Sidearms & Scatterguns So I considered a shotgun for my wife, WTF is this?
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I wouldn’t fuck with a Yildiz if it was the last thing I could stick my dick in.
That doesn't look like a crack so much as a seam? I swear it looks like flashing from some casting technique like lost wax.
But who the fuck makes shotguns out of cast material? WTF is a "Yildz" anyway?
You know you can find decent single shot scatterguns at any local gun store for probably $50-$100, right? I'd just go that route, and have in the past actually.
But who the fuck makes shotguns out of cast material? WTF is a "Yildz" anyway?
You know you can find decent single shot scatterguns at any local gun store for probably $50-$100, right? I'd just go that route, and have in the past actually.
I'd like to get her one of the new Savage .410 turkey guns, but no one seems to have them in stock. They all have them listed and on sale, but no actual inventory. So I decided to peruse the firearms they list as in stock and found this gem.
Why do you hate your wife so much as to consider even buying her that thing?
I don't buy anything that was made, or passed threw turkey. That said, I'd like to give them something they could remember me by.
Gross.
Try a trade in or new 870. You can find replacement 870 barrels all day, easy to break down and cerakote if you ever wanted to. Might be a little hefty for a shorter gal, though.
Like someone already mentioned, the Stevens 12G/410 is also another option. I've held one and got to check it out, didn't seem bad at all for the money. Bit lighter than an 870, as well.
Try a trade in or new 870. You can find replacement 870 barrels all day, easy to break down and cerakote if you ever wanted to. Might be a little hefty for a shorter gal, though.
Like someone already mentioned, the Stevens 12G/410 is also another option. I've held one and got to check it out, didn't seem bad at all for the money. Bit lighter than an 870, as well.
It looks like, to simplify manufacturing, they did not build the chambered barrel as a unit, but rather attached the barrel to the chamber/action assembly. The bluing discoloration would seem to indicate it was heated and welded after being either pressed or threaded together. They probably all look like that with some having worse discoloration than others.
Well, it is a wood and blued steel shotgun that costs less than $130 at full price. Turkey is not a third world backwater and does make decent firearms. Something has to give when a gun can come halfway across the world and still make money for all parties involved at $130.
Well, it is a wood and blued steel shotgun that costs less than $130 at full price. Turkey is not a third world backwater and does make decent firearms. Something has to give when a gun can come halfway across the world and still make money for all parties involved at $130.
"Brazilian" does have a better ring to it than "Turkish" especially when getting something for your wife.
Do you want to adopt a son, father or grandfather? I can be one of those...
Just laying that out there. ?
Hey I'm with you. We need a sugar-momma.
Hahaha just to be clear that's not mine. Just some random one I found. They go up in price from there ?
These are pretty good for the price:
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They also make a .410 with walnut stock for around $750.
Us boys bought one of the walnut stocked .410 pumps for our Dad for his 80th birthday. It replaced one that was stolen back in the ‘70s. We all grew up using that one to harvest squirrels and rabbits for the stew pot back in the day.
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They also make a .410 with walnut stock for around $750.
Us boys bought one of the walnut stocked .410 pumps for our Dad for his 80th birthday. It replaced one that was stolen back in the ‘70s. We all grew up using that one to harvest squirrels and rabbits for the stew pot back in the day.
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When she deserves the best (And we not talking about diamonds because they are too cheap)....
A semi auto side by side made with titanium receiver.
Sincerely,
Theis
When she deserves the best (And we not talking about diamonds because they are too cheap)....
A semi auto side by side made with titanium receiver.
Sincerely,
Theis
I gave my wife a PS90, she's not afraid of it, and shoots it well. Everything else, was painful to watch her shoot, like watching someone hold an M67 with the pin removed. Plus, she doesn't have to worry so much about reloads.
I was looking for a shotgun for my 11 year old daughter and ended up going with a Stoeger ondor Youth .410 O/U. Runs in the $400 range and is really a pretty good little shotgun.
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I didn't see a use so let me ask why .410? In shotguns sports that gauge is for people that like to be frustrated by the small shot charge. .410 ammunition is hard to find in every flavor and expensive. 20 gauge shells are everywhere, can be found in all flavors (bird, buck, slug) and are relatively cheap. 20 gauge shotguns have little recoil and there are lots of good used 20 gauge shotguns available. Just sayin.
I personally chose a .410 because my 11 year old daughter weighs about 55lbs soaking wet and wanted her to enjoy shooting. Not get kicked so hard she never wants to shoot again. Yes, .410 ammo can be expensive and difficult to find, but it’s plently good for learning, and will kill a rabbit without issue. Plus an O/U IMO is the best to train youngsters on because they’re simple. Not a lot going on with an O/U. I learned on one when I was her age and so did my dad. When she gets more comfortable and packs on a few more pounds, I’ll upgrade her to a 20 gauge auto.
She’ll have this shotgun forever so it’ll be good trainer for the grandkids to when that day comes along.
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Maybe some shitty mock-up that’s not an actual firearm?
Good 410’s for general critter shooting. 870 wingmaster! I’d buy a well cared for OLD mossberg 500, the new ones are shit. Old Stevens 22/410 O/U.
An O/U or SxS 410 for bird is nice, especially for quail. That should be for experts, not recoil sensitive learners.
Good 410’s for general critter shooting. 870 wingmaster! I’d buy a well cared for OLD mossberg 500, the new ones are shit. Old Stevens 22/410 O/U.
An O/U or SxS 410 for bird is nice, especially for quail. That should be for experts, not recoil sensitive learners.
I’m gonna have to disagree with a .410 O/U not being suitable for learners and the recoils sensitive. I would tend to agree with you when speaking in regards to an O/U in 12 / 20 gauge, but not a .410. I think it’s perfect for those exact scenarios. Negligent recoil, and extremely easy for a learner. Auto loaders definetly have less felt recoil, but are can be overly complicated IMO for someone learning. O/U are simple to operate. My 70 lb 11 year ol daughter and my 9 year old daughter both handle it well. I learned on one at their age and moved up to a 20 gauge when I got a little older. That’s just been my experience.
I almost said that myself!
Tell that to my Great Granny. She shot everything under the sun with her old double barrel beater (probably made prior to modern arms) and even drew down on the DEA in the 80's when they rappeled out of a helicopter into her huge flower bed thinking they could see marijuana! Fucking idiots and their drug war. She was a tough old woman and drank straight 100 proof vodka until she died at damn near 80.
My comment was more along the lines of wing or clay shooting. I haven’t made it there yet. I can swat a released quail pretty easy with a 410, but wild birds or dove I’m more of a 28ga shooter, at best. Probably more of a 20ga shooter if I’m being completely honest with myself. If we’re talking 3” #4 vs the tree rats, then that is about the perfect starting shotgun.
Ah gotcha. Yeah, definetly wouldn’t be my choice for anything really more than learning, hunting rabbits, squirrels etc. and you’re exactly right, if you’re gonna be quail / dove wild bird hunting, shooting trap, etc then yeah, you better be damn good if you plan on being even remotely successful with a .410.
As a teen, I shot a pheasant once with the .410. It took off, flushed when we were crossing a field for rabbits, and I automatically drew up and shot, forgetting that I only had the .410. Bird went down, but I had to wring its neck to finish it. I felt bad for not making a clean kill and wouldn’t do that again.
.410 just doesn’t have what it takes for larger birds, unless you really get in a good clean headshot.
.410 just doesn’t have what it takes for larger birds, unless you really get in a good clean headshot.
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My first shotgun was a single shot .410. Get her a 20 gauge. Or, hell, a 28 gauge.
I have a Yildiz 20 ga over/under shotgun. Yildiz is Turkish and imported exclusively by Academy Sports. Their service center is Briley manufacturing, right here in Houston. The stocks on the Yildiz guns I have seen make American guns look like firewood. Looks good, light weight, points well, and Briley interchangeable chokes. The price is right too. I'm not sure what's going on with the OPs gun, but the Yildiz guns I have seen are not blued, they are black chrome plated.
I'm away from the house right now but will add a pic of the same area from ours when I get home.
I have a Yildiz 20 ga over/under shotgun. Yildiz is Turkish and imported exclusively by Academy Sports. Their service center is Briley manufacturing, right here in Houston. The stocks on the Yildiz guns I have seen make American guns look like firewood. Looks good, light weight, points well, and Briley interchangeable chokes. The price is right too. I'm not sure what's going on with the OPs gun, but the Yildiz guns I have seen are not blued, they are black chrome plated.
I'm away from the house right now but will add a pic of the same area from ours when I get home.
I agree I have a Stoeger semi auto, you can't beat the price and value.I was looking for a shotgun for my 11 year old daughter and ended up going with a Stoeger ondor Youth .410 O/U. Runs in the $400 range and is really a pretty good little shotgun.
Condor Youth Shotguns | Stoeger Shotguns Pistols and Airguns
?? whatever you say bud...
You break whoever you want out on whatever you want.
I broke out on a 60year old single shot .410. The same .410 my dad and uncles broke out on. Worked perfectly for learning and killed plenty of rabbits and squirrels with it. Was I slaying quail and dove with it? No I wasn’t, but by the time I was proficient enough to do that, I had moved onto a 20 gauge.
My daughters both broke out on .410’s. The results are the same. Have yet to find something better, and again, I’m not about to spend 1k or more on Semi-Auto shotgun that they will both outgrow in a year or 2. .410’s have their purpose.
That being said, if My daughters were a little older or if I was buying for my wife, it would be a 20 gauge Semi Auto or O/U for sure.
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I started my kids on youth model 20 gauge pumps. Picked up a mossberge youth for my daughter and it came with a long peice of dowel for a plug so you can control how many rounds can be loaded by trimming it. Put a limsaver pad on it, filled the butt with lead shot, bought some 3/4oz Fiocchi training loads that were about 1000 fps and she did great with it. Found that I could duplicate it with one of the clays powders, so she shot those for a few seasons. I picked up an extra full turkey choke, some 1-5/16 oz 6's, and some bolt on rifled sights and she shot a turkey at 35 yards with it. I sighted it in so she wouldn't know what was coming when she touched off a turkey load. She wasn't real happy with the recoil, but she was with the results.
I had triplet boys after her and I borrowed another Mossberg, bought a used 870 express youth and put better recoil pads on all the guns. I didn't load the lite loads for the boys, so they had to get used to the recoil with dove loads. They shot everything from dove to geese. The mossberg is a great house gun with birdshot followed by #4 buck.
I have two 410's, a sxs Savage full/full, and a 870 wingmaster vent rib IC. I shot them when I had neck surgery in mid August 2015 and wasn't supposed to shoot. Picked up 1/2oz 2-1/2" 8's and had at the doves. If you can kill dove with a 410, a 12 gauge seems like cheating!
My daughter steals my 391 when she hunts and I revert back to a 1940's Ithaca 37.
I had triplet boys after her and I borrowed another Mossberg, bought a used 870 express youth and put better recoil pads on all the guns. I didn't load the lite loads for the boys, so they had to get used to the recoil with dove loads. They shot everything from dove to geese. The mossberg is a great house gun with birdshot followed by #4 buck.
I have two 410's, a sxs Savage full/full, and a 870 wingmaster vent rib IC. I shot them when I had neck surgery in mid August 2015 and wasn't supposed to shoot. Picked up 1/2oz 2-1/2" 8's and had at the doves. If you can kill dove with a 410, a 12 gauge seems like cheating!
My daughter steals my 391 when she hunts and I revert back to a 1940's Ithaca 37.
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I know 3 different people who i shoot with that have Yildiz shotguns. on 4 separate occasions, 2 of them had to use either my personal gun or backup gun as their yildiz failed in a very mild, 50 shot sporting clay round. Anything from broken extractors, stuck shells that had to be hammered out of the chamber, broken selectors and firing pins, etc.
To their credit, every time they have gone back with their complete piece of garbage shotgun, Academy directly hands them a brand new, hot piece of garbage shotgun. "T" has taken his back 3 times. "J" has taken his back 2 times. and "S" has taken his back 3 times. **
**NOTE: Names have been changed to protect the garbage-shotgun loving innocent.
If you want to have a $450 o/u shotgun that doesnt get used much and has a high probability of taking a crap on you when you do use it, with the caveat that you have a no-nonsense return-exchange warranty, then the Yildiz is your gun. Trying to help remedy and fix these guns as they literally become inoperable in front of me, i wouldnt own one if it was a gift. YMMV.
She already has a 20 guage 1100LW. Unfortunately, it only safely shoots 2 3/4 shells and manufacturers have stopped production of suitable turkey rounds in that size. She likes the .410s and is interested (I think) in the Savage turkey gun, but they are currently made from almostunobtanium. For reference, here's the one she'd like to have
some of you are killing me. What’s the velocity on a 12 gauge pellet? On a 20? 16? 28? 410? Pretty much all the same.
I think what you are missing here, is shot size that matters. You have to look for 410 with a larger shot size, and you’ll pay for it. Same same with a 28. I’ve killed a fuckton of birds with my 28, and the 28 and 410 shoot about the same size payload. Use larger shot in your small gauges, and they get it done.
kid’s gun? Woman’s gun? How about an GENTLEMAN’s gun? I can’t even begin to tell you how many people told me and my second wife that our 28 gauges weren’t going to do very well at the trap range. It was her, me, her stepdad, and two of his buddies that were lifelong shooters, one of which writes for an outdoor magazine. Julie had shot informal birds a couple of times with her 28, but that is it. I broke the most birds, she hit a couple less than me, and the other 3 shooters (all shooting 12 gauges) came in way behind us.
Gents, this is a case of “it’s the indian, not the arrow”. The sub gauges will get it done if you do it right.
I think what you are missing here, is shot size that matters. You have to look for 410 with a larger shot size, and you’ll pay for it. Same same with a 28. I’ve killed a fuckton of birds with my 28, and the 28 and 410 shoot about the same size payload. Use larger shot in your small gauges, and they get it done.
kid’s gun? Woman’s gun? How about an GENTLEMAN’s gun? I can’t even begin to tell you how many people told me and my second wife that our 28 gauges weren’t going to do very well at the trap range. It was her, me, her stepdad, and two of his buddies that were lifelong shooters, one of which writes for an outdoor magazine. Julie had shot informal birds a couple of times with her 28, but that is it. I broke the most birds, she hit a couple less than me, and the other 3 shooters (all shooting 12 gauges) came in way behind us.
Gents, this is a case of “it’s the indian, not the arrow”. The sub gauges will get it done if you do it right.
My two boys a few years back on pheasant opener....you are allowed one rooster opening day here. The older boy used his heirloom sweet 16, my youngest used my 28 sxs.....it’s a good thing he didnt know it wasnt up to the task.
And i’ll do you one more....less pellets to pick out of your birds.
Another thing....turkey hunters. They make my shit lumpy. Acting like you have to shoot a cannon to bring a bird down. My nephew has killed two nice toms shooting a 20 gauge BPS with #4 shot....he is 11.
Another thing....turkey hunters. They make my shit lumpy. Acting like you have to shoot a cannon to bring a bird down. My nephew has killed two nice toms shooting a 20 gauge BPS with #4 shot....he is 11.
Not so much.....shaking my head a bit though.
Had a guy at the last gun show come through....guy was a chiropractor or however the fuck you spell it. Anyhow, his mom and his wife were standing with me and my girlfriend (and flirting with me, according to the GF) and he comes over and has to start running his mouth like the world revolves around him (He very rudely interupted his wife). Was blathering something about wanting a 12 gauge double chambered for 3 1/2.....i told him the same thing about my nephew; that he is 11 and drops them with a 2 3/4 inch 20 gauge.
people get sold hype and just buy it. Then you get a guy that askes a legit question about a gun for his wife/kid and you get guys spouting the same shit; which is doing the guy, his wife, and his kid a huge disservice.
dont under estimate a 410, a 28, or a 20. Match it with the right size shot, and you can do a lot more than most folks think.
Had a guy at the last gun show come through....guy was a chiropractor or however the fuck you spell it. Anyhow, his mom and his wife were standing with me and my girlfriend (and flirting with me, according to the GF) and he comes over and has to start running his mouth like the world revolves around him (He very rudely interupted his wife). Was blathering something about wanting a 12 gauge double chambered for 3 1/2.....i told him the same thing about my nephew; that he is 11 and drops them with a 2 3/4 inch 20 gauge.
people get sold hype and just buy it. Then you get a guy that askes a legit question about a gun for his wife/kid and you get guys spouting the same shit; which is doing the guy, his wife, and his kid a huge disservice.
dont under estimate a 410, a 28, or a 20. Match it with the right size shot, and you can do a lot more than most folks think.
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Kinda like saying a .38 Special or a .380ACP is inadequate for self defense. They wouldn’t be my first pick personally, but they would work just fine for the role.
Hell if we are going to go there, Get her a set of Holland and Hollands. Actually, you can just buy her a Range Rover outfitted with a pair of then in a wooden presentation case. Its only a little over 200 K.
For your convenience, the website is:
Range Rover - Holland & Holland
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P.S.: I too am looking for grandparents.
PSS: Thanks for being a sport and putting up with some ribbing.
On a serious note, any 20 with screw in chokes would be a good choice. you can vary the pattern that way based on what you want to shoot. I am partial to Browning or Remington.
I bought a yildez semi 12 ga to get me by till I could find a good deal on a berreta. Since that time I have shot about 1000 rounds of light loads, shooting trap and doves with out a single failure. I am still going to buy a better shoutgun one of these days but I’m not in any hurry. On gauge choice to each his own but I agree 20ga makes the most since due to price and availability, but there is nothing wrong with a .410 either if you can afford it
might as well use a 10 gauge then.
again, i’ve beat the pants off a whole lot of people shooting 12 gauges using my 28 gauge; after they scoffed at the puny little 28. my second wife, who had very limited experience wingshooting, beat 3 seasoned hunters who had YEARS worth of experience under their belts.
the smaller gauges allow you to do things that most folks overlook. 98% of people out there dont get it, and are unwilling to try it. point is, there is a lot to be offered from a 410 or a 28; and it’s overlooked by far too many people.
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