Rifle Scopes Steiner Military 5-25x56 elevation knob wont turn to second level

[Fulcrum]

Hi everyone , i hope someone is familiar with this issue. I zeroed it yesterday and zero locked it.
Today i realized the elevation knob gets stuck at the end of the first round and won't pass to the second level of elevation.
thanks

 

[hk dave]

Tell us about your setup. Rifle, mount, inclination etc.

 

[Fulcrum]

Tell us about your setup. Rifle, mount, inclination etc.

It's on a 308 win bolt action rifle , mount is Scalar Leap , 0 inclination.

 

[hk dave]

Were you able to go into the second rev prior to this?

If no, Have you tried resetting the zero stop so you have more elevation?

 

[Fulcrum]

Were you able to go into the second rev prior to this?

If no, Have you tried resetting the zero stop so you have more elevation?

Yes there was no problem going into the 2nd rev before

 

[Wannabustbunnies]

Try this

https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/setting-steiner-military-m5xi-series-zero-stop.6978483/

 

[hk dave]

time to call Steiner. First time I’ve heard of an issue with these specific turrets.

 

[Gil P.]

Have you ever removed the turret from the scope? Don't if you haven't.

 

[whatsupdoc]

So you zeroed the scope, then you zero locked it. Describe how you zero locked it.

 

[wade2big]

On a zero moa mount I bet you just run out of elevation. There isn’t enough left to get you to the next revolution. If you need more than what you should switch to a 20 moa mount or rail. There is 26 mils of total elevation. By your photos you show about half of that when its maxed out. The scope is fine.

 

[357Max]

Wade 2big beat me to it.

IF.......I'm correctly understanding what you've posted, then to recap:

You've got a Steiner MX5i 5-25, sitting in a zero cant mount, on presumably a zero cant pic rail?

Before setting/locking zero stop you could turn through 2ish turns on your elevation turret, correct so far?

Now after setting zero stop & according to your description & pic #2 you've got about 13.5 mil up adjustment from zero......still correct?

That means there is nothing wrong with your scope!
It has advertised 26 and change total mil elev adjustment = 13 mil up & 13 mil down from center.
If I'm correct your mounted without inclination or i.e. near center. Your getting what you should get with a zero cant mount, roughly half of total available elev adjustment.

 

[whatsupdoc]

Them two guys ^ are correct, missed that you have a 0 moa mount.

 

[Fulcrum]

time to call Steiner. First time I’ve heard of an issue with these specific turrets.

Have you ever removed the turret from the scope? Don't if you haven't.

I havent yet but seems i have to give it a try

 

[hk dave]

My bad. I assumed your base had 20moa with 0moa scalar. Like wade and others said, if 0moa base 0moa Mount, then you’re centered and that’s your remaining elevation after 0.

 

[Fulcrum]

Wade 2big beat me to it.

IF.......I'm correctly understanding what you've posted, then to recap:

You've got a Steiner MX5i 5-25, sitting in a zero cant mount, on presumably a zero cant pic rail?

Before setting/locking zero stop you could turn through 2ish turns on your elevation turret, correct so far?

Now after setting zero stop & according to your description & pic #2 you've got about 13.5 mil up adjustment from zero......still correct?

That means there is nothing wrong with your scope!
It has advertised 26 and change total mil elev adjustment = 13 mil up & 13 mil down from center.
If I'm correct your mounted without inclination or i.e. near center. Your getting what you should get with a zero cant mount, roughly half of total available elev adjustment.

You are correct. On my other gun i use 7mils/24moa mount and after zero i have 22 elevation left. Scope is Schmidt&Bender 5-25x56 so that is normal also i understand. ( Sorry , Iam new to long range )

 

[supercorndogs]

Does this series have 26 total, or is 26 how much travel the turret system allows. For example the 4-15x60M Steiners that proceeded these, the travel is listed at 19.5 MILS. The actual internal adjustment is more than that, but the turret design stops you at 9.5 on the second revolution. For 19.5 total, and that was how they listed it.

If you were zeroed and had more travel before you set your zero stop, you should probably still have that travel unless something went wrong setting your zero stop.

Both the MX5 3-15 and 5-25 are listed as 26 mils. That is one more thing that makes me think it might be listed the same way as the old M Steiners.

 

[srt-4_uk]

26 is the turret. Internal travel is more.

 

[Fulcrum]

Does this series have 26 total, or is 26 how much travel the turret system allows. For example the 4-15x60M Steiners that proceeded these, the travel is listed at 19.5 MILS. The actual internal adjustment is more than that, but the turret design stops you at 9.5 on the second revolution. For 19.5 total, and that was how they listed it.

If you were zeroed and had more travel before you set your zero stop, you should probably still have that travel unless something went wrong setting your zero stop.

Both the MX5 3-15 and 5-25 are listed as 26 mils. That is one more thing that makes me think it might be listed the same way as the old M Steiners.

It has 26 up total in 2 revolutions

 

[supercorndogs]

As limited by the turret system I suspect. These may have 40 or 50 mils total, I am not sure, {I am not familiar with the MX5} but the turret only allows use of 26.

For example, the 4-16x50 Steiner Military had 30+ mils of travel total. But if you go look at the spec sheet it is listed as 19.5, because thats how much travel the turret system allows.

I see someone else saying they have more than 26 total, making me think I am on the right track here, and trying to get you back on the right track. You also said you had more travel, before you set the zero stop. This also makes me think something else is going on here.

 

[Fulcrum]

As limited by the turret system I suspect. These may have 40 or 50 mils total, I am not sure, {I am not familiar with the MX5} but the turret only allows use of 26.

For example, the 4-16x50 Steiner Military had 30+ mils of travel total. But if you go look at the spec sheet it is listed as 19.5, because thats how much travel the turret system allows.

I see someone else saying they have more than 26 total, making me think I am on the right track here, and trying to get you back on the right track. You also said you had more travel, before you set the zero stop. This also makes me think something else is going on here.

Do you not agree with wad2big (up there ?)

 

[supercorndogs]

I think he might have run you off in the weeds because the specs for this Steiner may be listed differently than scopes he is used to using.

Did you have more travel before you set your zero stop?

I believe this poster is saying yes, more than 26 total, but it is limited to 26 by the turret system. I.E the external knobs and shit screwed to the internals of the scope.

26 is the turret. Internal travel is more.

 

[hk dave]

Have you tried a different scope on this rifle?
Have you ever been able to dial this scope to 26?

 

[Fulcrum]

Have you tried a different scope on this rifle?
Have you ever been able to dial this scope to 26?

Yes i've been able to dial it all the way ıp to 26 before.

 

[Fulcrum]

I think he might have run you off in the weeds because the specs for this Steiner may be listed differently than scopes he is used to using.

Did you have more travel before you set your zero stop?

I believe this poster is saying yes, more than 26 total, but it is limited to 26 by the turret system. I.E the external knobs and shit screwed to the internals of the scope.

What he is basicly saying is since the rail and the mount is 0 moa i could use only 13 up and 13 down because it is zeroed in the center. Which makes sense actually but still this is a very powerful scope and i would expect more elevation even though the mount and the base are 0 moa.

 

[whatsupdoc]

I have a M5X, on a 20 MOA rail I get 21 Mils up from my zero. If it was mounted on a ZERO moa rail I would loose 6 mills bring my elevation down to 15 mils, 14 mils is where the second revolution indicator starts and that is pretty much where the OP is.

 

[Fulcrum]

I have a M5X, on a 20 MOA rail I get 21 Mils up from my zero. If it was mounted on a ZERO moa rail I would loose 6 mills bring my elevation down to 15 mils, 14 mils is where the second revolution indicator starts and that is pretty much where the OP is.

Thats whats happening with my case ?

 

[357Max]

Another thing to keep in mind. Scopes are designed to deliver best optical performance when the erector is in the center. When you go into that last 1-2 mil of adjustment top/bottom optical quality will suffer. Mileage will vary depending on manufacturer, but all will have some degradation aproaching extreme ends of travel.

If your actually shooting with the scope elevation in either extreme up/down, then your giving up optical performance.

So what is the intended purpose for your rig? Steel out to 1000, then 20moa rail is about right. 308 ELR 1200+ regularly, then maybe you need 30-40moa cant.

If you unnecessarily run the scope bottomed out @ your 100 yard zero in order to have the max available up elevation, or the other extreme like regularly shooting at 1500 yards with the scope maxed in the up elev because your have zero cant, then your not getting the benefit your German glass was designed to give.

 

[supercorndogs]

What he is basicly saying is since the rail and the mount is 0 moa i could use only 13 up and 13 down because it is zeroed in the center. Which makes sense actually but still this is a very powerful scope and i would expect more elevation even though the mount and the base are 0 moa.

What I was making sure and what I have seen before, is people ending on the second rev on steiner military scopes and loosing half their travel. All be it, on the older Steiner military scopes, and I was not sure if these were the same. Its surprising to see these only having 26 total, where as the old ones had 30+ total. But because of the turret design you would get 19.5 up max. One person with one of them was trying to figure out why they still only had 19.5 after going from a 20 moa to a 40 moa base.

I am more confident that you are squared away now that someone who also has one has chimed in. But sometimes these questions can't be answered in a general fashion because all things are not always the same.

 

[Fulcrum]

Another thing to keep in mind. Scopes are designed to deliver best optical performance when the erector is in the center. When you go into that last 1-2 mil of adjustment top/bottom optical quality will suffer. Mileage will vary depending on manufacturer, but all will have some degradation aproaching extreme ends of travel.

If your actually shooting with the scope elevation in either extreme up/down, then your giving up optical performance.

So what is the intended purpose for your rig? Steel out to 1000, then 20moa rail is about right. 308 ELR 1200+ regularly, then maybe you need 30-40moa cant.

If you unnecessarily run the scope bottomed out @ your 100 yard zero in order to have the max available up elevation, or the other extreme like regularly shooting at 1500 yards with the scope maxed in the up elev because your have zero cant, then your not getting the benefit your German glass was designed to give.

I intend to use this rig below 1000 yards actually