should have bought a sako trg :(

[black_ump]

this hk stuff is killing me... both in the pocket book and the stress.

all the building and tweeking this a little bit and messing with that... and now with the scope needing to be a special length, its just over whelming.. the gun looks cool and shoots ok but for about the same money i have into it i could have got a vary nice green stocked sako trg in 308, i held one and it was vary vary sweet, put a scope rail on the thing and a nice falcon or something and your good to go unless you want the barrel threaded for a suppressor.

lol the more i think about it... the closer i get to a level 3 heart attack

 

[jasonk]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

It's never too late to go a different route.... http://www.discoverahobby.com/

 

[Veer_G]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jasonk</div><div class="ubbcode-body">It's never too late to go a different route.... http://www.discoverahobby.com/ </div></div>

Would you share that link with my admirer?

 

[MinorDamage]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...for about the same money i have into it i could have got a vary nice green stocked sako trg in 308</div></div>

Yes, you could have...

Your spelling, grammar, and punctuation is nearly giving me a heart attack.

Josh

 

[Veer_G]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

I am reminded of a scene from <span style="font-style: italic">Pulp Fiction</span>.

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: MinorDamage</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
...for about the same money i have into it i could have got a vary nice green stocked sako trg in 308</div></div>

Yes, you could have...

Your spelling, grammar, and punctuation is nearly giving me a heart attack.

Josh </div></div>


that trg is awesome.... and seems allot lighter then my msg90 clone wow my gun is so front heavy you would have to be jessie venture to stand up and shoot it, 26" barrel is just way to freaking long/heavy

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

You could probably sell your HK and get enough to get one of the TRGs (Assuming it's all real HK parts)

I was trying to make a HK91 clone into a precision target rifle myself, finally gave up after a couple years. Great battle rifle, tough as anything, but not good as a precision rifle.

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You could probably sell your HK and get enough to get one of the TRGs (Assuming it's all real HK parts)

I was trying to make a HK91 clone into a precision target rifle myself, finally gave up after a couple years. Great battle rifle, tough as anything, but not good as a precision rifle. </div></div>


i like the msg/psg rifles they are so exotic... and i though allot of you guys where bashing them for "unjust" reasons why they have the hype they do is beyond me.. i did every thing right as far as building the rifle goes every thing on it is hk... ehh iam an "hk snob" like that i guess and i dont mean that in a bad way but i though about getting a bmp msg90 stock but i wanted precision so i went with all factory parts.
the only thing that isnt factory is the barrel and scope mounting situation.

Before i call it quits i just want to try a scope with a little more magnification maybe another falcon if i dont shoot more "normal" groups i give up, i say the optics mainly cause if you cant really see it you cant hit it correct ?

if i was to do it all over again... oh would i snap up on a trg or a ssg oh and i think the sig blazer rocks too, no offense to the remmy 700 guys but i didnt go the bolt rout cause i just didnt wanna be another bolt gun on the bench... but now i see why their are mainly bolt guns on the bench lol

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

One thing you could try if you haven't already is getting a trigger job done. I've heard great things from people that had trigger pack work done by Bill Springfield and said it was a huge improvement. Bill Springfield

I've mainly played around with the 91 style models and the triggers on those really need work if you are wanting any kind of precision. (Both of mine had triggers with 10+ pulls that felt like a grinder when being pulled)

Also if you built it up yourself, you might have someone that knows HK rifles well check that all is good with the bolt/carrier/roller lock assembly, those can do crazy things to accuracy if not adjusted right. (usually affects clone versions or ones that were put together, most original HK ones in the original receiver are already good to go). I ran into that with one of the 91 clones and it made a big difference.

You could also ask over on hkpro to see if anyone has any suggestions for making them more accurate

 

[leadbullet]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

sell that HK, buy a TRG 22 and a FAL and you are done. best of both world.

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">One thing you could try if you haven't already is getting a trigger job done. I've heard great things from people that had trigger pack work done by Bill Springfield and said it was a huge improvement. Bill Springfield

I've mainly played around with the 91 style models and the triggers on those really need work if you are wanting any kind of precision. (Both of mine had triggers with 10+ pulls that felt like a grinder when being pulled)

Also if you built it up yourself, you might have someone that knows HK rifles well check that all is good with the bolt/carrier/roller lock assembly, those can do crazy things to accuracy if not adjusted right. (usually affects clone versions or ones that were put together, most original HK ones in the original receiver are already good to go). I ran into that with one of the 91 clones and it made a big difference.

You could also ask over on hkpro to see if anyone has any suggestions for making them more accurate
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i have a complete msg90 lower on the rifle so trigger pull is 2-2.5 lbs

 

[300snipe]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

OP: PLEASE USE PUNCTUATION. YOUR RUN ON SENTENCES ARE IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND. YES I AM USING CAPS ON PUPOSE.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

I'd love to see some pictures of it if you have them already posted somewhere.

You might just think about keeping that as a fun gun assuming you get it to shoot reasonably well and then get a nice TRG or AI rifle as the work horse.

I still think that if it's hitting all over the place, it's either the scope mount or the bolt/roller lock assembly.

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'd love to see some pictures of it if you have them already posted somewhere.

You might just think about keeping that as a fun gun assuming you get it to shoot reasonably well and then get a nice TRG or AI rifle as the work horse.

I still think that if it's hitting all over the place, it's either the scope mount or the bolt/roller lock assembly. </div></div>

well here is my beef with this build, first off if your scope is to long you cannot lock your bolt back, second off i feel i should have went from a 26" barrel to a 24 or 23 because 26 is just long and not only that but its a "bull" barrel and at 26 it feels vary heavy up front.

The gun must way ( and all bull shitting aside ) 14-17 lbs. every thing about the gun just is so.. well unrefined extraction is violent you get flutes in your brass ( it can be reloaded i have done it allot), idk maybe a factory gun is allot more smoother and refined and just bread and butter.

I dont have any feeding or extraction problems or any problems out side of what i am talking about when i shoot 3 shot groups ( i can post pix ) of 41 or 42.5 of 4064 i can get them in the 1.6 range at 200 but ill have those days where i just need more magnification and my groups will just suck.

iam going to make one more run at this for the next two months and if iam unhappy i will sell it, id like a trg but the tikka t3 varmint is a smooth action its nice.. the ssg is a nice rifle from what i have read.. heck maybe ill get a remmy 5r, maybe ill just take the money and burn it

 

[Outsydlooknin75]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">well here is my beef with this build, first off if your scope is to long you cannot lock your bolt back, second off i feel i should have went from a 26" barrel to a 24 or 23 because 26 is just long and not only that but its a "bull" barrel and at 26 it feels vary heavy up front. <span style="color: #FF0000"> So let me get this right, you think that 2 inches is going to make THAT big of a difference? I can see two inches being a big difference in your pants, but 2 inches on your barrel, not so much.</span>

The gun must way ( and all bull shitting aside ) 14-17 lbs. every thing about the gun just is so.. well unrefined extraction is violent you get flutes in your brass ( it can be reloaded i have done it allot), idk maybe a factory gun is allot more smoother and refined and just bread and butter. <span style="color: #FF0000"> I thought we told you before to hit the gym since the rifle weighs too much for you .... </span>

I dont have any feeding or extraction problems or any problems out side of what i am talking about when i shoot 3 shot groups ( i can post pix ) of 41 or 42.5 of 4064 i can get them in the 1.6 range at 200 but ill have those days where i just need more magnification and my groups will just suck. <span style="color: #FF0000"> Yeah thats just what you need is more magnification so your shakes will show up and you will shoot even worse. And you know 3 shots does not make a group. I suggest reading up on the group shot rules.</span>

iam going to make one more run at this for the next two months and if iam unhappy i will sell it, id like a trg but the tikka t3 varmint is a smooth action its nice.. the ssg is a nice rifle from what i have read.. heck maybe ill get a remmy 5r, maybe ill just take the money and burn it </div></div>

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

iam to lazy for the gym

 

[KYS]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iam to lazy for the gym </div></div>

I hear playing in traffic can speed up your reflexes. Try that and get back to us....

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KYS338</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: black_ump</div><div class="ubbcode-body">iam to lazy for the gym </div></div>

I hear playing in traffic can speed up your reflexes. Try that and get back to us.... </div></div>

ill get right on that

 

[W54/XM-388]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

The violent ejection is pretty much a trademark of the entire roller locked series of guns, even the hugely expensive ultimate PSG-1 tosses the shells violently out to the side & the brass gets beat up.

Realistically it is going to be a MOA gun, you might get it a bit better, but there is a reason you don't see many PSG-1 rifles or clones of them at matches, a M1A that is done up properly will easily outshoot it and a good AR-10 will do much tighter groups.

What I would suggest trying, is get a nice mechanical rest or use a lot of sandbags and set it up to be entirely free recoiling so that you are not touching the gun at all. (Basically you would put it exactly in to aimed position and use a remote trigger release to fire it, then set it back to the exact same aiming position, then repeat etc.) Then shoot 10 round groups of the ammo you loaded as well as groups with match factory ammo in a few different weights.

The main reason for doing that, is to determine what the actual accuracy potential of the gun is regardless of your skills since it is unknown if the rifle itself is not performing well.

If you are getting MOA or better than you are pretty much where you would be with that rifle and it would make a great fun gun to shoot and use, if it is significantly worse than that, then you'll have to decide if it's worth trying to make it more accurate. If your 10 round groups at 200 yards are all consistantly in a 1.6" diameter circle (as you mentioned your 3 round groups were), that is not bad with that gun and you could probably get it tightened up a bit.

On the weight, it's going to be heavy, but that is about par for the big 308 battle gun based setups, the M1A and the FAL also tend to get quite heavy once good match barrels and big scopes / fancy stocks are put on. The AR10 would lend itself to being a bit lighter. The Bolt action AIs I use are easily over 16 pounds all setup, so the weight range you mention is about right and not that out of the ordinary

 

[Witch_Doctor]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

Patiently waiting for pictures and punctuation

 

[Switchblade]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sell that HK, buy a TRG 22 and a FAL and you are done. best of both world. </div></div>

Now there's some great advice!

HK's suck. I thought they were kool but that was just the kool-aid talking. FAL's do the job better and bolt guns or big AR platforms are more accurate and easier to work on than anything HK, besides, H&K's are butt ugly anyway. The third world's cheap whore

 

[The Mechanic]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Switchblade</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: attherange</div><div class="ubbcode-body">sell that HK, buy a TRG 22 and a FAL and you are done. best of both world. </div></div>

Now there's some great advice!

HK's suck. I thought they were kool but that was just the kool-aid talking. FAL's do the job better and bolt guns or big AR platforms are more accurate and easier to work on than anything HK, besides, H&K's are butt ugly anyway. The third world's cheap whore</div></div>
Dang Switch, tell me how you really feel. You are going to make me cry. I still like my HK91 but then again I did buy it 28 years ago. I wouldn't say it is a cheap whore

 

[black_ump]

Re: should have bought a sako trg

HAHAHA