Thanks for all of your replies.....I have tried the Leupold Mark 6, with the 7.62 CMR-W reticle and did not have very good luck with it. The scope I ordered was supposed to have illumination, which the scope that showed up did not, right SKU and box, but wrong scope inside. When I asked our distributor about illumination, they asked for another $900...so I said no thank you. The glass was much better than the Mark 4's that I have had, better than the Nightsforce nsx that I have had, not as good as the ATACR that I currently own, or as good as the USO 5-25 that I compared it to. The reticle that I had does not belong in the first focal plane, because the reticle is graduated out to 1200meters, but when you crank the power up to 18X, all you can see are the graduations for 500 meters....also the windage knob is covered, which is different than most tactical scopes. I suppose I should look at the TMR if I want something that is more appropriate for the first focal plane. So after all of that I studied a lot of scopes and narrowed it down to the Steiner and the Premier....please keep your comments coming as I am very interested in your experiences with these two scopes. Thanks