Rifle Scopes SWFA 1-4X SS

#3
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

Coming soon, breaking ou the camera now.

General specs:

1-4X24
illuminated FFP reticle
target turrets (same as on the new 3-9 and 10X HD)
great site picture
no tunneling at any power
heavy-duty but not too heavy.
great eye relief.

Pictures ASAP.
 
#9
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

First, I hate field gear getting a "bay window" review, hate it! But, UPS guys just left, figured you'd rather see it sooner than later.

Tomorrow, it will be on a rifle and on the range, so action shots will be coming.

Here are the first few.

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In short, it is a fine optic, well worth the wait and $$.
Will try to get a decent shot of the reticle
 
#11
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: seven mm</div><div class="ubbcode-body">looks interesting, what's the price? </div></div>

I'll 2nd that. Price range????

Any idea on when they will be available?
 
#12
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

I asked about availability, was told "when it's ready."

Price, I think, is somewhere around/under $750.


Looked at it next to Meopta 104, glass is every bit as good, if not slightly better. Anyone in Houston area got a short dot to compare it to?
 
#15
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, this is prototype, look at the pics and tell me what you think. I've already made a few requests, now is your chance to say what you want in a 1-4X FFP battle-ready scope. </div></div>

Capped or locked turrets. Maybe I'm weird, but I do a lot less dialing and a lot more holding on carbines, so exposed turrets are a lot less important to me on this type of optic.
 
#18
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

Wow, 10mil turrets! Wish the 3-9x42FFP and 10x42HD had those!

Couple questions:
-Is this a true 1x?
-How is daytime illumination?
-Battery type and expected life?
-Reticle?
-Chance of smaller capped turrets? Maybe two models, one capped/locked as per Mumbles, one exposed?
-Weight?
-Does the illumination dial have detents, and if so, can the illumination be turned off between each intensity level, or do you have to dial all the way to "OFF?"
 
#19
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

wow - I'll take a prototype to test out!
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Been looking at the burris xtr-14 myself. So this an extremely interesting development (or monkey wrench in my plan).
 
#22
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

Oh why oh why would I want a FFP 1-4x scope? My suggestion is to make it SFP. That and a mil-scale reticle with a large aiming ring would be excellent. I want speed (CQB) AND precision (300-700 meters). A reticle like that is what has been missing in the 1-4x world!

Something like USO's JNG reticle would AWESOME!

If it has to be FFP, I sure hope the illumination is daytime visible.


A RETICLE LIKE THIS!
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#24
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Basher</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Wow, 10mil turrets! Wish the 3-9x42FFP and 10x42HD had those!

Couple questions:
-Is this a true 1x?
-How is daytime illumination?
-Battery type and expected life?
-Reticle?
-Chance of smaller capped turrets? Maybe two models, one capped/locked as per Mumbles, one exposed?
-Weight?
-Does the illumination dial have detents, and if so, can the illumination be turned off between each intensity level, or do you have to dial all the way to "OFF?"

</div></div>


It's prototype, so changes can be made, so long as they are improvements to the masses, I guess.

Looks to be "true" 1X, will do some testing to verify, but NOT anything like Millett's "1X."

Illumination is still being perfected. Pics coming soon. There is some "light scatter" in the tube when the illumination is on full tilt (just as in my Aimpoint and in most other "bright" illumination optics.) They are working on reducing the scatter. It is only noticeable at the highest setting. In full sunlight, the scatter isn't visible but the illuminated portion of the reticle is.

Battery is 2032, not sure on life expectancy, just got the scope, will fail the battery in testing.

Chances of smaller, capped: ask Chris at SWFA (a sponsor here on the Hide.)

Weight: TBD

Illumination adjustment is a rheostat, no stops between the numbers, no detents, spin it to desired intensity setting. At 1, it is barely visible in low light; at 10 in low light, lots of scatter in the tube. At 10 in full sunlight, red portion of reticle is red and clearly illuminated.

Real field testing begins tomorrow.
 
#27
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

While I like this offering from SWFA I think that if Trijicon simply added a reticle with holdoffs/overs to their TRG Accupoint 1-4 line it would be about perfect.
 
#28
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh why oh why would I want a FFP 1-4x scope? My suggestion is to make it SFP. That and a mil-scale reticle with a large aiming ring would be excellent. I want speed (CQB) AND precision (300-700 meters). A reticle like that is what has been missing in the 1-4x world!

Something like USO's JNG reticle would AWESOME!

If it has to be FFP, I sure hope the illumination is daytime visible.


A RETICLE LIKE THIS!
get_image.jpg

</div></div>

At the moment, the illumination is daytime visible. As said above, at its highest setting, there is scatter in the tube, but you only see the scatter in low light. As I said to Chris, "Who the hell cares if there is scatter at the highest setting in the darkest conditions?"

The reticle is similar to USOs, but without the outer circle and with multiple aiming points down the vertical, pictures up tomorrow at the latest on the reticle, in low light and full sun, illumination and without. Also, no numbers anywhere on the reticle. Any description won't do it justice, pictures soon.


And yea, glass as good as Meopta is high praise, but it is genuinely that good.
 
#31
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh why oh why would I want a FFP 1-4x scope? My suggestion is to make it SFP. That and a mil-scale reticle with a large aiming ring would be excellent. I want speed (CQB) AND precision (300-700 meters). A reticle like that is what has been missing in the 1-4x world!

Something like USO's JNG reticle would AWESOME!

A RETICLE LIKE THIS!
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</div></div>


So what your looking for is a Vortex PST 1-4? Mil/Mil or Moa/Moa

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1-4x24TMCQ_MRAD_4x_Closeup.jpg


Reticle-1445.jpg


Not shitting on the SS 1-4. Looks nice, hope it turns out to be a great scope.



 
#32
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

My only beef with the Vortex reticle is that the crosshairs don't continue to the edge of view. Their reticle is cool, but it is going to look tiny, tiny, tiny in the middle of that scope. I learned that the hard way with a Burris XTR, and a Meopta, and a Nightforce.

Also, do the thick, circular lines on the Vortex 1-4x reticle show up when the illumination is off? Or are they simply there when the illumination is turned on?

Below is my NF 1-4x with SFP Mil-Dot, both with the illumination on and off.

As you can see, it sucks ass for CQB, but I love it for long range hold-overs. Some thicker plex lines running to the edges would have made a world of difference. Vortex and SWFA should take note. And USO should offer their JNG reticle in their 1-4x model!


OFF
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ON
1x_on_10.jpg


 
#34
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Dantrom</div><div class="ubbcode-body">would like to see a less expensive version without the FFP. personally, dont range with my mils. </div></div>
There's a lot more uses for mils than just ranging. But I too would prefer SFP in a scope this low-powered. I can't imagine mils being too useful for anything at all under 4x.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My only beef with the Vortex reticle is that the crosshairs don't continue to the edge of view. Their reticle is cool, but it is going to look tiny, tiny, tiny in the middle of that scope...[cut]...Some thicker plex lines running to the edges would have made a world of difference. Vortex and SWFA should take note.</div></div>
^That.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
So what your looking for is a Vortex PST 1-4? Mil/Mil or Moa/Moa
</div></div>
Yes. Yes I am. Didn't realize I was missing out on one. Time to go poke around the internet and see what they cost. Still wish it had capped or locked turrets. At least for the windage, I can live with the elevation being open. It still looks like the best option in the 1-4x range.
 
#35
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Also, do the thick, circular lines on the Vortex 1-4x reticle show up when the illumination is off? Or are they simply there when the illumination is turned on?</div></div>

Yes, the outter circular lines do show up when the illumination is off. The small picture at the end of my last post shows what the reticle looks like when illuminated.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mumbles</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Yes. Yes I am. Didn't realize I was missing out on one. Time to go poke around the internet and see what they cost. Still wish it had capped or locked turrets. At least for the windage, I can live with the elevation being open. It still looks like the best option in the 1-4x range. </div></div>

Remember the Pst line has zero stop. (not like NF or other higher end brands, but a shim system that comes with the scope that acks as a Zero stop)

In regaurds to the OP I suggest someone start a new thread about all 1-4 powered optics. I don't like shitting in persons thread when it was started for other reasons. Like showing off the SWFA 1-4x scope.
 
#37
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: boone</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Oh why oh why would I want a FFP 1-4x scope? My suggestion is to make it SFP. That and a mil-scale reticle with a large aiming ring would be excellent. I want speed (CQB) AND precision (300-700 meters). A reticle like that is what has been missing in the 1-4x world!

Something like USO's JNG reticle would AWESOME!

A RETICLE LIKE THIS!
get_image.jpg

</div></div>


So what your looking for is a Vortex PST 1-4? Mil/Mil or Moa/Moa

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1-4x24TMCQ_MRAD_4x_Closeup.jpg


Reticle-1445.jpg


Not shitting on the SS 1-4. Looks nice, hope it turns out to be a great scope.



</div></div>

It does look nice. Now I am getting excited
 
#38
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

For those dying to see the reticle, if RC doesn't mind my piggybacking on his thread, here are some shots. My photography isn't the best tonight so some are a bit blurry but it should give you an idea. I'll hit the range with it this weekend for some outdoor shots.

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<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="font-size: 17pt">Who is it?</span></span> 20 ft:

PICT0089.JPG



10 ft:

PICT0072.JPG



Keep in mind, this is just a prototype. There will be changes to the production version, specifically making it a bit easier to see on 1X.

Overall I'm extremely impressed with the scope. While I didn't have time for pics before dark I did take it outside and the glass is extremely good. No tunnel vision effect on any power, no noticeable distortion of any sort, and very, very sharp. I'll have more comparisons later.

I love the new knobs--lower profile and 10 mil per turn. I wish my SS 3-9 had those knobs! When you choose not to use the BDC function of the reticle but dial instead, a single turn will get you as far as you're going to do anything with an AR and a 4X scope.
 
#39
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

Based on that bottom reticle pic, it doesn't appear to be a true 1x, but more like a 1.1x or so (see how the door frame doesn't follow a continuous line, but appears a wee bit larger in the scope's view). Still, looks great so far! Things are going to get interesting between all these new entries into the mid-priced 1-4x market (Vortex Viper PST, SWFA SS, etc)!
 
#40
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

I would rather have a simple mildot reticle. The BDC reticles are a novel idea, but I feel they are too busy with the varying sizes of circles and dot spacing. It might be great if it matches the load you are using, but that's not a feature I really need.
 
#41
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

Keep in mind in that pic the camera is 10 ft away, the objective of the scope is only about 9 ft away. I think when you're that close, for a scope to look perfect for the camera it would need to be slightly under 1X which would naturally make things look smaller once you get beyond a few feet away. Such is the nature of scopes, they'll never be a true "window" like an Eotech.

But I think this one is about as close as you're going to get. Beyond 20 ft, 10 yds+, etc, there is no detectable magnification either way at all. Hopefully some range pics will show it a bit better.
 
#42
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

SWFA needs to drop the BDC part of the reticle.

that all by its self would stop my from buying this.

Just do a tick mark Mil-Dot that matches the turrets.

Why have a .1 Mil adjusted and a BDC reticle????????????????????

John
 
#44
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SWFA needs to drop the BDC part of the reticle.

that all by its self would stop my from buying this.

Just do a tick mark Mil-Dot that matches the turrets.

Why have a .1 Mil adjusted and a BDC reticle????????????????????

John </div></div>

AMEN, AMEN . . .

The same reason I didn't buy the 1/4x IOR Pitbull.
 
#47
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

Jon may not have moved the power down to 1X, but mine is a true 1X (or very, very close.)


Range report inbound.

So, the suggestion for the reticle is to keep the center aiming point and move to a mil scale on the vertical or on vertical and horizontal?

The rationale, as I understand it, for the multiple aiming points is that they align with 5.56 NATO ball, so one has the option of dialing in or holding over.
 
#48
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: glock24</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: J.Boyette</div><div class="ubbcode-body">SWFA needs to drop the BDC part of the reticle.

that all by its self would stop my from buying this.

Just do a tick mark Mil-Dot that matches the turrets.

Why have a .1 Mil adjusted and a BDC reticle????????????????????

John </div></div>

AMEN, AMEN . . .

The same reason I didn't buy the 1/4x IOR Pitbull. </div></div>
 
#49
Re: SWFA 1-4X SS

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rancid Coolaid</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

So, the suggestion for the reticle is to keep the center aiming point and move to a mil scale on the vertical or on <span style="text-decoration: underline">vertical and horizontal</span>? <span style="color: #3333FF">YES!</span>

The rationale, as I understand it, for the multiple aiming points is that they align with 5.56 NATO ball, so one has the option of dialing in or holding over. </div></div>

A BDC reticle for 5.56mm ball is simply catering to the ignorant. In other words, the folks who are afraid to learn the universal mil-scale reticle system.

An ammo specific BDC sucks because it is limited to specific bullet weights. It is also normally inaccurate as there is no way to account for velocity and environment variations with each customer's weapon and situation.

I know SWFA is simply playing the numbers game as it relates to preceived scope sales, but consider this; it would be super cool if SWFA could create a website tool like the one used by NF and their Velocity reticles. A customer could then simply look up their ammo specs, enter their velocity, and then some sort of grapical interface would calculate the trajectory and show them their exact hold-over points on this 1-4x reticle. Exact hold-over points with their <span style="text-decoration: underline">exact ammo and situation</span>. A mil-scale system allows this exactness. A BDC reticle trys to make one size fit all.

This website tool could then be the "hand-holding" exercise for shooters who are new to milliradians. They will soon see however that a universal mil-scale is so much more accomodating than a custom BDC, especially with matching adjustment knobs!

SWFA - you guys are very close, but don't stop!


 
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