Rifle Scopes So many Kahles for sale....whats up?
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My k525 is now dedicated for vudoo22 and hunting rifle....
Quit being poor and get a 2nd zco.
What's a good deal on a used razor 4.5-27 now days? The bunch that I've seen for sale haven't been too competitively priced compared to new.
Think the sell off will affect the used value of the scopes at all?
For a EBR-2C I'd say around 1650 is fair used in good condition. If you want the new reticle expect to pay just a bit under retail. The new reticle will no be affected by the used scopes on the market now. However Vortex did lower the MSRP of the scope by 500 dollars. That obviously will impact resale value. Dollar for dollar, and in my personal opinion, nothing comes close to the Gen 2 Razor in terms of overall value. This is comparing new street prices. Used opens a lot more options.
I meant I wonder if the resale value of the scopes will fall since so many people are offloading them.
I agree that $1650 is what they've been going for. But you can get them for under $1800 new. I sure wouldn't pay 95% of the new price for a used scope. The used ones would have to be down at $1400-$1500 to interest me compared to <$1800 for a new one.
I've seen new as low as $1650. New reticles.
Can you PM me where? In stock?
I would like to know also please....
Right? I’ll buy 3 at that price. Fuck the zcomp
Edit: never mind. I thought this was a Kahles thread. I could care less about vortex.
Edit: never mind. I thought this was a Kahles thread. I could care less about vortex.
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H59 too? Where?
Hey now......
At some point used prices go low enough that people will keep them before they take too big a loss.
At that point, a buyer has to decide if saving $150-$200 is worth it.
They were selling for 18/1900 used when you could get them for 2k-2100. Roughly the same % off used vs new as now.
Obviously new reticles excluded at the moment.
Yeah, and I would have never considered the 1800-1900 used price either.
I think it speaks mostly to Vortex warranty & customer service. Other brands do not hold value like that IMHO.
Got behind a Minox today most notably the FOV was massive compared to my 525. CA control was better though Kahles had little to none as well. IQ below 20x was hard to pick it apart. Past 20x or on the high end it goes to Minox. DOF was also in Minox's favor. Lol i want a ZP5 now.
Wait until you get behind a TT
. Personally I preferred the ZP5 over the K525. The used prices on ZP5's are going for now are extremely attractive.I agree with most of your assessment, but I thought the ZP5 handled CA better than K525. My K525 had slight amounts, my ZP5 had none.
Wait until you get behind a TT
I agree with most of your assessment, but I thought the ZP5 handled CA better than K525. My K525 had slight amounts, my ZP5 had none.
I thought that's what i said ha. ZP5 had none Kahles had just a little. It was worded poorly i guess. Yeah it has me thinking but idk probably hard to offload a K525 at this point for any return investment.
Financially speaking i don't need to walk anywhere near a TT lol
Call Scott at Liberty Optics for a deal on a Razor.
As far as the Minox goes I agree the glass was better than my K525i but for those turrets they can keep it. The controls on the Kahles feel too notch. (I do have a spinner lever on my parallax lol).
As far as the Minox goes I agree the glass was better than my K525i but for those turrets they can keep it. The controls on the Kahles feel too notch. (I do have a spinner lever on my parallax lol).
I will say i haven’t found a turret i like more than my kahles. But the Minox turrets were very meh. Glass quality from 5-20 is a wash. Fov is the main reason I’d want to move away from the kahles.
I agree minox probably got the edge on glass (CA) and FOV but i like the turrets on my k525 and the compactness vs minox 5-25
If i want to upgrade my k525 to a longer 5-25 then id go with sb over minox... with those new reticle sb just released or even horus
If i want to upgrade my k525 to a longer 5-25 then id go with sb over minox... with those new reticle sb just released or even horus
Then def don't go near a TT haha. On a serious note though I thought mechanically Kahles is one of the best packages even in this price range. Optically I think it's one of the worst in this price range IMO. It's still "good", but for $2800+ it better be great.
As far as turrets Schmidt DT are probably some of the crispest clicks aside from TT. The spacing is just close but you get used to it. The NF and kahles I felt are similar, but I've felt differences between samples of ATACRS.
It would be good to clarify "which" Schmidt DT turrets, the ones on my Ultra Short 3-20 with 18 mil per rev were some of the worst I've experienced, Kahles was definitely better in this regard.
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www.dropbox.com What is/are you dont like about 3-20us im thinking of buying one with h59It would be good to clarify "which" Schmidt DT turrets, the ones on my Ultra Short 3-20 with 18 mil per rev were some of the worst I've experienced, Kahles was definitely better in this regard.
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The only thing I did not like was the turrets and I should qualify by saying the 18 mil turrets because I had the Ultra Short 3-20 with 14 mil turrets last year and thought they weren't that bad, but the new 18 mil turrets have hardly no audible click to them and are so close together it was hard to discern what I dialed if I wasn't looking at them. Turret feel is very subjective and I used to not care that much, but I tried to like the Schmidt 18mil DT turrets and just couldn't, obviously YMMV and some may not be bothered at all and may actually prefer them. The video above gives you a quick peek along with being able to hear the sound of the clicks between the Schmidt and the Kahles, hard to tell from a video but the Kahles is clearly more audible and the markers are better defined - meaning it is easier to dial the Kahles without looking and be able to count your clicks.
Hmmm now the more i cant wait that 4-20 zcomp
It would be good to clarify "which" Schmidt DT turrets, the ones on my Ultra Short 3-20 with 18 mil per rev were some of the worst I've experienced, Kahles was definitely better in this regard.
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The 5-25 DT most are familiar with. I tried to post a video but it doesn’t like .mov iPhone extensions
Just looked at the FOV comparison of the K525 to ZP5... maybe it's just that the image seems larger on the ZP5 but they're literally a tenth of a meter apart. Roughly a three inch difference at 100m on 25x i guess that translates to a varying degree at distance but not nearly as bad as i thought at least on paper. Obviously there is the noted effect when behind the optics.
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I would suspect that the DOF makes the FOV feel larger
I picked my 6-24 SKMR3 and Spuhr rings off the PX also about a month back. Awesome scope and reticle. I dig it!
My kahles gets smoke FOV wise compared to my Schmidt and NF.
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Here’s pics I shared in another thread of the 525 kahles against a Schmidt and NF 7-35. It’s noticably smaller compared to the other 2.
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@generalzip He stated he misspoke, about the Minox FOV. The ZP5 FOV is massive. How about you fact check a little bit?
Minox ZP5 5-25 is 24.93’ /5.25’ at 109.63 yards
Kahles 5-25 is 21.7’/4.4’ at 100 yards
S&B PMII is 17.38’ /4.92’ at 100 yards
Nightforce 7-35 is 15’/3.4’ at 100 yards
Minox ZP5 5-25 is 24.93’ /5.25’ at 109.63 yards
Kahles 5-25 is 21.7’/4.4’ at 100 yards
S&B PMII is 17.38’ /4.92’ at 100 yards
Nightforce 7-35 is 15’/3.4’ at 100 yards
Fact check? I was basing off of what the above guy said comparing the two? He said they are a tenth of a meter apart. Also your NF numbers are at 35x fyi. I sold my Minoxs so don't have them to compare anymore.
Why the attitude?
Why the attitude?
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Great info thanks for sharing man!
Yup, NF is at 7 and 35.
The other numbers still give you an idea
Sold my Minox also, to upgrade to TT
To clarify it was just worded poorly didn't really misspeak. But yeah the FOV on the Minox is larger than all three. It's right there with the 624i. I'd consider selling my Kahles for one if i could get turrets equivalent to my Kahles. The turrets on the ZP5 i handled were meh to say the least.
Totally agree. I had one that was total mush and another that didn't line up. The Kahles has great turrets.
Once I get my Kahles back from ILya I'll have to throw it up next to my Minox ZP5 like I did with the Schmidt Ultra Short 3-20. I'm assuming/hoping the K318i turrets are close to the K525i turrets. 5RWill, it's interesting, I have seen you and others mentioned the ZP5 turrets are meh while mine have been very decent, makes me wonder if Minox has different versions they've sent out, similar to the 2nd rev situation where early models were a lot more difficult between 1st and 2nd rev. It would take a lot to pry the ZP5 out of my hands
What thread was this on previously? That is a sweet chart to reference Spife, thank you. That XTR III 5.5-30 is looking better and better, man I really hope that scope delivers optically.
This thread: Technical Scope Question by subwrx
And just to show the back ground, so hopefully if I am off base I can be corrected, here are the formulas
Min and Max Linear FOV are published
I converted some from meter@100m to feet@100 yards, most are published with feet and yards though. S&B 5-25 is 5.3 meters fov @ 100 meters at 5x. Thats 5.3*3.28=17.3885' at 100 meters, multiply it by .9144 to get it to yards and you end up with 15.9'@100yards. 25x is 1.5 meters, thats 4.9 feet@ 100 meters x .9144=4.48'@ 100 yards.
Angular FOV is derived from this article https://www.opticsden.com/what-is-field-of-view/ which claims that 1 angular degree is equal to 52.5'@1000 yards, a tenth of that gets you to 5.25'@100 yards.
Apparent FOV is magnification*real FOV
Apparent FOV @ 20x to get them all to the same baseline I took the a max magnification and divided it by 20 to scale all of it to the same level and then multiplied it against the apparent FOV at max magnification.
Nice work Spife!
We will have some here on Monday
Is there a trade in program? Lol i saw y’all a post and started to call but I’d have to sell the k525 first
We can work with you depending on the condition, reticle etc. but you would make more selling it outright
Feel free to send pics and details to [email protected]
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