Taliban snipers
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Re: Taliban snipers
I agree with kraigWY, if there is lead in the air there is hope.
I don't know how things go on over in the Sandbox. In that video I see them shoot a smoke round for a marker. I guess that is for air support.
In Sunny Southeast Asia circa 1969, we would have been adjusting the Redlegs and their tubes to bring things to our advantage. We would also be calling the LZ for organic 81mm fire. All this would be happening as the Cobras were working out. God Bless the Cobras that were soon on site, maybe that is what the smoke was for.
The video only shows the grunts getting it together and getting back into cover. I think I would have prefered to stay under or behind the cover that was out there and wait for the ARTY.
My question is, Do our people on the ground have as quick a response time for tube ARTY and AIR or ARA support as we did in VN? Do they operate under a ARTY and AIR fan where they are covered most or all of the time?
I fear that lessons learned the Hard Way in RVN were lost when the Old Lifers retired and are having to be re-learned by the New command with young E-3--E-6 blood spilling along the way.
Regards, FM E Co 5/7 Cav. 1st Cav. 69-70
I agree with kraigWY, if there is lead in the air there is hope.
I don't know how things go on over in the Sandbox. In that video I see them shoot a smoke round for a marker. I guess that is for air support.
In Sunny Southeast Asia circa 1969, we would have been adjusting the Redlegs and their tubes to bring things to our advantage. We would also be calling the LZ for organic 81mm fire. All this would be happening as the Cobras were working out. God Bless the Cobras that were soon on site, maybe that is what the smoke was for.
The video only shows the grunts getting it together and getting back into cover. I think I would have prefered to stay under or behind the cover that was out there and wait for the ARTY.
My question is, Do our people on the ground have as quick a response time for tube ARTY and AIR or ARA support as we did in VN? Do they operate under a ARTY and AIR fan where they are covered most or all of the time?
I fear that lessons learned the Hard Way in RVN were lost when the Old Lifers retired and are having to be re-learned by the New command with young E-3--E-6 blood spilling along the way.
Regards, FM E Co 5/7 Cav. 1st Cav. 69-70
Re: Taliban snipers
What I find most interesting is that for a country that has essentially been in conflict since 1978 and enjoys the predominate land features that it does, a culture of marksmanship was never established.
Good luck
What I find most interesting is that for a country that has essentially been in conflict since 1978 and enjoys the predominate land features that it does, a culture of marksmanship was never established.
Good luck
Re: Taliban snipers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I find most interesting is that for a country that has essentially been in conflict since 1978 </div></div>
try 1978 BC - they were fighting before gunpowder was invented and we're gonna go in and do what nobody in history has done, WIN and WIN the hearts and minds and hold Afghanistan!! We're gonna show up Alexander the Great - with no rules he still could not hold it but we can because we have liberals who will HELP these people irregardless of their ideologies!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foul Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I fear that lessons learned the Hard Way in RVN were lost when the Old Lifers retired and are having to be re-learned by the New command with young E-3--E-6 blood spilling along the way.
Regards, FM E Co 5/7 Cav. 1st Cav. 69-70 </div></div>
I believe you are correct - but it's not from retiring, it's because the media is there and war is ugly so we try not to make it ugly and still win.
That theory is still being proven, since 1967 or so...it hasn't worked but they (aka Politicians) think it will.
One Taliban sniper - one MOAB or 2k JDAM - SOLVE the problem and make them not want to do it again.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Mo_Zam_Beek</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What I find most interesting is that for a country that has essentially been in conflict since 1978 </div></div>
try 1978 BC - they were fighting before gunpowder was invented and we're gonna go in and do what nobody in history has done, WIN and WIN the hearts and minds and hold Afghanistan!! We're gonna show up Alexander the Great - with no rules he still could not hold it but we can because we have liberals who will HELP these people irregardless of their ideologies!!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foul Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I fear that lessons learned the Hard Way in RVN were lost when the Old Lifers retired and are having to be re-learned by the New command with young E-3--E-6 blood spilling along the way.
Regards, FM E Co 5/7 Cav. 1st Cav. 69-70 </div></div>
I believe you are correct - but it's not from retiring, it's because the media is there and war is ugly so we try not to make it ugly and still win.
That theory is still being proven, since 1967 or so...it hasn't worked but they (aka Politicians) think it will.
One Taliban sniper - one MOAB or 2k JDAM - SOLVE the problem and make them not want to do it again.
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Sometimes I think it would be best to turn that area to glass.
There are some, as women and children that would suffer.
At the Sand Creek massacre in Colorado, Col. Chivington said,"From nits come lice."
Maybe those words hold some wisdom. Regards, FM
Sometimes I think it would be best to turn that area to glass.
There are some, as women and children that would suffer.
At the Sand Creek massacre in Colorado, Col. Chivington said,"From nits come lice."
Maybe those words hold some wisdom. Regards, FM
Re: Taliban snipers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor Charley and his cousins from the North weren't known for their shooting ability, but even a blind squirrel gets an acorn every now and them. </div></div>
No matter how bad of a shooter they can be, I wouldn't want to be down range from them if I can avoid it. Liket kraigWY said, you don't want to be statistics just because some stupid Taliban got lucky.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: kraigWY</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Victor Charley and his cousins from the North weren't known for their shooting ability, but even a blind squirrel gets an acorn every now and them. </div></div>
No matter how bad of a shooter they can be, I wouldn't want to be down range from them if I can avoid it. Liket kraigWY said, you don't want to be statistics just because some stupid Taliban got lucky.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...the media is there and war is ugly so we try not to make it ugly and still win.</div></div>
I think Dalton Fury would agree
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...the media is there and war is ugly so we try not to make it ugly and still win.</div></div>
I think Dalton Fury would agree
Re: Taliban snipers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foul Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My question is, Do our people on the ground have as quick a response time for tube ARTY and AIR or ARA support as we did in VN? Do they operate under a ARTY and AIR fan where they are covered most or all of the time?
I fear that lessons learned the Hard Way in RVN were lost when the Old Lifers retired and are having to be re-learned by the New command with young E-3--E-6 blood spilling along the way.
Regards, FM E Co 5/7 Cav. 1st Cav. 69-70 </div></div>
well i know on almost every patrol in southern Helmand we had either two cobra's or a cobra, huey combo. And if we didn’t have them we had arty support... but we didn’t like calling arty cause we had some real morons shooting it for us and they almost hit us about as often as the enemy. but we did have a very effective 60's section that was always on hand. and fixed wing was in the battalion area almost all the time as well. any of these assets were available to whoever needed it most at the time.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Foul Mike</div><div class="ubbcode-body">My question is, Do our people on the ground have as quick a response time for tube ARTY and AIR or ARA support as we did in VN? Do they operate under a ARTY and AIR fan where they are covered most or all of the time?
I fear that lessons learned the Hard Way in RVN were lost when the Old Lifers retired and are having to be re-learned by the New command with young E-3--E-6 blood spilling along the way.
Regards, FM E Co 5/7 Cav. 1st Cav. 69-70 </div></div>
well i know on almost every patrol in southern Helmand we had either two cobra's or a cobra, huey combo. And if we didn’t have them we had arty support... but we didn’t like calling arty cause we had some real morons shooting it for us and they almost hit us about as often as the enemy. but we did have a very effective 60's section that was always on hand. and fixed wing was in the battalion area almost all the time as well. any of these assets were available to whoever needed it most at the time.
Re: Taliban snipers
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I believe you are correct - but it's not from retiring, it's because the media is there and war is ugly so we try not to make it ugly and still win.
That theory is still being proven, since 1967 or so...it hasn't worked but they (aka Politicians) think it will.
One Taliban sniper - one MOAB or 2k JDAM - SOLVE the problem and make them not want to do it again.
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i agree the entire time in Afghanistan, we had a sever case of micro management because all the higher ups were so scared that we were going to shoot a civilian. i have no shit been in contact when over the radio we were asked why we were shooting back. but for the most part we could all do what we needed to do on the ground at the squad level. Bypassing the COC for air and arty. and when we were asked why we are shooting back, hell i have no problem telling them that i have a truck full of uniformed suicide bombers if it keeps the higher up out of my hair when they don’t need to be there.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ArcticLight</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I believe you are correct - but it's not from retiring, it's because the media is there and war is ugly so we try not to make it ugly and still win.
That theory is still being proven, since 1967 or so...it hasn't worked but they (aka Politicians) think it will.
One Taliban sniper - one MOAB or 2k JDAM - SOLVE the problem and make them not want to do it again.
</div></div>
i agree the entire time in Afghanistan, we had a sever case of micro management because all the higher ups were so scared that we were going to shoot a civilian. i have no shit been in contact when over the radio we were asked why we were shooting back. but for the most part we could all do what we needed to do on the ground at the squad level. Bypassing the COC for air and arty. and when we were asked why we are shooting back, hell i have no problem telling them that i have a truck full of uniformed suicide bombers if it keeps the higher up out of my hair when they don’t need to be there.
Re: Taliban snipers
I am glad to have your input. I have a friend that just got back that was in ARTY. He said and feels that the Redlegs were not called upon enough.
That being said, I think you all have answered my questions.
Thanks, Regards FM
I am glad to have your input. I have a friend that just got back that was in ARTY. He said and feels that the Redlegs were not called upon enough.
That being said, I think you all have answered my questions.
Thanks, Regards FM
