Re: Tac Ops Kilo 51 has arrived !!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KIMO</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Carter Mayfield: The time, care, testing and attention given by Tac Ops to their rifles is undeniable. TacOps is among those at the pinnacle of the rifle building craft. Others are as well, imho. Whether one can definitively detect that based on the display of 3 shot groups at 100/110 yards is closer to my point. Again, in my opinion, you can not. This is an issue more of statistics than quality rifle building.
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I agree that a single 3 shot group won't tell you whether a rifle can shoot that every time... but it certainly gives you more information than if you did not test shoot the rifle at all. One person made a claim a while ago that he could make money buying Remington 700's at Wal-mart and shooting until he got a 1/4 MOA 3-shot group. Maybe. But he will be shooting a long long time.
I have had accuracy issues twice with my rifle. Once, there was a scope issue, and a second time, there was an issue with the torque on a front base screw... I tested the torque on it in the process of troubleshooting the scope and ended up loosening up the base screw in the process. Both times, Mike walked over all the potential issues with me over the phone at no charge. And he did it with confidence knowing that he knew there was not an issue with the rifle itself because he had shot it... that is powerful.
I should also note that when I was having "issues" with the rifle, it was still shooting well under MOA for 5 shot groups with the occasional flier that would open a group up to MOA. While the rifle was "broken," I shot probably 120 rounds through it trying to identify the issue, switching to different handloads and factory ammo. During that period, I had many sub-1/2 MOA groups, but no 1/4 MOA groups. My point is that statistically, yes, it is possible that I could have delivered a 1/4 MOA group, but that never happened until I fixed the issue. Then, my second group was 1/4 MOA. I am not a great shot. I am pretty good. about one-in-4 to one-in-5 of my 5-shot groups are 1/4 MOA with my Kilo-51.
The test targets serve an actual purpose in Quality Control. It is not just something to hang on the wall... it lets Mike know that the rifle meets his standard. And he has built rifles that do not meet his standard and has had to break them down and find the issue. And I will repeat, some gun builders don't perform this quality control step. Some do and charge for it. And some do. Mike does and will not let a rifle leave his shop unless it shoots to his standard.
What bugs me is that the same people who make the statistical argument that because 5 data points are better than 3, zero is better than 3. What kind of thinking is that? Many folks here build accurate rifles for sure. I just wonder how someone could guarantee the accuracy on something they haven't shot... and people complain that Tac Op's guarantee is worthless because it is for 1/4 MOA? Come on...
