9 other than easier optics mounting.
Best scopes with SR9 for long range will be the ST-10 or S&B 3-12 or fixed, and the smaller IORs because you will need a short scope to clear the front cocking handle while giving you enough eye relief on the back.
Can't help you with the butchered brass and filthy internals.
If you aren't shooting past 600Y, then replace the front hand guard with a KAC rail or similar (one that doesn't pinch the barrel) with a bipod, mount an HK Claw optics mount and a good scope, and then get a decent rear stock and see how it shoots.
I haven't seen an SR9 that wouldn't stack 168s on top of each other if they were set-up right. I'd argue that most who say SR9s can't shoot don't have them set-up to shoot consistently because developing a repeatable shooting position with them is tough. On the good side, SR9s are also much softer guns to shoot than any of the 308 ARs (even though an SR25 gets close). I don't think you are going to gain anything with a SCAR over an SR9 other than easier optics mounting.
Best scopes with SR9 for long range will be the ST-10 or S&B 3-12 or fixed, and the smaller IORs because you will need a short scope to clear the front cocking handle while giving you enough eye relief on the back.
Can't help you with the butchered brass and filthy internals.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
You may be the one and only person that I have EVER heard refer to the HK91/SR9 series rifles as "collectors guns"/"safe queens" and NOT "working rifles!!" That is some funny stuff right there, my friend!
Trust me when I say that the HKs are built for utter reliability, hard duty and reasonable accuracy. Yes, some people "collect" them, but personally, I shoot the hell out of all of mine (and they are still worth considerably more than I paid for them years ago).
As to your questions re: the SR9...the biggest drawcacks of anything in the HK91/SR9 series rifles are: 1) the difficulty in properly mounting optics; 2) the terrible factory trigger packs; 3) lack of a free-floating barrel which can cause accuracy problems depending on how you are setup and how you are shooting the rifle; and 4) a complete lack of aftermarket support to get the rifle fitted to you the shooter and your specific needs. (With ALL of that said, I wouldn't part with my SR9TC or my MSG-90 clone if you beat me to death with them).
As for optics, you are stuck with a claw lock mount which puts the optics closer to the moon than the barrel (clear the rear sight) which necessitates a cheek riser or adj. stock, OR you have to go with a picatinny rail adapter, rings, etc. Either way, there are mounting difficulties that can be overcome, but they are still not as secure or as ideal as a forged picatinny rail built in to the receiver (such as with an AR/308 type rifle). The other issue is that you are limited to the length and bell size on any scope you chose for the SR9 because of possible interference with the cocking lever. If you go too long (over 13" or so) or you go with a large bell scope, you can have problems.
As for "destroying" brass...this is one of the most overstated and easily remedied issues with the HK91/SR9 rifles with the addition of a $30 port buffer. I shoot good reloads from my rifles all the time and with a port buffer installed, the brass does not take anywhere near the beating it would in a rifle not equipped with the buffer. I reuse 99% of the brass I recover from shooting my HK rifles/clones for multiple reloads.
Now, as for accuracy...I will respectfully disagree with some of the other posters who claim that MOA or better accuracy with the basic SR9 rifles is the norm. From my experiences with the platform and across the board with the SR9s, the basic models will achieve 1.5MOA or so with quality ammo (not surplus) and with a shooter that knows what they are doing. The SR9T and SR9TC variants are MOA or slightly better capable because of the vastly improved PSG1 trigger packs, as well as the more ergonomic stocks/grips that give a much better fit/hold to the shooter that further enhances accuracy potential.
Personally, I would keep the SR9 and do the following. First and foremost, get a Bill Springfield trigger job done on it! Bill's triggers are just night and day compared to the gritty, heavy, generally rough battle-rifle trigger found in the stock SR9. An improved trigger can greatly improve the performance of your rifle and give you a fighting chance at better accuracy.
http://www.triggerwork.net/hk9xrifles.html
Second, you are going to have to mount a scope to wring the most accuracy out of the rifle (especially at extended ranges). I recommend getting one of the MFI picatinny rail adapters, along with a set of rings that will give you the proper height with whichever scope you select, and a low-power variable (2-7x, 3-9x, 2.5-10x or 3.5-10x) or fixed power (6x or 10x) scope. There are some great values out there right now, including the Bushnell Elite 10x which will work on the SR9 in terms of length/bell size. Check out SWFA or some of the other optics dealer/site sponsors here for more scope options...just remember to keep in smaller/shorter (40mm obj or so and no longer than around 13" at most). All the Bushnell Elite 4200 (and some other models) are on clearance right now at most all retailers and they have some great optics choices for your SR9. Here is a link to the MFI mount I mentioned:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Low-Profile-Scope-Mount-For-All-HK-Rifles-Pistols-118p762.htm
Here is an example of one of the great deals on 10x Bushnell Elite 3200 scopes:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=129037
Finally, get some decent ammo for testing purposes with your rifle. Federal Gold Medal Match is really the universal standard for across-the-board accuracy testing. Grab a couple boxes of 168gr loads and shoot some 5 round groups for accuracy (prone or from the bench).
All told, with a trigger job, mount/rings/optic and some good ammo...you'll be out <$500 or so and you'll have a very good, roughly MOA-capable rifle on your hands. Get that SR9 out and put it to work for you!!
You may be the one and only person that I have EVER heard refer to the HK91/SR9 series rifles as "collectors guns"/"safe queens" and NOT "working rifles!!" That is some funny stuff right there, my friend!
As to your questions re: the SR9...the biggest drawcacks of anything in the HK91/SR9 series rifles are: 1) the difficulty in properly mounting optics; 2) the terrible factory trigger packs; 3) lack of a free-floating barrel which can cause accuracy problems depending on how you are setup and how you are shooting the rifle; and 4) a complete lack of aftermarket support to get the rifle fitted to you the shooter and your specific needs. (With ALL of that said, I wouldn't part with my SR9TC or my MSG-90 clone if you beat me to death with them).
As for optics, you are stuck with a claw lock mount which puts the optics closer to the moon than the barrel (clear the rear sight) which necessitates a cheek riser or adj. stock, OR you have to go with a picatinny rail adapter, rings, etc. Either way, there are mounting difficulties that can be overcome, but they are still not as secure or as ideal as a forged picatinny rail built in to the receiver (such as with an AR/308 type rifle). The other issue is that you are limited to the length and bell size on any scope you chose for the SR9 because of possible interference with the cocking lever. If you go too long (over 13" or so) or you go with a large bell scope, you can have problems.
As for "destroying" brass...this is one of the most overstated and easily remedied issues with the HK91/SR9 rifles with the addition of a $30 port buffer. I shoot good reloads from my rifles all the time and with a port buffer installed, the brass does not take anywhere near the beating it would in a rifle not equipped with the buffer. I reuse 99% of the brass I recover from shooting my HK rifles/clones for multiple reloads.
Now, as for accuracy...I will respectfully disagree with some of the other posters who claim that MOA or better accuracy with the basic SR9 rifles is the norm. From my experiences with the platform and across the board with the SR9s, the basic models will achieve 1.5MOA or so with quality ammo (not surplus) and with a shooter that knows what they are doing. The SR9T and SR9TC variants are MOA or slightly better capable because of the vastly improved PSG1 trigger packs, as well as the more ergonomic stocks/grips that give a much better fit/hold to the shooter that further enhances accuracy potential.
Personally, I would keep the SR9 and do the following. First and foremost, get a Bill Springfield trigger job done on it! Bill's triggers are just night and day compared to the gritty, heavy, generally rough battle-rifle trigger found in the stock SR9. An improved trigger can greatly improve the performance of your rifle and give you a fighting chance at better accuracy.
http://www.triggerwork.net/hk9xrifles.html
Second, you are going to have to mount a scope to wring the most accuracy out of the rifle (especially at extended ranges). I recommend getting one of the MFI picatinny rail adapters, along with a set of rings that will give you the proper height with whichever scope you select, and a low-power variable (2-7x, 3-9x, 2.5-10x or 3.5-10x) or fixed power (6x or 10x) scope. There are some great values out there right now, including the Bushnell Elite 10x which will work on the SR9 in terms of length/bell size. Check out SWFA or some of the other optics dealer/site sponsors here for more scope options...just remember to keep in smaller/shorter (40mm obj or so and no longer than around 13" at most). All the Bushnell Elite 4200 (and some other models) are on clearance right now at most all retailers and they have some great optics choices for your SR9. Here is a link to the MFI mount I mentioned:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-Low-Profile-Scope-Mount-For-All-HK-Rifles-Pistols-118p762.htm
Here is an example of one of the great deals on 10x Bushnell Elite 3200 scopes:
http://www.midwayusa.com/viewproduct/?productnumber=129037
Finally, get some decent ammo for testing purposes with your rifle. Federal Gold Medal Match is really the universal standard for across-the-board accuracy testing. Grab a couple boxes of 168gr loads and shoot some 5 round groups for accuracy (prone or from the bench).
All told, with a trigger job, mount/rings/optic and some good ammo...you'll be out <$500 or so and you'll have a very good, roughly MOA-capable rifle on your hands. Get that SR9 out and put it to work for you!!
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
i would dump the HK, the AR is a much better platfrom, more accuracte, and more modular,
with an AR platform you can run any barrel length and a number of calibers to set it up as you like.
with the hk your stuck with what you have.
the hk was the cats ass back in the 80's but today there are better options
i would dump the HK, the AR is a much better platfrom, more accuracte, and more modular,
with an AR platform you can run any barrel length and a number of calibers to set it up as you like.
with the hk your stuck with what you have.
the hk was the cats ass back in the 80's but today there are better options
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
Hmm, would love an SR9 to add to the collection........ shoot it first. It may surprise you. If you decide you don't like it, sell it. At least that way you will know. Good thing is, if you do decide to sell, the money you get for the SR9 will get you a pretty nice gun.
Hmm, would love an SR9 to add to the collection........ shoot it first. It may surprise you. If you decide you don't like it, sell it. At least that way you will know. Good thing is, if you do decide to sell, the money you get for the SR9 will get you a pretty nice gun.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
My experience was different from ORD's regarding port buffers and the rail mounts--the port buffer bounced ejected brass back into the chamber and I could never get the pic-rail mounts to hold the heavier scopes totally secure. The HK Claw mount with PIC top and low rings became my mount--and I tried a few different systems first.
Aside from those points, I agree with everything else ORD said. Particularly, you have to modify the base rifle to get it to shoot well.
My rifle started at 1.5 or worse from groups. In order, I think the items that improved my ability to shoot it were: 1) KAC front rail/bipod, 2) built-up rear stock, 3) claw mount, 4) trigger job (but I started with a PSG-1 trigger), and 5) right ammo (mine liked Federal 168s). After mods 1-4, the rifle was always MOA or better.
My experience was different from ORD's regarding port buffers and the rail mounts--the port buffer bounced ejected brass back into the chamber and I could never get the pic-rail mounts to hold the heavier scopes totally secure. The HK Claw mount with PIC top and low rings became my mount--and I tried a few different systems first.
Aside from those points, I agree with everything else ORD said. Particularly, you have to modify the base rifle to get it to shoot well.
My rifle started at 1.5 or worse from groups. In order, I think the items that improved my ability to shoot it were: 1) KAC front rail/bipod, 2) built-up rear stock, 3) claw mount, 4) trigger job (but I started with a PSG-1 trigger), and 5) right ammo (mine liked Federal 168s). After mods 1-4, the rifle was always MOA or better.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
I have owned an HK 91 and a CETME clone in the past. The platform is just not for me. Very reliable but I prefer the AR platform. They are battlefield/angle of man accurate, I just want more from my guns in the precision department. Everybody has preferences......
I have owned an HK 91 and a CETME clone in the past. The platform is just not for me. Very reliable but I prefer the AR platform. They are battlefield/angle of man accurate, I just want more from my guns in the precision department. Everybody has preferences......
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
Thanks guys. I really should shoot it more I guess, just have been into bolt guns more lately. I've had Williams do a trigger job on it that makes the trigger decent, and Ive got a decent scope in the claw mount.
The fixed rail mount seems like a good idea if it will not move. Looks like it might save some weight and lower the scope.
Where can a find the KAC forend? Does anyone have a link they can post?
I need to shoot it and see how accurate it is. 1-1.25 moa would probably make it a keeper for me.
Some of the accuracy reports from some of the .308 AR's really got me thinking about a change. I'll search for the KAC forend and go from there. Thanks again!
Thanks guys. I really should shoot it more I guess, just have been into bolt guns more lately. I've had Williams do a trigger job on it that makes the trigger decent, and Ive got a decent scope in the claw mount.
The fixed rail mount seems like a good idea if it will not move. Looks like it might save some weight and lower the scope.
Where can a find the KAC forend? Does anyone have a link they can post?
I need to shoot it and see how accurate it is. 1-1.25 moa would probably make it a keeper for me.
Some of the accuracy reports from some of the .308 AR's really got me thinking about a change. I'll search for the KAC forend and go from there. Thanks again!
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
Best is to post a WTB on HK-PRO.com for the KAC rail. A Mako G3-RS is a close approximation, but you will have to be careful with the fit to avoid pinching.
Best is to post a WTB on HK-PRO.com for the KAC rail. A Mako G3-RS is a close approximation, but you will have to be careful with the fit to avoid pinching.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CubeWarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best is to post a WTB on HK-PRO.com for the KAC rail.
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+1 on this! HKPro is about the best outlet, but be advised...when they become available, they don't last long and they don't come cheap. Since KAC discontinued these (its been quite a while ago now), prices have skyrocketed and availability has become non-existent. You may also have luck keeping a watchful eye on GunBroker, etc., as well as trying a WTB post here on the Hide.
I would avoid the Mako products like the plague. They market their company as a purveyor of quality aftermarket parts and accessories, but from what I have seen of their lineup, it is cheaply mfg'd chicom junk more suitable for the airsoft marketplace and certainly nothing worth the $300+ you are going to have to pay for their G3/HK91 rail system.
Again, it is worth putting the rifle through its paces to determine if you have a keeper. If you invest a little in match ammo and you find that the accuracy is just totally unacceptable for your purposes, you should be able to easily sell the SR9 with all of its mags/mounts/optics/accessories and step into very nice .308 AR-platform rifle of your chosing. Then, if you go that route, you are in for the BIG question...which one of the 20+ different manufacturers' rifles do I buy now?!?!
Good luck and give a shout if you need any help or addt'l info!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: CubeWarrior</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Best is to post a WTB on HK-PRO.com for the KAC rail.
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+1 on this! HKPro is about the best outlet, but be advised...when they become available, they don't last long and they don't come cheap. Since KAC discontinued these (its been quite a while ago now), prices have skyrocketed and availability has become non-existent. You may also have luck keeping a watchful eye on GunBroker, etc., as well as trying a WTB post here on the Hide.
I would avoid the Mako products like the plague. They market their company as a purveyor of quality aftermarket parts and accessories, but from what I have seen of their lineup, it is cheaply mfg'd chicom junk more suitable for the airsoft marketplace and certainly nothing worth the $300+ you are going to have to pay for their G3/HK91 rail system.
Again, it is worth putting the rifle through its paces to determine if you have a keeper. If you invest a little in match ammo and you find that the accuracy is just totally unacceptable for your purposes, you should be able to easily sell the SR9 with all of its mags/mounts/optics/accessories and step into very nice .308 AR-platform rifle of your chosing. Then, if you go that route, you are in for the BIG question...which one of the 20+ different manufacturers' rifles do I buy now?!?!
Good luck and give a shout if you need any help or addt'l info!
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
If I'm not mistaken the original H&K 91(at least the one I have) has a fluted chamber and it does mangle the brass pretty bad, not from the extraction but from firing. These new clones may not have that fluted barrel so brass from them is usable other than possible ejection dents and that may be remedied with a port buffer as stated above.
JM2C
** I'm with you DocGlenn, I've been mulling over selling mine and getting a SCAR Heavy.
If I'm not mistaken the original H&K 91(at least the one I have) has a fluted chamber and it does mangle the brass pretty bad, not from the extraction but from firing. These new clones may not have that fluted barrel so brass from them is usable other than possible ejection dents and that may be remedied with a port buffer as stated above.
JM2C
** I'm with you DocGlenn, I've been mulling over selling mine and getting a SCAR Heavy.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
I purchased my first HK 91 back in the 80's when I was 19 years old and still consider it one of my favorite weapons. It has a PSG1 trigger, stock and grip on it and shoots like a champ. That said, I recently purchased a SCAR 17 and can honestly say that I love the fact that it weighs in at only eight pounds. Go for the SCAR!
I purchased my first HK 91 back in the 80's when I was 19 years old and still consider it one of my favorite weapons. It has a PSG1 trigger, stock and grip on it and shoots like a champ. That said, I recently purchased a SCAR 17 and can honestly say that I love the fact that it weighs in at only eight pounds. Go for the SCAR!
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
Bimota,
Nice looking rifles! what kind of accuarcy are you getting out of your SCAR17? The lighter weight also appeals to me.
Bimota,
Nice looking rifles! what kind of accuarcy are you getting out of your SCAR17? The lighter weight also appeals to me.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
Thanks! With a Trijicon Accupoint 5-20 and during the only session I was able to take it out, I averaged right at 1inch groups at 100 yards. The Trijicon Scope worked flawlessly but my rest was not as stable as it could have been. Due to the design of the muzzle brake/flash hider, it is rather loud and I intend to suppress it soon. The trigger is not exactly where I want it to be as the PSG1 trigger has me a little spoiled.
I can’t say enough about the light weight of the rifle though. My HK-91 and my Springfield Model 21 are both bulky and heavy. Both great guns though! I just like the light weight (the same reason I like my Steyr Scout). I recently obtained a Zeis Victory 6-24 with illuminated reticle as shown in the photo. It’s a nice piece of glass and I’m looking forward to dialing the thing in. I’m hoping that the trigger from the newer long range version SCAR that is due to be out will become available so that I can install one in mine.
Thanks! With a Trijicon Accupoint 5-20 and during the only session I was able to take it out, I averaged right at 1inch groups at 100 yards. The Trijicon Scope worked flawlessly but my rest was not as stable as it could have been. Due to the design of the muzzle brake/flash hider, it is rather loud and I intend to suppress it soon. The trigger is not exactly where I want it to be as the PSG1 trigger has me a little spoiled.
I can’t say enough about the light weight of the rifle though. My HK-91 and my Springfield Model 21 are both bulky and heavy. Both great guns though! I just like the light weight (the same reason I like my Steyr Scout). I recently obtained a Zeis Victory 6-24 with illuminated reticle as shown in the photo. It’s a nice piece of glass and I’m looking forward to dialing the thing in. I’m hoping that the trigger from the newer long range version SCAR that is due to be out will become available so that I can install one in mine.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: drmarc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I'm not mistaken the original H&K 91(at least the one I have) has a fluted chamber and it does mangle the brass pretty bad, not from the extraction but from firing. These new clones may not have that fluted barrel so brass from them is usable other than possible ejection dents and that may be remedied with a port buffer as stated above.
JM2C
** I'm with you DocGlenn, I've been mulling over selling mine and getting a SCAR Heavy.</div></div>
My HK91 leaves VERY pronounced fluting with heavy black stains that are very difficult to polish off. I have the ejection port buffer but am considering removing it and tossing the brass.
Why not just have both?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: drmarc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I'm not mistaken the original H&K 91(at least the one I have) has a fluted chamber and it does mangle the brass pretty bad, not from the extraction but from firing. These new clones may not have that fluted barrel so brass from them is usable other than possible ejection dents and that may be remedied with a port buffer as stated above.
JM2C
** I'm with you DocGlenn, I've been mulling over selling mine and getting a SCAR Heavy.</div></div>
My HK91 leaves VERY pronounced fluting with heavy black stains that are very difficult to polish off. I have the ejection port buffer but am considering removing it and tossing the brass.
Why not just have both?
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
I'd love to have both, but I'm trying to save some money and as crazy as it sounds, I'm trying to reduce the quanity of rifles that I have and improve quality. I've decided if it doesn't shoot MOA or better it's gone. From what I've seen, I could sell my SR9 and all the accesories and come pretty close to covering the cost of a GAP AR10. I think the SCAR17 is a great rifle, but I don't think it is going to meet my 1 MOA requirement. Besides, it's fun to try new stuff!
I'd love to have both, but I'm trying to save some money and as crazy as it sounds, I'm trying to reduce the quanity of rifles that I have and improve quality. I've decided if it doesn't shoot MOA or better it's gone. From what I've seen, I could sell my SR9 and all the accesories and come pretty close to covering the cost of a GAP AR10. I think the SCAR17 is a great rifle, but I don't think it is going to meet my 1 MOA requirement. Besides, it's fun to try new stuff!
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DocGlenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd love to have both, but I'm trying to save some money and as crazy as it sounds, I'm trying to reduce the quanity of rifles that I have and improve quality. I've decided if it doesn't shoot MOA or better it's gone. From what I've seen, I could sell my SR9 and all the accesories and come pretty close to covering the cost of a GAP AR10. I think the SCAR17 is a great rifle, but I don't think it is going to meet my 1 MOA requirement. Besides, it's fun to try new stuff!</div></div>
You can't reduce somewhere else? Just seems like a shame to give that one up. I could understand if it was an AK, SKS or variant of.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: DocGlenn</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd love to have both, but I'm trying to save some money and as crazy as it sounds, I'm trying to reduce the quanity of rifles that I have and improve quality. I've decided if it doesn't shoot MOA or better it's gone. From what I've seen, I could sell my SR9 and all the accesories and come pretty close to covering the cost of a GAP AR10. I think the SCAR17 is a great rifle, but I don't think it is going to meet my 1 MOA requirement. Besides, it's fun to try new stuff!</div></div>
You can't reduce somewhere else? Just seems like a shame to give that one up. I could understand if it was an AK, SKS or variant of.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BimotaBiker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I purchased my first HK 91 back in the 80's when I was 19 years old and still consider it one of my favorite weapons. It has a PSG1 trigger, stock and grip on it and shoots like a champ. That said, I recently purchased a SCAR 17 and can honestly say that I love the fact that it weighs in at only eight pounds. Go for the SCAR!
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Surely, you did not mean it weighs in at 8# set up as pictured...
What is the pictured weight?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BimotaBiker</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I purchased my first HK 91 back in the 80's when I was 19 years old and still consider it one of my favorite weapons. It has a PSG1 trigger, stock and grip on it and shoots like a champ. That said, I recently purchased a SCAR 17 and can honestly say that I love the fact that it weighs in at only eight pounds. Go for the SCAR!
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Surely, you did not mean it weighs in at 8# set up as pictured...
What is the pictured weight?
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
I never owned a HK91 but friend had 3 of them, they might as well have been mine I shot them just as much as he did (1000s of rounds). If your wanting to get into somthing modern I say save up and buy one and keep the HK.
With that being said I would only keep it if I owned a (quality) modern rifle like the MA Ten, LMT, Larue, SCAR or the LWRC. The new rifles are designed much better than the HK91 and the recoil is a lot lighter than the HK and M1A, plus you dont give up that much if anything in reliability to the HK. At least thats the case with my LMT MWS
I never owned a HK91 but friend had 3 of them, they might as well have been mine I shot them just as much as he did (1000s of rounds). If your wanting to get into somthing modern I say save up and buy one and keep the HK.
With that being said I would only keep it if I owned a (quality) modern rifle like the MA Ten, LMT, Larue, SCAR or the LWRC. The new rifles are designed much better than the HK91 and the recoil is a lot lighter than the HK and M1A, plus you dont give up that much if anything in reliability to the HK. At least thats the case with my LMT MWS
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Surely, you did not mean it weighs in at 8# set up as pictured...
What is the pictured weight?</div></div>
11.4 pounds as pictured!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Surely, you did not mean it weighs in at 8# set up as pictured...
What is the pictured weight?</div></div>
11.4 pounds as pictured!
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: drmarc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I'm not mistaken the original H&K 91(at least the one I have) has a fluted chamber and it does mangle the brass pretty bad, not from the extraction but from firing. These new clones may not have that fluted barrel so brass from them is usable other than possible ejection dents and that may be remedied with a port buffer as stated above.
JM2C
** I'm with you DocGlenn, I've been mulling over selling mine and getting a SCAR Heavy. </div></div>
I have been asleep at the wheel or just missed this post re: reloading woes with the HK91/SR9 type rifles with fluted chambers. Unless you are running very hot loads, really high pressures, or very soft brass...the flute marks that you get with these rifles are simply carbon fouling and of zero consequence in terms of reloading (other than perhaps some additional cleaning time/effort). As I said, I run a port buffer on my rifles and while brass in any of these types of rifles comes out dirty as all hell, my brass is otherwise in very good, serviceable/reloadable condition. Now, if your brass is getting pronounced raised ridges from the flutes, you could have problems reloading the brass, but this would be the exception, not the rule in my experience, for the bulk of ammo fired through these rifles. I full-length size ALL brass fired from any of my semi-auto rifles as well, which will resolve minor raised portions in your brass if you get them from the fluted chambers, but if you are getting any signification deformation of your brass...best to junk it and start fresh with other brass.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: drmarc</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If I'm not mistaken the original H&K 91(at least the one I have) has a fluted chamber and it does mangle the brass pretty bad, not from the extraction but from firing. These new clones may not have that fluted barrel so brass from them is usable other than possible ejection dents and that may be remedied with a port buffer as stated above.
JM2C
** I'm with you DocGlenn, I've been mulling over selling mine and getting a SCAR Heavy. </div></div>
I have been asleep at the wheel or just missed this post re: reloading woes with the HK91/SR9 type rifles with fluted chambers. Unless you are running very hot loads, really high pressures, or very soft brass...the flute marks that you get with these rifles are simply carbon fouling and of zero consequence in terms of reloading (other than perhaps some additional cleaning time/effort). As I said, I run a port buffer on my rifles and while brass in any of these types of rifles comes out dirty as all hell, my brass is otherwise in very good, serviceable/reloadable condition. Now, if your brass is getting pronounced raised ridges from the flutes, you could have problems reloading the brass, but this would be the exception, not the rule in my experience, for the bulk of ammo fired through these rifles. I full-length size ALL brass fired from any of my semi-auto rifles as well, which will resolve minor raised portions in your brass if you get them from the fluted chambers, but if you are getting any signification deformation of your brass...best to junk it and start fresh with other brass.
Re: Sell an H&K to buy .308 AR or SCAR17?
If you are looking into the SCAR, fondle one first before buying one. Currently at buyer's remorse on the SCAR. Feels like an airsoft gun.
If you are looking into the SCAR, fondle one first before buying one. Currently at buyer's remorse on the SCAR. Feels like an airsoft gun.
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