T1x 200 yards Lapua Xact VS CenterX his and hers

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Hi Folks. Both me and my wife are shooting identical T1x. We have both been working thru various brands and lots of ammo to see what works best for use. All along we were hoping to be able to shoot the same lot of whatever ammo was best just to keep ammo selections to a minimum.

We decided to go with the SK/ Lapua lines without really working thru either Eley or RWS

background is we bought these are .22 trainers for when we can’t get to the 1000 yard + range with our TacA1 6.5cm ( a bit of a drive )

so far we have been very happy with these T1x’s.
Our local range is limited to 200 yards and that is where we shoot these most of the time.

So today we decided to try out the Lapua Xact up against our 2 lots of CenterX we have.

Here are the results.

we both shot the CenterX per 6x5 rules just as a mixed lot. All 6 groups consecutive. ( just rolled right into 191 for group 4-6

as this is the first time shooting the Xact we were not sure where the POI would be so we shot some sighters and then shot the 6x5 using the Xact

you can see that we both seem to show that the Xact would not be worth the cost.

nice day today. We both won today’s shoot off. I can claim best average and she can claim best group.

anyway. I’ve been seeing lots of questions about how the T1x does with various ammo and wanted to post up our experience to day on A sample of 2 T1x

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You both actually did very well at 200 yards with 22lr.
Very little lateral spread, mostly vertical caused by mv variations.
Typically I expect a total of 4 inches of spread from a box of decent ammo.
From a superb box of 22 lr, 3.5 inches.
If the box was damn near magic, 3 inches.

If you feel really ambitious, attempt 50 shots at a single aimpoint.
It will make you appreciate just how good y'er results are.

Well done to the both of you.
 
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what you running for glass and rings on the T1X?
both guns set up the same

T1x is in OEM stock. Front barrel block removed and channel opened up a bit more for clearance. Front has 1 lb of #9 shot w/epoxy rear has 3lbs in mine , 4 lbs in hers. ( mine is neutral balance , hers slight rear bias Victor Titan rest. Tikka T3 butt pad. Tikka vert pistol grip


Harris bipod w/ podloc

scope is Sightron S3 6-24x50

rings are Seekins .97

area419 30moa rail

trigger at 2lbs mine 2.5lbs hers

when I picked these guns up a few months ago I had every intention of going right into a chassis to mimic our TacA1’s. But now seeing how well they shoot like this and honestly they are perfectly comfortable to shoot we will be keeping them like this.

can’t say enough good things about our experience with Sightron scopes. Glass is superb and tracking is always spot on.

our sample of Sightrons are
1 x SVSS10-50x60 her TacA16.5cm
2 x S3 6-24x50 our T1x’s.22
1x S3 8-32-56 my TacA16.5cm

not an issue with any of them. We shoot out to 1100 yards on the 6.5’s and usually are at power 18ish Spot the hits, misses, easily. I’ve shot to a mile and have no issue whatsoever in spotting all my misses. :)Clarity is fantastic No issues with our eyes getting tired or anything. ( we both shoot with both eyes open

had to add the shot and epoxy to the front to stop the flex ( stiffen it up ) that caused by POI to shift each timeI got down and loaded the bipod.

We both agree that we are not shooting consistently and can tell when a shot didn’t go quite as planned. These little guns are really a hoot and we are both learning a lot about our shooting fundamentals and how we can improve. Should really help when we go long next time out with the 6.5’s.

we do hope to stretch these .22’s out also to see how they hold up at 300 and 400. I’m trying to set up a time to do some paper groups at 300 and 400 but that may take a bit to schedule.
 

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I'd be interested to know if the glass gets tired.

Nice shooting btw.
Thank you for the compliment

I’m not sure what you mean by glass getting tired. Sorry it’s early :)

I can say that my eyes don’t get that burning feeling after sitting behind it for a while.

Eye relief is great
Eye box is great
Clarity , tracking, resolution etc

I don’t need a spotter to see my shots on steel at 1000 on the TacA1’s ( or the missed splash in the background )

on the T1x I spot my own hits on the paper target at 200 yards on power 16 just fine.

The burning in the eye , that’s the feeling I always got behind the other scopes I’ve bought and sold off that just didn’t cut it. Sig, Leupold, Vortex. In fairness the scopes I’m talking about all had MSRP under $1000. ( these were always highly recommended on the forums as being GTG) but for both of us were a no go and just make the range time a hassle.
 

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Thank you for the compliment
I’m not sure what you mean by glass getting tired. Sorry it’s early :)
LOL, I was making a comment based on what Karubagold said about "running" glass. When I "run" I get tired, just wondered if your glass gets tired of being "ran". I can understand if you are "using" glass but if you are "running" it I'd like to make sure it's in good shape. :p
 
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both guns set up the same

T1x is in OEM stock. Front barrel block removed and channel opened up a bit more for clearance. Front has 1 lb of #9 shot w/epoxy rear has 3lbs in mine , 4 lbs in hers. ( mine is neutral balance , hers slight rear bias Victor Titan rest. Tikka T3 butt pad. Tikka vert pistol grip


Harris bipod w/ podloc

scope is Sightron S3 6-24x50

rings are Seekins .97

area419 30moa rail

trigger at 2lbs mine 2.5lbs hers

when I picked these guns up a few months ago I had every intention of going right into a chassis to mimic our TacA1’s. But now seeing how well they shoot like this and honestly they are perfectly comfortable to shoot we will be keeping them like this.

can’t say enough good things about our experience with Sightron scopes. Glass is superb and tracking is always spot on.

our sample of Sightrons are
1 x SVSS10-50x60 her TacA16.5cm
2 x S3 6-24x50 our T1x’s.22
1x S3 8-32-56 my TacA16.5cm

not an issue with any of them. We shoot out to 1100 yards on the 6.5’s and usually are at power 18ish Spot the hits, misses, easily. I’ve shot to a mile and have no issue whatsoever in spotting all my misses. :)Clarity is fantastic No issues with our eyes getting tired or anything. ( we both shoot with both eyes open

had to add the shot and epoxy to the front to stop the flex ( stiffen it up ) that caused by POI to shift each timeI got down and loaded the bipod.

We both agree that we are not shooting consistently and can tell when a shot didn’t go quite as planned. These little guns are really a hoot and we are both learning a lot about our shooting fundamentals and how we can improve. Should really help when we go long next time out with the 6.5’s.

we do hope to stretch these .22’s out also to see how they hold up at 300 and 400. I’m trying to set up a time to do some paper groups at 300 and 400 but that may take a bit to schedule.
Thanks for all the info! I think I'm going with the T1X for my first bolt gun. Any tips or advice on setting up the titan cheek rest? How many spacers are you using? And sorry about my choice on verbiage on the glass..... I should have said what kind of glass are you 'using' instead of 'running'...lol
 

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Thanks for all the info! I think I'm going with the T1X for my first bolt gun. Any tips or advice on setting up the titan cheek rest? How many spacers are you using? And sorry about my choice on verbiage on the glass..... I should have said what kind of glass are you 'using' instead of 'running'...lol
LOL, it's all good my friend. I have always gotten a kick out of people using the word "run" to describe anything they "use" on a firearm.

Fantastic choice on the Tikka T1x.
 
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Thanks for all the info! I think I'm going with the T1X for my first bolt gun. Any tips or advice on setting up the titan cheek rest? How many spacers are you using? And sorry about my choice on verbiage on the glass..... I should have said what kind of glass are you 'using' instead of 'running'...lol
the cheek rest comes with a set of direction that if I recall correctly says to set it 1 1/4 inch back. I think I’m a wee bit back from that.

I’m using the 2 spacers that come with it and think sometimes about adding another

there are some things to think about with setting the cheek rest.

scope height for 1. This will be for you to decide how high you want the scope to sit up. There are charts to help you figure out what will clear this scope of that but there is more to it than just that.

you’ll need to figure out what is comfortable for you while shooting.

my rings are .97 to center while sitting atop an area419 30moa rail. With my Sightron 6-24x50 and the sunshade and caps on there it clears the barrel by about 1/8 inch

before I bought the rings I set the scope on the rail using pennies as a lift aid and had my wife steady the scope as I got behind it checking my neck placement / strain in prone / bench/ standing and kneeling and sitting to make sure I’m not having to tweak my neck to get a good sight picture

a straining view thru the scope isn’t something I can do for very long.

also you will need to figure your shooting garnets in the equation as well

if you set your stuff all up perfect during the summer , you may find that once you put a jacket on you can’t get behind the scope properly.

there is quite a bit to setting up a scope, rings, cheek rest etc.

Just wanted to mention that stuff

love the Titan rest. Didn’t like the cheap drywall screws it came with. Looks out of place on the gun

I went to Home Depot and picked up some nice black torx deck screws to mount it up. Looks like it was part of the gun now.
 
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the cheek rest comes with a set of direction that if I recall correctly says to set it 1 1/4 inch back. I think I’m a wee bit back from that.

I’m using the 2 spacers that come with it and think sometimes about adding another

there are some things to think about with setting the cheek rest.

scope height for 1. This will be for you to decide how high you want the scope to sit up. There are charts to help you figure out what will clear this scope of that but there is more to it than just that.

you’ll need to figure out what is comfortable for you while shooting.

my rings are .97 to center while sitting atop an area419 30moa rail. With my Sightron 6-24x50 and the sunshade and caps on there it clears the barrel by about 1/8 inch

before I bought the rings I set the scope on the rail using pennies as a lift aid and had my wife steady the scope as I got behind it checking my neck placement / strain in prone / bench/ standing and kneeling and sitting to make sure I’m not having to tweak my neck to get a good sight picture

a straining view thru the scope isn’t something I can do for very long.

also you will need to figure your shooting garnets in the equation as well

if you set your stuff all up perfect during the summer , you may find that once you put a jacket on you can’t get behind the scope properly.

there is quite a bit to setting up a scope, rings, cheek rest etc.

Just wanted to mention that stuff

love the Titan rest. Didn’t like the cheap drywall screws it came with. Looks out of place on the gun

I went to Home Depot and picked up some nice black torx deck screws to mount it up. Looks like it was part of the gun now.
Thanks so much for the detailed response! I am going to keep this in my archive for when I set up the scope and cheek riser. Yeah obviously there is much more to just slapping the scope on there rifle...
 

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Very good shooting. I tried my T1X on a bipod and it was like shooting off a pogo stick, lol. I really like the reticle on your scope but don’t have a need for one lighted.
 

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Very good shooting. I tried my T1X on a bipod and it was like shooting off a pogo stick, lol. I really like the reticle on your scope but don’t have a need for one lighted.
Thank you. It took us a bit before we were comfortable shooting off of a bipod. It does take some getting used to

as for the reticle. It’s become my favorite. Nice and clean. Here is a view thru my Sightron S3 8-32x56 at 1000 yards at 24x. The phone didn’t pick up the clarity so the pic looks a bit washed out but was nice and crisp. The 6-24x50 on the T1x looks just as good.


as for lighted vs not lighted. I have had to use the illumination during the day while at the range. Shooting onto a shadowed dark target the reticle can be hard to pick up against the target. Turn the illuminated dot on and GTG
You can get it without illumination and save a little $$

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Today we got a chance to shoot at 300 with the CenterX. It was way windy today and we almost didn’t go but in the end we figured we would learn a bit and we did. These are the last of the shooting for the day. My wife ( M target ) shot 3 final groups for score. I shot 5 groups for score ( B ) target. In the end I was bested at our inaugural 300 yard windy shoot smack down. I’m doing the dishes tonight :).

I post these to help other see how things go as we learn the ropes on .22. We sure are having fun. My 1 group really had 1 come in low that messed up my average.

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Enjoying your reports on the dual T1X's...Keep them coming!!! Beautiful little range and scenery...what part of the country you shooting in?
 

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Enjoying your reports on the dual T1X's...Keep them coming!!! Beautiful little range and scenery...what part of the country you shooting in?
we are shooting in and around SW and central Ohio. These pics are from the Miami Pistol Rifle club outside of Cincinnati. We feel real fortunate to have good ranges here. We’ve had a great time at Thunder Valley and Rayners ( both within 2.5 hr drive ). as well as a few closer to home 0-300 yard ranges.

we learned a few things for sure yesterday.

my wife learned about multiple of 3 at 300 yards.

her target (M). Lower right group. This was shot using the middle bottom dot as POA. The dots are 12 inches apart. This was her first group on this board. She shot twice and in frustration asked me to spot with the spotting scope because she couldn’t see her hits on paper. I took a look and saw 2 hits way right. Asked her to shoot again. Now see 3 hits way right. Look at her scope. Yep ... 4 MOA right dialed in ( that’s 12 inches at 300 ). Told her to shoot 2 more but not to mess up as it would be a great group if she was consistent. She laughed and theM saw thru the scope where the group was. Then we talked about how adjustment had a x3 movement at the 300 yards we were shooting. We had talked about it but I guess it really didn’t register till then. Now she’s got it for sure.

I need to work on my prone shooting as I for sure wasn’t doing it all very cleanly. Also may need to figure out how to get my butt pad up about an inch higher. I may see about making an adapter to do this. I know a chassis would solve this issue but I’m trying to see if I can get this stock setup to work or not. ( just a strange personal challenge thing )
 
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Here is a very windy 200 yard trip from a few weeks ago. Normally we would not shoot at 200 with winds like this but we were both interested in what would happen so we decided to give it a go. This is my target using the same lot 184 centerX as we used at 300. All in all I honestly was expecting it to look much worse. I didn’t try timing the gusts or anything. We had a wind flag at 200 but it was more for comedy than anything as it was pointing in every direction and never in the same location as was felt at the bench. 1 cold bore group then right into the 6x5.

Our guns have not been to Lapua for lot testing yet as we don’t have 1000 thru each of them. Just got this lot by chance. Lot starts with 23555 so it’s on the lower end of velocity ( no chrono to check ) Overall pretty happy with centerX

I will order up some Eley soon to see how that compares.

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New guy question here, what is the multiple of 3 that you are speaking of?
sorry for not explaining that better. The scope adjustments are at 100. 1 click on my MOA scope is 1/4 inch of adjustment at 100 yards. So that same 1 click adjustment ( 1/4 ) moves the impact 3/4 inch on target at 300 yards.

so she had 4 MOA of adjustment dialed in on the scope.

at 100 yards that would move the impact 4 inches.

because we were shooting at 300 it moved the impact 12 inches. That’s the multiplier I’m talking about.
 

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sorry for not explaining that better. The scope adjustments are at 100. 1 click on my MOA scope is 1/4 inch of adjustment at 100 yards. So that same 1 click adjustment ( 1/4 ) moves the impact 3/4 inch on target at 300 yards.

so she had 4 MOA of adjustment dialed in on the scope.

at 100 yards that would move the impact 4 inches.

because we were shooting at 300 it moved the impact 12 inches. That’s the multiplier I’m talking about.

Nice looking setup, I almost thought you stole my rifle for a second there haha
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Here is a very windy 200 yard trip from a few weeks ago. Normally we would not shoot at 200 with winds like this but we were both interested in what would happen so we decided to give it a go. This is my target using the same lot 184 centerX as we used at 300. All in all I honestly was expecting it to look much worse. I didn’t try timing the gusts or anything. We had a wind flag at 200 but it was more for comedy than anything as it was pointing in every direction and never in the same location as was felt at the bench. 1 cold bore group then right into the 6x5.

Our guns have not been to Lapua for lot testing yet as we don’t have 1000 thru each of them. Just got this lot by chance. Lot starts with 23555 so it’s on the lower end of velocity ( no chrono to check ) Overall pretty happy with centerX

I will order up some Eley soon to see how that compares.

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Excellent write up and great shooting!
When you mentioned multiples of 3, in my mind I thought about the rimfire adage of "double the distance, triple the group size." (ie: 0.5" groups at 50 yards usually grows to 1.5" at 100 yards).
Appreciate the clarification about the MOA multiplier.

In your experience, do you find that certain ammo shoot better than others at varying distances? Perhaps due to different BCs, speed, etc?
Cheers,
 

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Excellent write up and great shooting!
When you mentioned multiples of 3, in my mind I thought about the rimfire adage of "double the distance, triple the group size." (ie: 0.5" groups at 50 yards usually grows to 1.5" at 100 yards).
Appreciate the clarification about the MOA multiplier.

In your experience, do you find that certain ammo shoot better than others at varying distances? Perhaps due to different BCs, speed, etc?
Cheers,
as for the ammo and performance. Our experience is limited to CCI SV, Wolf MT, SK Std+, SK RM, Lapua CenterX ( 2 sep lot #’s) and Lapua Xact. I will be picking up some Eley Tenex to try out soon. From that group of ammo we have found that we need to do our testing at 200 to really see the difference between them. What I mean by this is that for us, when the SK Std+, the SK RM, Wolf MT all shot very similar at just a pinch under an inch But when we stepped those 3 out to 200 is when we for sure could make judgments on how they were doing. For both of us the Wolf was consistent 4 inch groups at 200. So the Wolf MT is out for us. The SK Std+ and SK RM was interesting. My rifle shot the Std+ better than the RM. my wife had opposite results with RM performing better than STD+. I could cherry pick a group here or there where we could get under 2 inches at 200 but it was not the norm.

our consistent performer has been the CenterX. It was very obviously better at 100 than the other 3 mentioned above. It performed consistent in both of our rifles ( this is huge as I do not want to be stocking different lots for each of us).

the Xact shows good consistency but for us the price doesn’t justify what we saw for results. To be fair the Xact was purchased blind and has a lot # starting 24555. That indicates a slightly higher velocity and we do see it’s POI being about 1 inch higher at 200. I should have tried to find a lot of Xact with the same lot# starting as our centerX (23555).

that's a lot of writing to say that if it shoots great at 200 or 300 it will shoot great closer

if it’s shooting poorly at 50 or 100 it will shoot more poorly as the distance goes out.

I also believe in stepping the distance out as far as you can and shoot some 6x5’s on various days so you can see the performance pattern develop. We all get those nice unicorn groups but the bigger picture of performance comes from shooting quite a few on the same day if you can.

I didn’t mention the CCI SV as it was just bad at 200. No need to include it in our T1x shooting. I’ll keep that for the 15-22
 
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