Silencer Central, if true Phuck them!
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Silencer Central’s Suppressor Lobbying Sparks Controversy Over NFA Deregulation Stance
A bombshell controversy is shaking the suppressor industry. Lobbying disclosures show Silencer Central funded efforts tied to “suppressor tax stamp conservation,” raising serious questions about whether the company quietly supports keeping silencers under the NFA.
www.ammoland.com
I have never purchased through SC. But the story is very plausible considering their business model. I would like to know more about what the lobbyist was truly selling.
The value of their business would absolutely collapse if gun mufflers were removed from the NFA, for several reasons.
No they are in the business of making money. They do that bc suppressors are complicated to acquire. Like everyone else said, it’s in their best interest to lobby against HPA.
the only way to make that money is to trample our rights?
Perhaps they need to find a new way to generate currency units.
It's definitely odd.
I assume the lobbying form has to be valid but by itself it may lack important details. It could be silencer central is lobbying the conservation legislation to push it in a particular direction .. who knows.
On the flip side the statements from Silencer Central are chock full of ambiguous, reassuring statements but I only skimmed the statements from SC so I may have missed any clarity they may have provided on the issue.
"We are not lobbying against HPA" is not exactly the same as "We are not lobbying for/against something else"
Slim possibility? Some other group calling itself "silencer central" is setting them up?
I disagree, they would be selling more suppressor, because less people have to jump through hoops for the stupid tax stamp paperwork. It's not the money, it's letting gubmt make you do extra non necessary bullshit.
That’s confused me as well. I thought they would have moved more inventory. I’ve got cash on deck for the moment these come off NFA
The suppressor market would open up, removing barriers to entry, additionally the cost of a can would decrease and you could buy them like you do ammo potentially or at the worst a firearm.
The margins would decrease greatly, as there are very healthy margins in them currently.
This is simple self preservation and greed not a Jack Reacher or Jack Ryan book.
The margins would decrease greatly, as there are very healthy margins in them currently.
This is simple self preservation and greed not a Jack Reacher or Jack Ryan book.
Ok, so I doubted....wondered how Doubloon got a copy of a lobbying disclosure form.
Welp...30 seconds of google did it: https://disclosurespreview.house.go...e},{"field":"registrant.name","order":"asc"}]
It sure seems SC has been dropping $30-50K every quarter for the past few years for " develop and support suppressor tax stamp conservation legislation" and " support protection of firearm noise reduction commerce".
Does seem odd.....
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Welp...30 seconds of google did it: https://disclosurespreview.house.go...e},{"field":"registrant.name","order":"asc"}]
It sure seems SC has been dropping $30-50K every quarter for the past few years for " develop and support suppressor tax stamp conservation legislation" and " support protection of firearm noise reduction commerce".
Does seem odd.....
ZY
Ammoland provided the links in their article on the topic.
The Ammoland link is in my first post in this thread, sorry I didn't refer back to it in the post with form link and snapshot.
Ammoland usually does a good job of publishing facts and when they don't get it right the print retractions and updates.
They've already updated the page from the fist time I looked at it.
Silencer Central’s Suppressor Lobbying Sparks Controversy Over NFA Deregulation Stance
A bombshell controversy is shaking the suppressor industry. Lobbying disclosures show Silencer Central funded efforts tied to “suppressor tax stamp conservation,” raising serious questions about whether the company quietly supports keeping silencers under the NFA.
www.ammoland.com
They would be just another dealer in competition with every other dealer of firearms for the gun muffler market.
They would lose the ability to ship straight to your home (it would have to be picked up at the local gun shop).
The complicated process that they have made simpler goes away.
They make money then only one way, by selling gun mufflers. They have their own line, and they can sell you others' mufflers, at whatever markup they can manage.
BUT
Their main source of revenue, and the thing that made them a giant in the industry, disappears overnight if gun mufflers are no longer NFA items.
Complication goes away.
Ability to ship to your house goes away.
For what would you personally use Silencer Central if you can buy a suppressor the same as a S&W MP 2.0 pistol?
I'm not sure I'm following all these thoughts correctly so I'll just throw this out.
A $0 tax stamp is not the same as removing suppressors from NFA. The SC business model would still be valid less the cost of the stamp.
Simply removing suppressors from NFA entirely (UK style) doesn't exactly help the SC business model if suppressors become "not firearms" because then they could be bought online from Amazon or every Walmart and 7-11.
Removing suppressors from the NFA only to have them land under the GCA kinda kills the SC business model. Question on the table for this route is whether they would be treated similar to long guns or hand guns.
Exactly.
The owner's wealth would disappear almost overnight. It would ruin Silencer Central as a business.
H&B: CONCERNING CURRENT TOP-LINE FIGURES, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING NOW?
Brandon Maddox: Over $100 million. And I think we’ll probably double that next year.
Gun Business Insider: Silencer Central's Leader Brandon Maddox
Discover the story behind Silencer Central & learn from the experiences of its founder & CEO, Brandon Maddox.
www.hookandbarrel.com
Brandon is the owner.
There is no way this company generates 9 figures in revenue if gun mufflers are removed from the NFA. It just is not possible. That is a strong incentive to keep them in the NFA.
It's about to collapse right now.
H&B: CONCERNING CURRENT TOP-LINE FIGURES, WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING NOW?
Brandon Maddox: Over $100 million. And I think we’ll probably double that next year.
Gun Business Insider: Silencer Central's Leader Brandon Maddox
Discover the story behind Silencer Central & learn from the experiences of its founder & CEO, Brandon Maddox.
Brandon is the owner.
There is no way this company generates 9 figures in revenue if gun mufflers are removed from the NFA. It just is not possible. That is a strong incentive to keep them in the NFA.
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Not for Brandon nor the "C-Suite" at SC, they will be insulated, have a golden parachute and this will be little more than a inconvenience to them and their net worth's.
Whereas the folks that work there doing "day-to-day" type jobs will be severely impacted, all while I'm sure there were "values" and "culture statements" about words similar to trust and honesty posted throughout their corporate culture practices and procedures.
Whereas the folks that work there doing "day-to-day" type jobs will be severely impacted, all while I'm sure there were "values" and "culture statements" about words similar to trust and honesty posted throughout their corporate culture practices and procedures.
Let those who feed themselves by trampling our rights starve. Their children too. Get a real job ya scabs!
It wouldn't harm them a bit if the NFA status disappeared, at least not if they are intelligent about it. Initially they will meet the overwhelming demand by being the number one retailer in the world. They will sell $100m in the first 60 days while they are restructuring the operation. Then it will be time for them to set up exclusivity deals with some of the companies where that makes sense (tbac, huxwrx and other premium manufacturers). The prices will drop, the volume will rise, and they will be the delta 8 superstore in a state the day they pass legal weed. They will already have the name recognition, the customer base, the manufacturer relationships, the banking etc. If they play it right, it will be the best thing that ever happened to them. A transaction won't require ridiculous amounts of time and literal perfection in the paperwork process. The current folks become customer service to explain the different cans to callers, answer emails and such, and 90% of their business will become high volume order fulfillment..
But...... I've listened to Brandon Maddox on a dozen podcasts and as a guest on several shows, and he's a super fudd, although he's only probably 50. He's not a gun guy at all. Walking around Africa with a 26" barreled rifle with a 12" can sticking off the barrel to shoot plains game. So, it wouldn't surprise me if they were lobbying to keep things the same. It is simpler for them if nothing changes, obviously.
But...... I've listened to Brandon Maddox on a dozen podcasts and as a guest on several shows, and he's a super fudd, although he's only probably 50. He's not a gun guy at all. Walking around Africa with a 26" barreled rifle with a 12" can sticking off the barrel to shoot plains game. So, it wouldn't surprise me if they were lobbying to keep things the same. It is simpler for them if nothing changes, obviously.
And there are plenty of Machine gun collectors who will go bankrupt if the NFA were to be repealed. None of them are going to support even a revocation of the Hughes Amendment. Because then their $28,000 AR-15 is going to be worth about $600.
So don't think those who 'have' are on the side of those who 'want!'
Sirhr
So don't think those who 'have' are on the side of those who 'want!'
Sirhr
This would destroy their entire business model they would no longer be able to ship direct and the customer would have to pick it up.
It is 100% in their best interest to keep things as is.
Silencer Central’s business model is to ship suppressors directly to the buyer’s front door. This option is available for NFA items, but not for Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) items. They also make the Banish line of suppressors. If suppressors were removed from the NFA, they would likely be reclassified under the Gun Control Act (GCA), which does not allow direct-to-consumer shipping for such items. This would impact Silencer Central’s current business model, which is built around direct home delivery in 42 states.
It is 100% in their best interest to keep things as is.
Silencer Central’s business model is to ship suppressors directly to the buyer’s front door. This option is available for NFA items, but not for Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) items. They also make the Banish line of suppressors. If suppressors were removed from the NFA, they would likely be reclassified under the Gun Control Act (GCA), which does not allow direct-to-consumer shipping for such items. This would impact Silencer Central’s current business model, which is built around direct home delivery in 42 states.
have no dog in this fight but have always believed that the companies that make suppressors are complicit in the NFA BS. in my limited knowledge,i see no reason that these are priced so high ie despite the gov rip off. there is no real open competition in the biz. if it was opened up like guns,ammo,scopes,mags competition would seem to be increased as a guy could have tried several,decided and posted what works best for him. when you have 4-500$s in something,dumping it when it is a POS is tough as is admitting it. look at scope numbers,prices and resulting wide open everywhere competition.
don't know the exchange rate. but,if US made,shipped and euro taxed price for same item should be less here. have seen some things on US gun prices in Europe-a big increase in those i have heard about.
They won't take your credit card.
I tried to buy one of each.
Stupid French bastards.
I will never especially after all of the shills for the banish 30 from a few years ago.
Yeah, customs will send folks to your door to shoot your dog! Only posted to show what they cost 'unregulated.' Noone should even *THINK* of trying to order one!
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That’s cheaper than a royale with cheese or a lé big mac
I just went back and tried to buy a few for my mother in law with this new information.
Couldn't make that work either.
The US far and away leads the world in suppression technology. If you want a suppressor that would have been sold in the 1990s you can look at a lot of other countries suppressors. Now many of them are doing much better in the way of product lines, but generally speaking you have garage built tech for the most part. Part of the reason for that is simply that the US has the volume of sales (and competition) to support the industry.
Generally speaking suppressors (and certain gun parts in general) are expensive because of the materials science involved. For example consider the bolt of an AR-15. Tiny little part but the materials and science that prevents those from exploding within the first 100 rounds is quite complicated. Suppressors are in general no different.
In general it's not as simple as using a metal lathe on some cheap steel. On top of that a suppressor today isn't the same one from 15 years ago. There is usually a lot of testing involved in say making a supressor tailor made for use on a gas gun vs a bolt gun. They might have to make dozens of one model and shoot 10s of thousands of rounds for each one to make sure it works before bringing it to market. And then on top of that they are not using cheap machines to make modern supressors. A CNC machine and a wire EDM and a laser welder (or whatever else they need) all have to be maintained, including making payments on their $4 or $5 million dollars worth of machinery.
Then you need a shop, and you need to hire people to run everything. Just to get a sniff of the action it could be $5 to $10 million dollars just to try to bring the stuff to market all with no guarantees that anyone will buy anything.
In short personally I think supressors are fairly priced considering everything involved, and we haven't even touched on the regulations involved, nor the taxes that exist outside of the $200 we see as consumers.
I have an idea. Get rid of the NFA and the GCA.
Weird thing is in other countries, you jump through hoops to get the gun or even just the barrel. But you can buy silencers as easily as you by slings and another pack of Skittles without any special paperwork. Primarily for the protection of hearing. A suppressor does not make a gun any more deadly.
Having any control on it is wee-todd-edd.
Weird thing is in other countries, you jump through hoops to get the gun or even just the barrel. But you can buy silencers as easily as you by slings and another pack of Skittles without any special paperwork. Primarily for the protection of hearing. A suppressor does not make a gun any more deadly.
Having any control on it is wee-todd-edd.
It's a shame too. They sound really good to me. A couple people in my circle have the banish 30's and my brother has the banish 223 on a bolt gun. Oh well. FTH.
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