Gunsmithing Surgeon/AI Chassis stock and the 308 snuffer gun

[LRI]

Tag team on this one. Dad and son putting some sticks together.

first is a Surgeon chambered in 6mmx45 (necked up 223) setup to shoot 95 Bergers. Stock is an AI chassis deal.

2nd is a 16.25" 308 fitted for a suppressor and squashed into an H/S stock. Not crazy on the stock, but were just doing assembly so I can't call this one a "full build."


First little change was whittling on the bolt handle inlet to clear the Surgeon action. Instead of dickering with a sine plate to match up the angle I just surfaced it. .005" stepover with a .1875" OD endmill made quick work of it.

Next was wizzing .06" off the bottom of the recoil lug. Seemed to make more sense this way than cutting the stock again. Trying to catch that perfect edge on the stock and ensuring it was perfectly square was more trouble than the outcome. cutting the lug is far less drama and cleaner looking. Especially since we'll be coating this one. (both actually)

The 308 is a short/fat little chit. Nothing too exotic. Accurized action that I did a few months ago and a barrel job. I'll be stuffing a Badger floor metal into it also.

Should be about wrapped up with these two tomorrow.

Woo hoo!

C.

 

[81sfo]

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Great work as always Chad.I'd like to see more of the Shorty 308!

 

[spot69221]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Forwardeyes</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...I'd like to see more of the Shorty 308!</div></div>

That's what she said

 

[Bruiser_Joe]

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i LOVE the shorty barreled guns, can't wait to see it

 

[Nessal]

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You guys got the best job in the world.

 

[Wes3377]

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I wouldnt mind hearing how those 95 gr bergers work out for you. I manage a high fenced ranch as a second job and kill about 30 deer a year. My 6x45mm shoots 85 gr gamekings and kills deer like I like: no fuss, low noise, go 60 yards and fall over without having to shovel scrambled lungs out. Normally I have a nickel to quarter sized exit on 160 lb deer with a good blood trail.

 

[LRI]

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Good morning!

Here's what I've got so far. Stock work is done!

As many have prolly come to realize, I'm rather opinionated on a few things. H/S stocks and I have never shared much of a symbiont relationship. They annoy the snot out of me to truthful.

This would be one reason why. As the photo shows they have this feature on the bottom of the stock. I assume its for their detachable magazine system. I don't quite understand it because I've used them on other guns and it works fine without it.

the annoyance is when installing a floor metal you end up with the "hips" of the thing sticking out of the stock. Reminds of little skinny kids running around in Africa.

The back end of the floor metal ends up sitting proud too. As the photo with the scale (ruler) shows the draft angle on the forend does not flow to the grip. It changes. So your left with little in terms of options. The height is set by the magazine box. If I bury the floor metal to flush up the rear guard screw then the magazine has to be shortened. This will goof with capacity and cause the front screw to be buried under the stock. If I "kink" the angle then the magazine isn't square to the bore line. This too creates its own set of problems compounded by needing to shorten the box yet again. Nevermind that jacking up the back end of the floor metal negatively impacts the feed ramp angle of the cartridge when it tries to chamber. Bullets would want to crash into the base of the feed ramp or miss it entirely.

Grrrrrrrrr.r.r.r.rr.rr..r.rr.ad;lfjas;fjasf;lasjf;adslfjs;fj

Just bugs me.



Rant over.

So, here's where were at. Floor metal is all done.

Now we can get to engraving the cartridge on the barrel and prep for the cerakote.

Woo hoo!

 

[buckey]

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Chad,

You said above you accurized the action - was that Surgeon action out of spec or off a little??

If it was, that suprises me cause Surgeon is on top of their game when it comes to machining their actions.

 

[LRI]

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Were building two guns here.

The Surgeon is fine.

It's the Remmy that we whittled on.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2nd is a 16.25" 308 fitted for a suppressor and squashed into an H/S stock. Not crazy on the stock, but were just doing assembly so I can't call this one a "full build."
</div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 308 is a short/fat little chit. Nothing too exotic. Accurized action that I did a few months ago and a barrel job. I'll be stuffing a Badger floor metal into it also.</div></div>

 

[buckey]

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Ok - my bad, I misread your post.

PS - Love your gunsmithing pics,very interesting!!

 

[gunnergirl81]

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Chad,
My hubby loves the HSP stocks, one of his many wierd hangups. Before he broke down and sold off most of his M24 he had the Sunny Hill BM. It blended like a turd in the punch bowl with the stock. Fast forward several years and as I'm slowly piecing together the parts to get his stick out of the bottom of the safe I come across a Kwik Klip DBM we had laying in the odd shit pile and figure its better than nothing for now. Well, it blends danmed near perfectly with the stock. He even noticed it and snorted.

But anyway, there is your solution. Get an HSP LA stock in? Just use the cheapest, most craptacular DBM you can find and it'll be perfect.

 

[aveisone]

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My HS precision fit funny too. Then the rear trigger guard screw stripped itself out shooting. My next stock Ill spend the money for AICS.

 

[GUNNER75]

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I don't see the issue with the HS stock as it is designed to accommodate the factory Remington BDL Floorplate.

Please inform me what I am missing on this.

 

[LRI]

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Look at the photo.

Half the bottom metal is hanging out the bottom of the stock.

It should fit 1:1 with the draft angle. The hinged floor plate should suck up to the bottom of the stock.

Can't do it with this (as is) because the draft angle on the forend isn't the same as the angle just ahead of the grip. Then to further complicate matters the mag box section of the stock is scalloped out (down/up depending upon how you look at it) even more.

From a function standpoint its fine. It'll work fine and live a long life. Just annoys me because it looks cobbled to me. We don't build our guns like this. This is just helping a guy out so he and his Dad can go kill stuff this fall.

C.

 

[LRI]

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6mm x 45 is all done. 308 is still in the oven. Won't assemble till the am.

Not too chabby. This is Titanium Blue. I like it.

Gnite!

C.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

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Nice work X2
Are you suprised at how much material needs to be remover from the bolt well on the ACIS in order to get the bolt to drop?

I had to remove about .180 for Jerry's bolt handle to clear.

 

[LRI]

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The angle on the AI is 45*. The surgeon is 50*. At the top/inside I barely took anything. Outward/down 5* worth of material got whittled off.

The jewel trigger required more out of the trigger well than I had expected. Getting the safety to work was the catch.

C.

 

[SONIC SAAMI]

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That's a lot of chopping

I found the bottom safety Jewell will clear the ACIS trigger well.

 

[BlackOps Tech]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: C. Dixon</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Look at the photo.

Half the bottom metal is hanging out the bottom of the stock.

It should fit 1:1 with the draft angle. The hinged floor plate should suck up to the bottom of the stock.

Can't do it with this (as is) because the draft angle on the forend isn't the same as the angle just ahead of the grip. Then to further complicate matters the mag box section of the stock is scalloped out (down/up depending upon how you look at it) even more.

From a function standpoint its fine. It'll work fine and live a long life. Just annoys me because it looks cobbled to me. We don't build our guns like this. This is just helping a guy out so he and his Dad can go kill stuff this fall.

C. </div></div>

I agree with and share Chad's sentiment on HS stocks. Quite frankly, I really don't like them. We actually carve out the majority of the Aluminum "bedding" block and refill the stock.

We also have to address the issues that Chad pointed out here with the angles on the bottom of the stock. We recut the bottom of the stock, glass it over and hand finish it correctly. They're a royal pain to work with....