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So what’s up with certain gun industry peeps supporting the war?

Hmmm... discussion about supporting Russia vs. supporting Ukraine vs. not giving a shit at all and somehow it's about buying Chinesium to you. Short attention span much?


Hmmm... discussion about supporting Russia vs. supporting Ukraine vs. not giving a shit at all and somehow it's about coffee to you. Short attention span much?


Hmmm... discussion about supporting Russia vs. supporting Ukraine vs. not giving a shit at all and somehow it's about coffee to you. Short attention span much?

Not one of you addressed my actual point. 1 of you went with ad hominem and the other two succumbed to resorting to non-sequitur arguments. Try to stay on topic.

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Don’t play a leftist argument arguments, it’s just sad.

How the hell do you think most of main-street supports a country, or state, or business? With their damn wallets.

And frankly they are both shit hole places, their biggest export is scams, minus some oil and booze from Russia, if both poofed and vanished overnight I wouldn’t care. It’s like asking me who I support in a bum flight, I don’t support ether of them, but I wouldn’t lose any sleep if someone curb stomped the for profit person who set the fight up.

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The biggest enemy here has been shown to be the statists, biden and co and the defense industry who stoked the flames of this BS, and are now using it to justify looting private citizens who in some 6 degrees from Putin have been found guilty with no trial, plus all that sweet defense money they are probably skimming.
Yep, a mobster country fighting a mobster country. Who gives a fuck. To the innocent....quit electing and supporting mobsters.

If youre a company supporting either.....whatever.....its your money.

If youre a company, Nike, Dicks, NFL, etc supporting things that align with "my" enemy....Ill pass on your product. Same as above...I wont support mobsters.
 
Yep, a mobster country fighting a mobster country. Who gives a fuck. To the innocent....quit electing and supporting mobsters.

If youre a company supporting either.....whatever.....its your money.

If youre a company, Nike, Dicks, NFL, etc supporting things that align with "my" enemy....Ill pass on your product. Same as above...I wont support mobsters.

Bingo
 
Does the moral equivalency and apathy extend to the mobsters in Washington DC, or is that different? Name a national government that is not corrupt to a greater or lesser extent. Don't argue degrees, and then make that the basis for a decision. This what passes for wisdom and sagacity?

Soooo, by the same reasoning you cannot be a patriot and support the USA if you don't throw the same love and support to The Federal Government?

Putin isn't invading the government of Ukraine. He's invading an actual country with actual people living in it. They are fighting back like I would hope we would fight back, but based on these pro-Putin threads and United Russia propaganda that gets regurgitated by a bunch of you I guess that's a pipe dream...

I wonder how much ChiCom propaganda you'll be spitting when Xi invades Taiwan? I guess they're askin' for it too?

Some of you need to take stock of your arguments, and send them through the still again. They are retarded and suck.
 
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Does the moral equivalency and apathy extend to the mobsters in Washington DC, or is that different? Name a national government that is not corrupt to a greater or lesser extent. Don't argue degrees, and then make that the basis for a decision. This what passes for wisdom and sagacity?

Soooo, by the same reasoning you cannot be a patriot and support the USA if you don't throw the same love and support to The Federal Government?

Putin isn't invading the government of Ukraine. He's invading an actual country with actual people living in it. They are fighting back like I would hope we would fight back, but based on these pro-Putin threads and United Russia propaganda that gets regurgitated by a bunch of you I guess that's a pipe dream...

I wonder how much ChiCom propaganda you'll be spitting when Xi invades Taiwan? I guess they're askin' for it too?

Some of you need to take stock of your arguments, and send them through the still again. They are retarded and suck.

Getting involved in either conflict, Ukraine or a hypothetical Taiwanese one, what possible benefit would that bring to the American people?
 
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Feel free to make whatever arguments you want, and believe RT and whatever media you want to believe. I will defend your right to do so to the death, but that doesn't mean I agree with you at all. I am watching the reality unfold in real time. Your little apologies don't mean shit to me as I am watching civilians get shelled and patriots attack an armored column with Molotov's. That's not about whatever your little ideology or conspiracy theories are directing you to type.

This is not a new lesson. Allow or invite a dictator to destroy sovereign nations and you WILL get more of it. This is the old Alligator eat me last bullshit. I think this is going to end very badly for Russia across the board, and there's no reason for us to do anything but support the millions of Ukrainians resisting Russian aggression.

Notice they started internally, then expanded externally, and the pace is getting faster and faster. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going. Should we give Europe to Putin right now? Why not? What business is it of ours?
 
Does the moral equivalency and apathy extend to the mobsters in Washington DC, or is that different? Name a national government that is not corrupt to a greater or lesser extent. Don't argue degrees, and then make that the basis for a decision. This what passes for wisdom and sagacity?

Soooo, by the same reasoning you cannot be a patriot and support the USA if you don't throw the same love and support to The Federal Government?

Putin isn't invading the government of Ukraine. He's invading an actual country with actual people living in it. They are fighting back like I would hope we would fight back, but based on these pro-Putin threads and United Russia propaganda that gets regurgitated by a bunch of you I guess that's a pipe dream...

I wonder how much ChiCom propaganda you'll be spitting when Xi invades Taiwan? I guess they're askin' for it too?

Some of you need to take stock of your arguments, and send them through the still again. They are retarded and suck.

If they were just going to bomb DC I wouldn’t care.

America is a wee bit different in that from the birth of this great nation, the country is not its government, but it’s bill of rights and people, we came to be after we (militia and friends of the militia) shot enough English in the fucking face that they decided to fuck off to a future of building shitty cars and tin can mints, as we became to most powerful country on earth.

Ukraine also didn’t have a second amendment, and only about 10 guns per 100 citizens and the state had full discretion on who gets a gun.

And have anti protest laws

Your comparison is laughable
 
I think things might be different there after this is over...

I would wager they are come alot closer to our way of thinking rather than the standard Eurotrash way of thinking...

I would guess they become alot more like Latvia, Estonia, and Lithuania.
 
Getting involved in either conflict, Ukraine or a hypothetical Taiwanese one, what possible benefit would that bring to the American people?

Well, depends, I say let china bleed itself, stretch it’s paper tiger resources thin trying to take that island, and once they are thin enough, take china off the map.
 
Need to get your house in order before worrying about your neighbor.

If everyone is silent when tru dough steals propane from their citizens in wintertime.. then steals money..

Has everyone received due process yet?
Jan sith ..

Has hildabeast been hung for treason yet?

Have you been forced to wear anything?
 
I think things might be different there after this is over...

I would wager they are come alot closer to our way of thinking rather than the standard Eurotrash way of thinking...

History says they don’t.

They’ll just elect the same trash, that’s why they are a shit hole. They don’t really want to be free, it’s like the NYC city Jews voting for the same politicians who rounded up the orthwdox Jews during the panicdemic.

I remember Trump saying something about the problem with Mexico is the Mexicans, not a nice thing to say, but a very true thing to say.
 
Meh, we'll see won't we.
I think Russia will smash Ukraine in another month or so, and then once they have troops on the Polish border they will be presiding over an area of Indian Country the size of Texas. There's no "off ramp" on this one.
 
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Meh, we'll see won't be.
I think Russia will smash Ukraine in another month or so, and then once they have troops on the Polish border they will be presiding over an area of Indian Country the size of Texas. There's no "off ramp" on this one.

Minus Russia has shown ZERO world conquest desires, nor do they have the resources to do it, they have less money and mil power than the state of Texas.

They also know that if they go invade a more…popular country they will be curb stomped into oblivion. Russia also probably wouldn’t have bothered with Ukraine if everyone (yeah mostly US) wasn’t pushing and getting all mouthy about them joining NATO, and Ukraine wouldn’t has been so bold if their dimwit politicians (who over here would maybe qualify as taxi drivers) didn’t foolishly think the US would have their back.

And frankly the idea of Ukraine joining nato is very similar to the idea of Russia putting nukes on Cuba. We were ready to start WWIII over that shit
 
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Feel free to make whatever arguments you want, and believe RT and whatever media you want to believe. I will defend your right to do so to the death, but that doesn't mean I agree with you at all. I am watching the reality unfold in real time. Your little apologies don't mean shit to me as I am watching civilians get shelled and patriots attack an armored column with Molotov's. That's not about whatever your little ideology or conspiracy theories are directing you to type.

This is not a new lesson. Allow or invite a dictator to destroy sovereign nations and you WILL get more of it. This is the old Alligator eat me last bullshit. I think this is going to end very badly for Russia across the board, and there's no reason for us to do anything but support the millions of Ukrainians resisting Russian aggression.

Notice they started internally, then expanded externally, and the pace is getting faster and faster. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going. Should we give Europe to Putin right now? Why not? What business is it of ours?

Actually he made a good point, maybe your high school liberal debate teacher would call a liberal foul on it, but in a situation of men talking politics, he makes a good point and it’s a fair question.
 
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Highlight where I said we should be "involved", of even alluded to being involved.
Feel free to make whatever arguments you want, and believe RT and whatever media you want to believe. I will defend your right to do so to the death, but that doesn't mean I agree with you at all. I am watching the reality unfold in real time. Your little apologies don't mean shit to me as I am watching civilians get shelled and patriots attack an armored column with Molotov's. That's not about whatever your little ideology or conspiracy theories are directing you to type.

This is not a new lesson. Allow or invite a dictator to destroy sovereign nations and you WILL get more of it. This is the old Alligator eat me last bullshit. I think this is going to end very badly for Russia across the board, and there's no reason for us to do anything but support the millions of Ukrainians resisting Russian aggression.

Notice they started internally, then expanded externally, and the pace is getting faster and faster. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to see where this is going. Should we give Europe to Putin right now? Why not? What business is it of ours?

Support Ukraine? What, like wear a ribbon or something? I don't believe the Russian propaganda anymore than I believe the Ukrainian or American propaganda on any of this. All I know that this is not a war at America's border, this is not a war with any of our official allies. The Ukraine is not in NATO. They had 30 years to make that choice. They're not even in the EU yet. There is zero reason to escalate our involvement. To get involved would be another War of choice like Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria, and all the other disastrous foreign policy blunders that have cost us trillions and so many American lives.
 

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that ammo should be here, supporting America's 2A and lowering prices and increasing availability.

I do my best not to support companies that are anti 2A (hello Troy and DD) and companies whose politics are opposite mine. I do my best
 
Support Ukraine? What, like wear a ribbon or something? I don't believe the Russian propaganda anymore than I believe the Ukrainian or American propaganda on any of this. All I know that this is not a war at America's border, this is not a war with any of our official allies. The Ukraine is not in NATO. They had 30 years to make that choice. They're not even in the EU yet. There is zero reason to escalate our involvement. To get involved would be another War of choice like Afghanistan, Libya, Iraq, Syria, and all the other disastrous foreign policy blunders that have cost us trillions and so many American lives.
Send them weapons (or at least replace the Warsaw Pact shit neighbors are giving them), give them our intel about Russian forces, sanction Russia, support their abdicated government abroad, support the Ukrainian insurgency. It's not like they haven't done the same thing against us everywhere we have fought.

The shit we are doing now, with the exception that it takes a level of stupid on a galactic scale to be negotiating with Iran about their nuclear program using Russia as the mediator. Honestly, this is the most incompetent and corrupt administration in the history of our country, and they had quite a hurtle to overcome to beat Obama.
 
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Minus Russia has shown ZERO world conquest desires, nor do they have the resources to do it, they have less money and mil power than the state of Texas.

They also know that if they go invade a more…popular country they will be curb stomped into oblivion. Russia also probably wouldn’t have bothered with Ukraine if everyone (yeah mostly US) wasn’t pushing and getting all mouthy about them joining NATO, and Ukraine wouldn’t has been so bold if their dimwit politicians (who over here would maybe qualify as taxi drivers) didn’t foolishly think the US would have their back.

And frankly the idea of Ukraine joining nato is very similar to the idea of Russia putting nukes on Cuba. We were ready to start WWIII over that shit
Bullshit. Why is Russia endowed with the right to enslave all the sovereign countries on it's borders? Because that's what the power mad communists in the USSR did? WTF is that? Russia has no more right to make anyone their buffer than the rest of the world, and frankly their paranoia and bullshit is retarded. If anything Russia should be broken up and fractured into a half dozen more states with autonomy from Moscow.
 
Send them weapons (or at least replace the Warsaw Pact shit neighbors are giving them), give them our intel about Russian forces, sanction Russia, support their abdicated government abroad, support the Ukrainian insurgency. It's not like they haven't done the same thing against us everywhere we have fought.

The shit we are doing now, with the exception that it takes a level of stupid on a galactic scale to be negotiating with Iran about their nuclear program using Russia as the mediator. Honestly, this is the most incompetent and corrupt administration in the history of our country, and they had quite a hurtle to overcome to beat Obama.

Yeah, this admin is pretty bad, though I’d say bush jr was the most un American president ever and did the most damage to the core of the country (her constitution/bill of rights), but that’s another topic.

So we are flirting with goin into a recession, inflation is at like 7% and working up to its true number, which I think will be more inline with the amount money we printed and added during the panicdemic, we already have a ammo shortage post paying people not to work and just getting past outlawing going to work, and you want to send guns and ammo, on my dime, to some super crooked quasi combloc shithole?

That doesn’t seem like a good use of resources when resources are spread thin.

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Bullshit. Why is Russia endowed with the right to enslave all the sovereign countries on it's borders? Because that's what the power mad communists in the USSR did? WTF is that? Russia has no more right to make anyone their buffer than the rest of the world, and frankly their paranoia and bullshit is retarded. If anything Russia should be broken up and fractured into a half dozen more states with autonomy from Moscow.



Maybe you could quit your work, put your family on the streets, so you can sit at a beach and yell at the seagulls to not eat the cute turtles too, I mean ITS NOT FAAAAIIIIIRRRR!! Shit, you could make a better case for long term global do gooding white knighting turtles from the gulls than super corrupt Ukraine


Honestly one shithole takes over a tiny, and even more crooked, shithole, a vibrant land soo important that all the hysterical white house wives and college kids couldn’t find on a map till a month ago


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Send them weapons (or at least replace the Warsaw Pact shit neighbors are giving them), give them our intel about Russian forces, sanction Russia, support their abdicated government abroad, support the Ukrainian insurgency. It's not like they haven't done the same thing against us everywhere we have fought.

This incompetent Administration is doing everything you want, sending billions and upping the potential this turns into a nuclear conflict the likes of which we've never seen.
 
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Jumping to a lot of conclusions by saying that they are going to go after all the border countries.
Bullshit. Why is Russia endowed with the right to enslave all the sovereign countries on it's borders? Because that's what the power mad communists in the USSR did? WTF is that? Russia has no more right to make anyone their buffer than the rest of the world, and frankly their paranoia and bullshit is retarded. If anything Russia should be broken up and fractured into a half dozen more states with autonomy from Moscow.
Russia was endowed with the agreement that NATO would allow them that buffer. Maybe you can look at this map and see who's failed in agreement.
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Maybe you should do a little research.
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Biden in 1997 saying that the only thing that could provoke a "vigorous and hostile" Russian response would be if NATO expanded as far as the Baltic states https://t.co/i0yfEgIGZA

BTW. Seven countries were brought into NATO in 2004 that broke that agreement.
 
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Jumping to a lot of conclusions by saying that they are going to go after all the border countries.

Russia was endowed with the agreement that NATO would allow them that buffer. Maybe you can look at this map and see who's failed in agreement.
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Maybe you should do a little research.
. (@ImReadinHere) Tweeted:
Biden in 1997 saying that the only thing that could provoke a "vigorous and hostile" Russian response would be if NATO expanded as far as the Baltic states https://t.co/i0yfEgIGZA

BTW. Seven countries were brought into NATO in 2004 that broke that agreement.

And, Ukraine gave up it's nukes with assurances from us that we would protect it. Your point?

There is a shit ton more evidence that Putin is trying to reconstitute the USSR under his Tzarship than there is for any other supposition. I've got no problem with isolationism, or at least I understand it way more than an interventionist bent, but containing his aspirations to me is the critical part of not allowing this to become a wider war.
 
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And, Ukraine gave up it's nukes with assurances from us that we would protect it. Your point?

There is a shit ton more evidence that Putin is trying to reconstitute the USSR under his Tzarship than there is for any other supposition. I've got no problem with isolationism, or at least I understand it way more than an interventionist bent, but containing his aspirations to me is the critical part of not allowing this to become a wider war.

And they are idiots for believing US politicians, America doesn’t have friends, it only as interests.
Im an American, and I don’t even believe the fuckers will come to my aid.

What evidence do you have Putin is going for global domination?

Better yet what evidence he even has the resources to do it?

The average Russian makes like $16k a YEAR,

( https://biz30.timedoctor.com/average-salary-in-russia/ )
and that was before their economy got flushed down the toilet.


That’s less than the $19k a year the average Mexican makes 😂
( https://biz30.timedoctor.com/average-salary-in-mexico/ )


Sorry but when my boogie man can’t even afford to put gas in their hooptie ass tank 🤷‍♂️
 
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And, Ukraine gave up it's nukes with assurances from us that we would protect it. Your point?

There is a shit ton more evidence that Putin is trying to reconstitute the USSR under his Tzarship than there is for any other supposition. I've got no problem with isolationism, or at least I understand it way more than an interventionist bent, but containing his aspirations to me is the critical part of not allowing this to become a wider war.
Ukraine gave up it's nukes for entry into NATO! Good grief, that's the very thing NATO agreed not to do!
Turn the Boogeyman hate off for a few minutes and turn the table around and look at it from Putin's side. Who's been expanding? Ohh wait, they are the good guys so it's okay?
Go ahead and post the links to Russia expansion. I'll wait.
Maybe while you are looking them up. Take a look at what was brokered about the eastern part of Ukraine and how Ukraine has followed that deal.
 
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In the last twenty years or so Putin watched the USA/NATO/coalition invade Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and a few other places. They added seven border countries to their pact and have built up bases with troops. Built bio labs and massive amounts of conventional arms but Putin should just sit back and trust NATO/USA because they can be trusted?
 
In the last twenty years or so Putin watched the USA/NATO/coalition invade Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and a few other places. They added seven border countries to their pact and have built up bases with troops. Built bio labs and massive amounts of conventional arms but Putin should just sit back and trust NATO/USA because they can be trusted?

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As much as I find Russia more or less pointless and scammy
 
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As much as I find Russia more or less pointless and scammy
In the last twenty years or so Putin watched the USA/NATO/coalition invade Afghanistan, Iraq, Syria, Lebanon and a few other places. They added seven border countries to their pact and have built up bases with troops. Built bio labs and massive amounts of conventional arms but Putin should just sit back and trust NATO/USA because they can be trusted?
Beat me to it, I was going to post that we invaded quite a few countries in the name of whatever the American people would believe at the time. I dont give a shit about Ukraine or Russia, nor do I care about the countries that we invaded. I see alot of folks claiming the world should be doing more because Russia is invading Ukraine. Well, what if the world would be doing more against us because we are in how many countries?
 
But but but. Putin is getting the old gang back together!!
Well if you believe what the main stream propaganda has been telling you.
You know, that group of people that believe it's their role to tell you what to think. The very group of people that are in bed with the CIA DHS DOJ FauxBI that brought us Trump is a Russian agent bullshit. Their very own bitch (Mueller) came out and proved it was all bullshit and they are still pushing that agenda.
Fucking sheep!!!
Beat me to it, I was going to post that we invaded quite a few countries in the name of whatever the American people would believe at the time. I dont give a shit about Ukraine or Russia, nor do I care about the countries that we invaded. I see alot of folks claiming the world should be doing more because Russia is invading Ukraine. Well, what if the world would be doing more against us because we are in how many countries?
 
During the American Civil War the British were exporting Enfield rifles to both sides. I just don't know if the Confederacy paid for the weapons with gold coin or paper (confederate) money.
Cotton I would think. As long as it was available in sufficient quantity at least.
75% of southern cotton was purchased by the British Empire.
 
And, Ukraine gave up it's nukes with assurances from us that we would protect it. Your point?

There is a shit ton more evidence that Putin is trying to reconstitute the USSR under his Tzarship than there is for any other supposition. I've got no problem with isolationism, or at least I understand it way more than an interventionist bent, but containing his aspirations to me is the critical part of not allowing this to become a wider war.
Budapest memorandum kinda got thrown out the door in the Euro Madian Revolution in February of 2014.

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Also it wasn’t just the US who signed it that guaranteed Ukraine security.
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What got this shindig started? the Revolution that started this war.
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Who is this Yulia Tymoshenko?
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This is a civil war that was kicked off by EU pushing Ukraine to align with them. Both sides broke the Budapest memorandum.

If you wanna go to war in Ukraine... Have fun.

Understanding why things happen doesn’t necessarily mean you’re siding with Russia or the United States. I find what all sides are doing is pretty fucking sickening.