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Senseless shooting very close to home.

ArcticLight

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Mar 27, 2003
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Ya know we had an officer involved shooting and all of the perps friends and familiy talked about how this kid was turning his life around, so that has gotten to be a big joke of late when a perp dies.
That perp had enough meth in him that he was walking dead, legally dead.

This perp - nobody knows why yet but I grew up just up the street and still have friends over there..

Senseless violence. Happened so quick that no armed citizen would have been able to do anything.

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PORT ORCHARD, Wash. – A shootout in front of a Walmart in Washington state left two people dead and two sheriff's deputies wounded Sunday afternoon, a sheriff's spokesman said.

One of the dead was a man who shot at deputies, said Scott Wilson of the Kitsap County Sheriff's Office. The other victim was a young woman who died after she was taken to a Tacoma hospital, he said.

The deputies' wounds did not appear life-threatening, Wilson said.

Details were sketchy Sunday evening, but the sheriff's office received a call about a suspicious person at the store in Port Orchard, Wilson said. The man ran and started shooting when three deputies tried to talk to him, he said.

The deputies, including the two men who were wounded, returned fire, Wilson said.

Witness Ray Bourge told KOMO-TV that he saw a man running through the parking lot toward nearby woods, firing his gun back toward the store.

"Right behind him there was an officer chasing him, and he began to open fire," Bourge said.

The officer was about 30 to 40 feet behind the suspect when he started firing, Bourge said.

"Five or six shots were fired. ... I just went and took cover," he said.

Witness Victor Meyers told KOMO-TV that he heard the first shot, then six more in rapid succession.

"I heard one shot, which I thought was a car backfiring, and then several more reported back, which I knew to be gunfire," Meyers said.

He said he saw a female deputy running toward a victim on the ground before he and other witnesses were hustled from the scene.

The man who ran from the deputies died of his wounds in the parking lot, Wilson said.

"In the first five minutes, there was already 12 police cars there and then ambulances came just as fast," witness Zach Mendiola told KING-TV.

Wilson said no other suspects were involved in the incident, which began at about 3:45 p.m. He didn't know whether the woman and the man who were killed knew each other. Those two haven't been identified and the deputies' names haven't been released.

The store was immediately locked down. Customers in the store were being allowed to leave after investigators questioned them, and the store closed for the night, Wilson said.

The investigation "is real basic right now," he said, adding that officers don't know why the man fled and began firing.

"The big question of why is unanswered now," he said.

Port Orchard, the county seat with about 8,250 residents, is about 15 miles west of Seattle across Puget Sound.


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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

"The big question of why is unanswered now," </div></div>

At some point in history (circa 1700s) we became obsessed with understanding what motivated a person to do what they did. The change came along a while back and is detailed in a book called Panopticon, a book detailing more effective prison systems but in doing so also keyed in on how people behave when they think they are being watched vs not. I digress, I'm sick and tired of wondering why people do the things they do. Does it really matter, either way the focus should be on these poor people not on why some asshole shot innocent people. I hate it when the focus on punishment is lost in favor of understanding, granted the perp in this situation is dead so make of it what you will but in general the system is losing focus on what is really important. Artic sorry to vent (spew) in your thread but I don't understand why we allow the system to be morphed from what it should be.
 
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We need to know why so we can deal with o thers in the same situation.

What if he's a Veteran recently back from Afghanistan?
They will want to kn ow why to prevent more of this.

It was likely a meth user as they said he was acting funky and that is WHY the cops came.

I'm glad the cops dispatched him but someone, either LE, or the suspect, took out an innocent bystander, a teen age girl...

It's on national news now...
 
Re: Senseless shooting very close to home.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">We need to know why so we can deal with o thers in the same situation.

What if he's a Veteran recently back from Afghanistan?
They will want to kn ow why to prevent more of this.</div></div>

That could lead to a slippery slope that ends at profiling and even false imprisonment. By attempting to get a jump on people who may perpetrate a crime in the future we would have to profile which is in-effect presuming guilt vs innocence, something our system is 'supposedly' based on. Furthermore if that was the case we have had about 300 years of this new maxim of understanding vs punishment. The severity of punishments were also documented in the aforementioned book as having gone from brutal to pathetic now focusing on a hands-off but contained and observed form of punishment and obviously observing and looking for trends in lets say 'returning vets' hasn't lead to a decrease in violence and we don't have a Minority Report yet. My whole contention is that punishments aren't harsh enough. Obviously this guys is dead but I doubt he planned on being dead. However, if he knew going into it that his punishment was going to be death I would bet he wouldn't have shot and killed these people.
 
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The perpetrator was id'd today, a 30 year old hispanic wanted in Salt Lake City.

The 13 year old victim is believed tobe a 13 year old female that ran away with him. She ran into the crossfire.

If this does not send goose bumps, whew....listen about halfway through, "Need a hookand scoop" and "3 aid cars and one DOA"...

It is believed that the woman calling for backup is the deputty taht shot the perp - So far as it's reported she took SWIFT action to save her partners, nice shooting.

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