Thinking about buying an ultimate scope. ZCO or tangent. Please I want people that have owned them. Wanting to get temor3 or h59. Around the 5-27ish. Thanks a bunch. Also where is the best place to get the best deal. Thanks a bunch.
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Thinking about buying an ultimate scope. ZCO or tangent. Please I want people that have owned them. Wanting to get temor3 or h59. Around the 5-27ish. Thanks a bunch. Also where is the best place to get the best deal. Thanks a bunch.
Have you looked at the reticle offerings from Tangent and ZCO?Thinking about buying an ultimate scope. ZCO or tangent. Please I want people that have owned them. Wanting to get temor3 or h59. Around the 5-27ish. Thanks a bunch. Also where is the best place to get the best deal. Thanks a bunch.
And tangent only has T3Well ZCO doesn't have h59 or tremor3 reticle. So looks like you want TT.
Well ZCO doesn't have h59 or tremor3 reticle. So looks like you want TT.
Oh yeah, forgot about the 840. Or will they put them on all the scopes?ZCO will have Tremor 3 and Tremor 5 reticles
Oh yeah, forgot about the 840. Or will they put them on all the scopes?
But the real question is why though? lolZCO will have Tremor 3 and Tremor 5 reticles
T3 and T5 in the 5-27. Just the T3 in the 4-20 right now. Just the T5 in the 8-40.Oh yeah, forgot about the 840. Or will they put them on all the scopes?
Nobody will really say anything on glass… both are superb. They’re only mentioning reticles because at this level of superb glass, pick the reticle you like most! Maybe some features might sway you too with the tool-less re-zero of the TT.Thinking about buying an ultimate scope. ZCO or tangent. Please I want people that have owned them. Wanting to get temor3 or h59. Around the 5-27ish. Thanks a bunch. Also where is the best place to get the best deal. Thanks a bunch.
But the real question is why though? lol
Thanks so much for the answer. I thought there for a second to wasn’t going to get an answer without h having to run the gauntlet. Haha. Thanks so much for the honesty.Nobody will really say anything on glass… both are superb. They’re only mentioning reticles because at this level of superb glass, pick the reticle you like most! Maybe some features might sway you too with the tool-less re-zero of the TT.
I’ve owned both… I only own TT now…. purely for the reticle (still waiting on that ZCO hunter model and reticle hint hint ) You can’t go wrong with either in glass. They’re the top dogs imo
Customers that are, were, or trained with .mil types. We've had so many requests for the Tremor line that it justified them in our optics. And we still have our highly popular MPCT line as well. Options are always a good thing, pick that which suits your style.But the real question is why though? lol
Finicky parallax? Both scopes have extremely forgiving parallax, especially compared to the other scopes in their class.
I haven’t noticed anything like that with mineYes, I wrote in about it a couple of weeks back. The ZCO is capable of amazing resolution and color/contrast, but the parallax has to be perfect. At longer range, scanning or ELR distances, TT could look from 600-3500 yards with barely a tweak of the wheel, and get 95-100% of its capability. ZCO needed to be microadjusted for almost any object you wanted to focus your eye on, in order to get that level of color/contrast/resolution. You could have 85-95% of it without touching the parallax, but then you're essentially equivalent to the IQ of the ~2K class of scopes.
Yes, I wrote in about it a couple of weeks back. The ZCO is capable of amazing resolution and color/contrast, but the parallax has to be perfect. At longer range, scanning or ELR distances, TT could look from 600-3500 yards with barely a tweak of the wheel, and get 95-100% of its capability. ZCO needed to be microadjusted for almost any object you wanted to focus your eye on, in order to get that level of color/contrast/resolution. You could have 85-95% of it without touching the parallax, but then you're essentially equivalent to the IQ of the ~2K class of scopes.
A real answer. Thanks so much.Nobody will really say anything on glass… both are superb. They’re only mentioning reticles because at this level of superb glass, pick the reticle you like most! Maybe some features might sway you too with the tool-less re-zero of the TT.
I’ve owned both… I only own TT now…. purely for the reticle (still waiting on that ZCO hunter model and reticle hint hint ) You can’t go wrong with either in glass. They’re the top dogs imo
Our experience and customer's experience have not matched yours, the TT is very forgiving but don't know anyone that has it set to that level of IQ and parallax free from that wide of distance. Were these on your rifles set up for you? Or looking through someone else's setup without the diopter and eye relief set to you?
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I've not ever seen a more forgiving parallax than my zco, and I've literally used them all. Not sure what else to say to this. TT is great too but I couldn't tell a difference in parallax. Everyone's eyes are different and my vision may not be as good as yours but this doesn't seem to be a common experience. I do remember you writing about it thoughI found their glass very different. TT brighter, less contrast, less color, better FOV, better DOF and no finicky parallax. I prefer the color of the ZCO, but given the comparative downsides, I'd go TT even if they had the same reticles. Also prefer the finer G2 and G3XR reticles vs ZCO rets, mostly due to thickness.
ZC420 will have the T3
ZC527 will have the T3 and T5
ZC840 will have the T5
Never have understood those reticles appeal...???? To each his own doe...So gross
I guess chalk up my weird parallax sensitivity as an outlier. What seems to be agreed is that ZCO has more contrast and better color / warmer, which is countered by TT's brightness and FOV advantage. Practically, for me, that meant 1. the ZCO was more impressive to look through at first glance - it conjurs a wow, and 2. the TT is better in low light and shadows.
Between that and the reticle differences, your personal preferences should dictate which one is a better fit.
**also, find a used TT in the mid-3's - if you are looking at new pricing, forget it and buy the ZCO. I forgot both and prefer the ~2K class.
Appreciate that Feniks, real world testing is where the rubber meets the road, especially in low light.While purely anecdotal, several of us put a couple Zco and TT next to one another.
One test we did was a timer. At dusk, when you could barely see a 6” circle @ 400yds. We time each other with all four optics. How long to find the target and get off a clean dry fire. We alternated many times. In case it was flawed data because it took a few turns to be able to know where the target was. Didn’t matter. ZCO was faster for everyone. Again, purely anecdotal. And the difference was fairly negligible.
ZCO had better resolution as far as seeing the “edges” of things like paint chips from impacts.
ZCO had better eyebox/bigger picture
TT had slightly better parallax forgiveness and mirage “cutting”
Again though, all the differences were razor thin. So much I always just recommend shooters to pick the reticle they like best. If they like reticles on both, then pick based on locking or tool less turrets and features like that that are user preference.
The above low light “test” also included a shooter who had never used either. Same result. Slightly faster with Zco.
I'm right there with you Ace, most of my decisions at this level are for the reticle - it's what you have to look at every time you look through the scope and if a reticle annoys me then no matter how much I like the glass or other aspects of the scope, it's always going to annoy me. Probably shouldn't bother me so much, but I have ADD and anything that distracts me... well, distracts me I think it is a good move for ZCO to incorporate Horus reticles, as much as I despise the dreaded fishing net reticle it is highly sought after in both competition and tactical communities (and for some weirdo's for hunting as well ). And I agree, while the MPCT2/3 series is great for competition it is not my favorite for crossover style and would love to see a version that has dots in the tree instead of solid horizontal lines (similar to the Gen3 XR). For a non-tree reticle, the MPCT1 is a favorite, I love the MSR2 reticle but think I like the MPCT1 better... of course, reticle choice is personal preferenceI’ve owned both… I only own TT now…. purely for the reticle (still waiting on that ZCO hunter model and reticle hint hint ) You can’t go wrong with either in glass. They’re the top dogs imo
I totally agree why they incorporated the tremors even though it's reticle aides.I'm right there with you Ace, most of my decisions at this level are for the reticle - it's what you have to look at every time you look through the scope and if a reticle annoys me then no matter how much I like the glass or other aspects of the scope, it's always going to annoy me. Probably shouldn't bother me so much, but I have ADD and anything that distracts me... well, distracts me I think it is a good move for ZCO to incorporate Horus reticles, as much as I despise the dreaded fishing net reticle it is highly sought after in both competition and tactical communities (and for some weirdo's for hunting as well ). And I agree, while the MPCT2/3 series is great for competition it is not my favorite for crossover style and would love to see a version that has dots in the tree instead of solid horizontal lines (similar to the Gen3 XR). For a non-tree reticle, the MPCT1 is a favorite, I love the MSR2 reticle but think I like the MPCT1 better... of course, reticle choice is personal preference
I've had two TT's. I've had a few different ZCO's to try out different reticles (currently on the MPCT 3X). I don't know that I would go back to a TT unless there was a smoking deal on one sub 3500 bucks.
TT has a cooler contrast in my eyes. No issues cutting mirage, though the parallax I thought was not as forgiving as my ZCO.
The ZCO has a warmer contrast which I prefer in my optics, including my sunglasses. It just makes things pop.
You won't go wrong with either.
Oh and @CSTactical is great to deal with! They got me hooked up with my newest ZCO.
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