Stupidity of the Left
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So...you want to set an income minimum on who can vote based on income tax? What about all the other taxes people pay even though they don't make enough income to lose out on income taxes?
Tell me, has ridiculous name calling ever helped you convince a liberal of your opinions or helped your side in general?
The founders also had slaves and didn't let women vote. They were wrong about a few things.
I think everyone should have proper id.
Everybody should have to pass an asvab to prove thier brain is cognitive.
Figure that would get rid of half the dems quickly.
Everybody should have to pass an asvab to prove thier brain is cognitive.
Figure that would get rid of half the dems quickly.
They need to improve their skills and get a better job.
Which was properly corrected by amending the constitution.
Don't let that get in the way of a good histrionics lib rant
So screw people who make barely enough to survive and the founders were wrong about a lot of immoral things so we shouldn't copy everything they did.
If you're over 30 years old, without a legitimate disability, and have never had a job making more than minimum wage, you're a loser, plain and simple. Because they chose not to assert themselves doesn't create a requirement for someone else to keep them up. Dawinism has worked beautifully for millions of years, and would still continue to do so, if lefties weren't trying to buy votes from the FSA whose main occupation is voting for freebies every two years.
FWIW-Folks who advocate killing their own children to avoid the consequences of being a road whore probably shouldn't bring up immorality.
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Well iam puttin this troll on the ol ignore list.
I try to stay away from people that want swallow copper coated melon poppers
I try to stay away from people that want swallow copper coated melon poppers
I was agreeing with a clarified version of your statement above that all taxpayers get to vote. I didn’t suggest that someone has to pay a certain amount in taxes, just that they are a taxpayer. If they are a US citizen and file a 1040EZ because they had any income at all, then they can vote. I didn’t suggest it mattered if they didn’t pay >$0, so this doesn’t discriminate based on income, all those who participate in the system earned a vote. Those who don’t work or work under the table don’t get to participate. As for sales taxes and such, nope, those don’t count. If you were suggesting that anyone who buys a pack of gum and pays sales tax should vote then we disagree.
i keep specifying US citizen because it‘s possible for people here illegally to get a taxpayer ID number and actually participate in the tax system. These people don’t get to vote, but at some point in the future they should be at the front of the line for citizenship as they are trying to do things right.
little Mike and nazi George are investing lots of money in their troll armies.
We shouldn't discount everything they did either because of some immoralities-as horrible as they were. Slavery has been around the world-still is in some places- for centuries and America paid a great price to get rid of it.
Just a few examples-The Constitution is a brilliant document that has no equal in the history of the world. The Electoral College is a brilliant invention more applicable today then ever.
"Insignificant amounts" tells me you know little of history.
In 1960, the election was between Nixon and JFK. Now here's a factoid that you have to research a little bit to get to:
Joe Kennedy, as is well known, gained his wealth as a bootlegger during prohibition. In order to do this he had many ties to organized crime. The Mob if you will. Somewhere along the line he pissed off the Colombo family (IIRC) and they had a contract out on his head.
Fast forward and Joe was pulling a lot of strings to get his son elected. (As an aside, it wasn't supposed to be Jack that got this, but Joe Jr.... but little Joe got himself shot down and killed on a secret mission in WWII). So, daddy Joe made a deal with noted Chicago mobster Sam Giancana. First was getting the contract on his head lifted and second was helping JFK get elected. The payoff was supposed to be that once in power, JFK would call the FBI off of the mob activities (RFK would go on to do the opposite... but that's a different story).
So, the 1960 presidential election was the closest in history with JFK winning. JFK won, only because he carried Illinois. He only carried Illinois because he won Cook county (Chicago). He only won Cook county due to how many dead people voted. Just like the Dailey's.
Funny how some districts get more votes than there exists registered voters, isn't it? Yet it seems to never be seriously scrutinized.
Insignificant indeed.
So much troll food for this leftist who has thought nothing through. Wana bet he has 0 friends to shoot with?
The only remotely accurate thing @Greenday4537 has said with any basis in fact is that the Democrat party is "barely liberal". They are a religious party with dogma and orthodoxy, not ideas and policy proscriptions. In that respect Bernie and none of them are at all radicals in as much as they all desire the exact same political outcome and would be fine with the radical vision if we end up in a totalitarian police state.
I would say that the ONLY place they are actually "Liberal" is when it comes to sodomy. They take an actual Liberal philosophy of government not being involved in personal relationships, and reductio ad absurdum to gender reassignment surgery for minor children. The more radical and offensive the perversion the better. Further evidence that the sobriety and faith in the governed that is the hallmark of real liberalism is completely absent on the American left.
"Liberalism" is not leftist societal destruction/deconstruction with the purpose of replacing basic human agencies with an all powerful, totalitarian state. That is communism or fascism (take your pick they're almost the same fucking thing). The Democrats have been socialists for decades, and any mention of the definition, in political science of their beliefs (socialists), has been treated like an insult. Bernie is a full blown, force-first communist. He openly calls for government theft of all wealth, and a totalitarian welfare state; which will of course be benevolent in this it's 100th failed human trial without any success...
You're just a confused little boy trying to reconcile a bunch of pseudo-intellectual garbage you have been indoctrinated into at your public school, and then your publicly funded college. Honestly, I don't blame you. You're probably very smart and got good grades, which is why you paid attention and learned what they taught you. You are just so inexperienced and ignorant you haven't yet begun to question any of it.
Hopefully you won't get what you deserve (and drag down all of us who don't) for rejecting 250+ years of liberty, paid for in blood, for these ridiculous, empty, political promises made by lying charlatans (worse, but just better liars, than Trump). Your grasp of politics seems good. Your grasp of the underlying ideas and their ramifications is really poor.
Greenday4537 on election night 2020.
The only remotely accurate thing @Greenday4537 has said with any basis in fact is that the Democrat party is "barely liberal". They are a religious party with dogma and orthodoxy, not ideas and policy proscriptions. In that respect Bernie and none of them are at all radicals in as much as they all desire the exact same political outcome and would be fine with the radical vision if we end up in a totalitarian police state.
I would say that the ONLY place they are actually "Liberal" is when it comes to sodomy. They take an actual Liberal philosophy of government not being involved in personal relationships, and reductio ad absurdum to gender reassignment surgery for minor children. The more radical and offensive the perversion the better. Further evidence that the sobriety and faith in the governed that is the hallmark of real liberalism is completely absent on the American left.
"Liberalism" is not leftist societal destruction/deconstruction with the purpose of replacing basic human agencies with an all powerful, totalitarian state. That is communism or fascism (take your pick they're almost the same fucking thing). The Democrats have been socialists for decades, and any mention of the definition, in political science of their beliefs (socialists), has been treated like an insult. Bernie is a full blown, force-first communist. He openly calls for government theft of all wealth, and a totalitarian welfare state; which will of course be benevolent in this it's 100th failed human trial without any success...
You're just a confused little boy trying to reconcile a bunch of pseudo-intellectual garbage you have been indoctrinated into at your public school, and then your publicly funded college. Honestly, I don't blame you. You're probably very smart and got good grades, which is why you paid attention and learned what they taught you. You are just so inexperienced and ignorant you haven't yet begun to question any of it.
Hopefully you won't get what you deserve (and drag down all of us who don't) for rejecting 250+ years of liberty, paid for in blood, for these ridiculous, empty, political promises made by lying charlatans (worse, but just better liars, than Trump). Your grasp of politics seems good. Your grasp of the underlying ideas and their ramifications is really poor.
Greenday4537 on election night 2020.
Every forum I've ever participated in gets a new bumper crop of lefties spewing nonsense just before election time.
A "progressive" criticizing the Constitution is as absurd as Stalin lecturing Mother Teresa on the need for human compassion.
our founding fathers would have tarred and feathered these clowns, and sent them packing to Canada. I personally think that remains a valid solution.
I could post some from the ACLU but because they are liberal, I assume you'll automatically ignore it.
What We Know About Voter ID Laws
Estimating the effects of measures is a tricky business.fivethirtyeight.com
How Voter ID Laws Discriminate Against Racial Minorities
A new study finds evidence that strict voting laws do suppress the ballot by race.www.theatlantic.com
You're insufferably stupid. You got outmaneuvered on the ID thing so easily it wasn't even funny.
I thought I had seen the bottom of your stupid pit, but I guess I was wrong.
Keep digging
So a bunch of troll responses are all I get. And opinions not based on fact. Complaints about the bogeyman funding liberalism. Also a conspiracy theory never proven about voter fraud 60 years ago in a single election that involves completely unrelated issues to "voter fraud" today.
Can you guys get your arguments straight? One guy going off on a homophobic rant, a couple lame attempts at insults, some people just making stuff up that I never said. Seriously, I can have a legit debate with people who rationally argue like The DFC or broncoaz. But I'm not going to attempt to debate people who only post memes, only insult, and just repeat ridiculous stereotypes. Is it that much to ask for civil discourse? None of you would dare say that crap to someone's face so why would I care about someone trying to act tough behind a keyboard.
Can you guys get your arguments straight? One guy going off on a homophobic rant, a couple lame attempts at insults, some people just making stuff up that I never said. Seriously, I can have a legit debate with people who rationally argue like The DFC or broncoaz. But I'm not going to attempt to debate people who only post memes, only insult, and just repeat ridiculous stereotypes. Is it that much to ask for civil discourse? None of you would dare say that crap to someone's face so why would I care about someone trying to act tough behind a keyboard.
Why don't you post up some of your field gear so we can see how serious you are.
@TheGerman.... you're on deck in the batter's circle now.
@Greenday4537
Can you name anything the left offers that isn't based on avoiding personal responsibility and/or getting free stuff?
It's not just a stereotype if it's true.
Can you name anything the left offers that isn't based on avoiding personal responsibility and/or getting free stuff?
It's not just a stereotype if it's true.
The difference between a lib and a soccer ball?
They both are only good for one thing, getting kicked around.
They both are only good for one thing, getting kicked around.
Meh, ok. The last reloads I did, my bench, one of my recent 100 yard targets, my embarrassing pistol skills, my 6.5cm.
Why don't you post up some of your field gear so we can see how serious you are.
@TheGerman.... you're on deck in the batter's circle now.
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That was one of the tangents Fig went off on where he was trying to say liberals are horrible for not caring about people being gay or whatever.
I think he was saying the only freedoms modern "liberals" care about are crotch-centric.
Yea, you've got your 1 issue people everywhere. I know some where it's the only thing they care about.
I just want people able to be free in their personal lives. And I think most of us here agree on many things like healthcare is a necessity (how its paid for is where we differ) or voter fraud is wrong (whether it's significant or not clearly is where we differ).
Free in their personal lives is in direct contradiction with forced participation in others healthcare expenses.
I've lived amongst Chicago for a bit, voter fraud is rampant.
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I've lived amongst Chicago for a bit, voter fraud is rampant.
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I want a free education for my children and grandchildren...
I want free health care...
I want free cell phones...
I want all poor kids to have their college loans paid off...
I want there to be a Green America with no gasoline driven vehicles within the next 7 years...
I want free legalized pot...
I want open Borders...
I want to give anyone breathing to be able to vote...
I want it all...
BUT...
Who is going to pay the BILL !!!
I am. You are. And the future couple generations maybe if we are lucky...
Let the Democrats run free and wild. Let them nominate Bernie...Hillarious...Minus Mike...The name no one can spell or pronounce...
This will just make President Donald Trump, President for another 4 years, and Pence or Donald Jr for 8 years after that...
( when you look at the above, you should realize that this is a track to a Dictatorial Communist government.)
I want free health care...
I want free cell phones...
I want all poor kids to have their college loans paid off...
I want there to be a Green America with no gasoline driven vehicles within the next 7 years...
I want free legalized pot...
I want open Borders...
I want to give anyone breathing to be able to vote...
I want it all...
BUT...
Who is going to pay the BILL !!!
I am. You are. And the future couple generations maybe if we are lucky...
Let the Democrats run free and wild. Let them nominate Bernie...Hillarious...Minus Mike...The name no one can spell or pronounce...
This will just make President Donald Trump, President for another 4 years, and Pence or Donald Jr for 8 years after that...
( when you look at the above, you should realize that this is a track to a Dictatorial Communist government.)
I don't think that's what he was going for but I could be wrong. Seems to me it was a comment on how some of the left are so fixated on gender/sex identity and the freedom to be what you are that they think they have the "freedom" or "right" to dictate what their own children are to the point of forcing a boy to become a "girl".
Not by any standard... The current crop of Democrats are the very definition of left wing facists... seizing inherited wealth, permanently fixing state bureaucrats into every nook and cranny of our lives, heretofore unimaginable sums spent on education (student loan forgiveness, in the current proposed case)... sound familiar? This is not subtle.
Is it difficult at all to weave a thread from National Socialism to Democratic Socialism?
The best I could say about the Democratic party with respect to liberalism is that they are illiberal.
The Republican structure is, by and large, a pack of eunuchs who are rendered inert and remain in a state navel gazing and wonderment at the success of Trump. Entrenched Republican leadership has no better understanding of how pissed off much of a very centrist America is at both parties than are the Democrats.
Sorry, didn't see that one.
Education, healthcare, etc. We are well aware that it's taxes and not the tooth fairy who is paying for them. But the current privatized system, even before the ACA, basically involves us being price gouged by insurance companies and healthcare providers. Healthcare providers and insurance companies convince us healthcare is super expensive and that insurance companies help us. Then charge us obscene amounts in deductibles and premiums. So now people really believe a bandage at a hospital costs $10 or an IV bag is worth $150. With one insurance company (a.k.a. universal healthcare), prices of healthcare can be brought down if providers want to get paid.
Education is a fascinating situation. Colleges went from this rare thing to everyone is going in a very short time period. Demand went up so prices went up. Guaranteed loans made people feel comfortable going into debt. Kids were brainwashed into thinking they had to go to college if they wanted to be anything. Ideally, students would have to earn their public paid education. Minimum amount of credits per semester, minimum grades, minimum attendance. You'd need to prove you could make it before you start, then continue to prove you are making it.
It works in many other countries. No reason Americans aren't smart enough to figure out how to make it work.
We aren't even asking for levels of socialism seen in Canada or Europe. Yet they have no problems with staying free and not fascist. Why would you assume we would be so drastically different?
Democratic Socialism is a dichotomy of terms. Socialism by its very nature is autocratic and enforced by the barrel of a gun in every instance.
I think we've all done things at one time or another that we couldn't afford to do as money was tight but I also think if the POTUS that important to you, you'd find a way to afford a ID or find a way to get one.
We often find ways to manage regardless of our situation, so why is it as important as voting for our rights we don't want dead people removed from the voting register, making ID's a racist thing, and (NY) giving the rights to vote to those who have state DL which now anybody breathing can have regardless of being a citizen or not. I view this as the Dimwitts why of letting illegals to influence our voting.
Why is it that whatever doesn't agree with you nobody should be able to do or think it.
remember when you use your 1st Amendment rights you could possibly infringe on the rights of others, it's not wrong to use your rights but respect the rights that others have as well.
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We often find ways to manage regardless of our situation, so why is it as important as voting for our rights we don't want dead people removed from the voting register, making ID's a racist thing, and (NY) giving the rights to vote to those who have state DL which now anybody breathing can have regardless of being a citizen or not. I view this as the Dimwitts why of letting illegals to influence our voting.
Why is it that whatever doesn't agree with you nobody should be able to do or think it.
remember when you use your 1st Amendment rights you could possibly infringe on the rights of others, it's not wrong to use your rights but respect the rights that others have as well.
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So you don't think education and healthcare are personal responsibilities???
Why should a triathlete pay the healtcare costs of a lard assed couch potato who gets winded walking from the couch to the fridge?
Why should a childless couple pay to send someone else's kids to school?
I think there's a basic disconnect here.
If you were stranded on a deserted island, you would have to cobble together some kind of shelter, find food and water, and attend to all your other needs. If you didn't you would die. Living in a society doesn't relieve you of those obligations, it just makes it easier, as you can trade your skills for someone else's.
With all due respect, that is a gross misrepresentation. Private healthcare certainly existed well before 1973, but that is when the government (Dick Nixon) stepped in and gave us the HMO - at a point in history when 83% of every hospital in America was non-profit, that the very slow swirl began. Healthcare costs grew, easy access to healthcare by the uninsured became less than convenient... boooom -->> we get ACA, which of course solved absolutely nothing healthcare related. Nor was it intended to, IMHO.
So, instead of going back to what worked, government wants to fix it again. No thank you.
No, it has not worked well for Great Britain, or many other countries. Fortunately, for many Britons, private health insurance has become a way for many employers (Virgin Atlantic, et al) to attract the best employees. For such employers it is a strategic advantage. The force behind dismantling this employee benefit is by employers who do not want to compete for highly qualified employees on the basis of this cost.
The single payer system is about control. It has nothing to do with healthcare delivery.
As for fasicm in Europe, and its current growth or demise, you seem to be at odds with every major news organization and think tank that covers the topic.
Being dichotomous or not is completely beside the point. It is an equivalent to National Socialism. Throw etymology out of the window, (a rose by any other name or a septic tank by any other name...). All that matters is that their progenitors have identical intellectual roots and they have the same stated goals. I am arguing that the outcome will be exactly the same. We have seen one play out and I don't care to see it happen again.
Edit: I do recognize your point and I do think it is a catch-phrase developed by the ingenuous for the retarded.
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You propose the situation is as simple as healthy people being forced to pay for people who are unhealthy due to laziness. But that's not always the case. How many people refuse to take an ambulance because of how much it will cost? That should never be an issue in an emergency. Or people who have an accident, go to the hospital, get treated by someone out of network, insurance won't cover it, then suddenly they owe tens of thousands of dollars. How many people refuse to get an issue checked out because they are worried about how much it will cost to get taken care of? These are all issues that wouldn't ever exist under universal healthcare.
I agree. It's an absurdly important thing to do to vote and we need to put in the effort to do it. I'm just saying we need to make that as easily as humanly possible to do.
From your perspective I can see how you see and believe these things.
You've not experienced any of these ideals prior to government monopolization.
Price gouging was a direct effect started by crony capitalism.
In a non controlled market quality and price are dictated by the market not CEOs.
See Epipens.
By lending programs the Gov/Higher Ed ramped the price through the roof for higher ed.
Create a exponential increase in synthetic demand with practially unlimited lending dollars.
Who told these prospective students they need a sheep skin to be successful?
Who sold out the blue collar jobs their fathers/Grandfathers had?
I'd quit using other countries as benchmark as even they are coming here.
Canada and Europe aren't anywhere near free, check their hate speech laws just for a starter.
Also gunlaws, wait times to see a doctor, the taxes they are going to pay for "global warming" ect. ad nauseam
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It's thanks to liberalism that women can vote, slavery was abolished, civil rights, work conditions improved, education improved, food safety laws...quite a few things we can thank liberals for. Which of those are destructive again?
Why are you entertaining this racist bigot?
The mere claim that blacks and browns are unable to get an ID is racist.
His claim that democraps are moderate and that it's the Republicans have gone so far right that the democraps look worse than they are is pure bullshit.
He's spewed the libtard talking points verbatim.
Have fun entertaining the communist.
The mere claim that blacks and browns are unable to get an ID is racist.
His claim that democraps are moderate and that it's the Republicans have gone so far right that the democraps look worse than they are is pure bullshit.
He's spewed the libtard talking points verbatim.
Have fun entertaining the communist.
By todays definition you are wrong.
Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia
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I'm sorry, but I don't exactly feel sympathy for people in Europe not being allowed to promote genocide and such. Whoopee, cant fly a Nazi flag in Germany anymore. Is that so horrible?
Gun laws, yes. Different situations.
Wait times? If I'm waiting at the ER with a broken finger and someone shows up with a stab wound pouring out blood, that other person should be seen first. That's exactly how it's done in other countries. And wait times in America suck too. Try seeing a specialist. Plenty have wait lists that go back nearly a month. I had kidney stones once. Urologist told me he could see me in three weeks. Waiting to see a doctor is nothing new in this country.
I said liberal, not Democrat.By todays definition you are wrong.
Susan B Anthony was a Republican.Women's suffrage in the United States - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
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If you ask a question like that, the totalitarian socialists will start talking about classical liberalism and claim those accomplishments.
Sort of like how the Turks murdered off the Byzantines and then moved into their civilization. They didn't build it, but they'll gladly take credit for it.
Classical liberalism, now known as Constitutional conservatism, is responsible for all the great enlightened actions which placed individual rights before the mandates of government and aristocracy. Totalitarian socialism is all of the oppressive slavery of the past, in a modern brightly colored candy shell.
