The evolution of the 300 Blackout - great day at the range with Blackarc Munitions and Hornady

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    It is no secret I prefer the 6.5 Grendel to all other intermediate calibers in the AR-15 platform, but I lusted after the 300 Blackout since it was the 300 Whisper. I was a wee lad playing Rainbow Six and couldn't afford the freight JD Jones demanded, but I ran wild with a virtual Whisper.

    When AAC announced the 300 Blackout, I was an early adopter - I immediately bought a 9" AR and 16" Model 7. When the twist rate sped up, I sold the 9" and bought a 12.5" AAC MPW and began the stupidly expensive process of SBR'ing and stripping down and re-imagining the Model 7. It now has a 12.5" Krieger barrel with a 1:7.5" twist, sits in a Bell & Carlson Youth Medalist, has mag fed bottom metal and a Jewell trigger with a Leupold VX-R 3-9x40 on top. It was not a straight line to that end result - but, I've ended up with a laser beam of a kids rifle, and my sons love it.

    The 12.5" MPW was my go-to pig killer for years. I used Barnes 110 gr Tac XT copper black tip to decent effect, but Clint Smith told me on the front end - hits like the kitchen sink up close, has a rainbow trajectory and is lacking at the pot of gold end. Once I transitioned to the 6.5 Grendel, I never seriously picked up the 300 Blackout again.

    And den... recently I heard someone speaking of newer, hotter 300 BO ammo, specifically the Blackarc Munitions 110 Gr Tac XT. It was said to make 2300 out of a 10.x" barrel, which got my attention as that led me to think it would likely be 100-150 fps faster than my previous ammo, and I'm thrilled to say I was correct. Some research led me to also pick up the Hornady 110 gr V-Max. Today, I got them out to the range and I feel like my 300's have a new lease on life.

    Barrels are weird. My AAC has a 12.5", my Model 7 has a 12.5" - The AAC shot the Blackarc as fast as 2,370 FPS, but the Hornady wouldn't crack 2,340. The Model 7 wouldn't get past 2,320 with the Blackarc, but got as hot as 2,380 with the Hornady.

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    Lil Wayne told us it would all work out, and it did, because the Blackarc shot exceptionally well out of the MPW and the Hornady was a laser beam out of the Model 7. Using an ACOG with 4x and no eye box isn't exactly a precision circumstance - but - the attached photos were both shot at 100 yards, and it makes me think it would be a sub MOA situation with a 20X scope as opposed to an ACOG where I was just trying to hold steady on an geometric shape and keep the cross evenly distributed. The Model 7, with the benefit of a Krieger and 9X magnification was same holing at 100.

    TLDR - Blackarc and Hornady are making 300 Blackout 110 gr ammo that are knocking on 2,400 fps out of 12.5" barrels and shooting very straight in the process. I am going to leave the Grendel at the house next we chase pigs in the brush, and look forward to my youngest getting a white tail with the Model 7 this fall. This ammo is appreciably faster than what I've tried before by 100-150 FPS.

    In other wonderfully serendipitous news, the velocity Blackarc delivers means it is as good as real world gets when it comes to matching up with a 300 BO ACOG. I shot the MPW back to 400 yards today - velocity is about 1,370 fps at 400 yards, expansion threshold is 1,350 - elevation was dead on at 200, 300, and 400 and group sizes range from excellent to sufficient.
     

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    I just sold my 300 BO and built another 300 HAMR.

    The BO is series of trajectory compromises I’m unwilling to make, and the HAMR with 130 HOT COR bullets at 2450 FPS is a 30/30 in an AR platform. That’s Bill Wilson’s old favorite. Now that he owns Lehigh, he shoots their bullets.

    I don’t have his smack, so I shoot the runner up. He says no pig, deer, elk, or plains game will take a good hit and not die. And based on his record of hunt’s and recent hunts in Africa with the HAMR, I believe him.
     
    I’ve gotten re-excited about the 300blk, too. The NAS3 cases really let it come of age.

    I chrono’d some NAS3-cased 110gr Blacktip loads recently. My 16” AR gave me 2401 with the BlackArc, and 2505 with the Phantom Defense. Factory Barnes barss cased loads give me 2379.

    In my 9” AR, I got 2259 with the Phantom Defense 110 Blacktip loads, compared to 2105 from the Barnes factory loads.

    I’ve got some Phantom Defense 85gr Maker loads coming and am stoked to see how they do. They advertise 2750 from a 16” pipe and 2250 from a 5.5” pipe.
     
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    I just sold my 300 BO and built another 300 HAMR.

    The BO is series of trajectory compromises I’m unwilling to make, and the HAMR with 130 HOT COR bullets at 2450 FPS is a 30/30 in an AR platform. That’s Bill Wilson’s old favorite. Now that he owns Lehigh, he shoots their bullets.

    I don’t have his smack, so I shoot the runner up. He says no pig, deer, elk, or plains game will take a good hit and not die. And based on his record of hunt’s and recent hunts in Africa with the HAMR, I believe him.
    I get it, but I'm invested in the 300 - and I got married to the 6.5 Grendel. I don't think the 300 BLK is going to change any of that - but - it is nice to see it reach a point where it can fulfill a niche out to 150-200 yards as well as anything else +/-

    Phantom is new to me, that 85 gr copper looks worth trying, if it flies straight out to 200 I'd guess that might be yet again another significant improvement.
     
    I have been loading 300blk with Nas3 casings and have gained 100-125fps across.the board on my loads. Right now only in bolt action and Henry Supreme. I need to alter the buffer set up on my semi before using them in it.
     
    Maztech makes the 300blk an effective option
    Link? My Google Fu keeps returning Magtech and Maxxtech.

    RE: buffer, my AAC is kicking them out @ 3:00-4:00 with a H2, carbine tube, original old spring and Ranger 7 mounted.
     
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    Link? My Google Fu keeps returning Magtech and Maxxtech.

    RE: buffer, my AAC is kicking them out @ 3:00-4:00 with a H2, carbine tube, original old spring and Ranger 7 mounted.
     
    I have never owned a 6.8, have smart friends that do, I think if I was starting from scratch I'd give it a roll but it isn't better enough than a Grendel close up to offset the distance advantage to the point that I'd branch out meow.

    I am intrigued to see how the Blackarc performs - the Phantom 85 also sounds very interesting.
     
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    I was so happy with my results earlier this week, I went back to do a little more shooting.

    The Blackarc Munitions 110 Gr Barnes black tip makes about 2,170 FPS out of an 8" Craddock Precision stainless barrel. The same gun pushes a SIG 120 gr copper round that is a specific short barrel load, so this is picking up about 75 FPS. I've found the SIG load to be mediocre in accuracy, but good terminal performance on pigs. As a practical matter, the 8" is a 100 yard gun at the most as set up anyway. With that said, I have some of the Phantom 85 gr headed this way to see how fast the 8" pushes that - but I think the 12.5" and Blackarc are destined to go kill a bunch of pigs.

    The AAC / ACOG + SRO / Blackarc continues to to make me very, very happy regarding accuracy and reticle calibration. The large circle with the "2" is with the SRO, the "4" is with the ACOG, both at 100 off a tripod - then I went to 300 as the other day I hit 200 and 400 with great results - also dead on at 300 as the drops would indicate. At that distance, the diamond is about covering the torso, but it makes clear the reason the ACOG revolutionized combat effectiveness.
     

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    Had no knowledge of NAS3 cases until recently. Ordered a thousand in 9mm for a 147 grain supersonic load for a PCC. Anyway...will definitely have to try it for 300 BO supers, just wish I could reload them. I mostly use the Barnes 110 grain solids for supers these days and hitting 2400 out of a 9" barrel would be bad ass.

    I've had best results with H110 (2200 fps range) but also have Enforcer, TAC and Lil'Gun, the latter being too temp sensitive. Haven't tried TAC and H110 seems to get better "book" velocity than Enforcer. Any other recommendations? I have a few Vihtavouri powders on hand as well but they never seem to be speed kings.
     
    We live at a moment in time where serious performance from really short barrels has been crossing over a practical threshold. It has been incremental, but something we can realize is relatively-new in compactness and power, negating most of our needs for longer, heavier, bulkier rifles for most things we used them for.

    5.56x45mm NAS is doing 16”+ speeds from 10.5”-11.5” carbines.
    300 Whisper is exceeding 16.3” AK muzzle velocity from 12.5” barrels.
    6.5 Grendel is exceeding 14.5” 5.56 from 8.5” barrels before we even mess with the case technology on it.

    I’ve been on a short barrel binge ever since I built the 12” Grendels in 2017, and have been able to make pretty consistent high probability hits with it even out to over 900yds on 2 MOA targets. 400yds is boring with it on plates, and it hits hard.

    The small case capacity .30 cals hit really hard and loud on steel as well, giving hunters that satisfying “slap” sound.
     
    Interesting indeed… who’dathunk even just a couple years ago that we’d be migrating back to steel cases for performance increases, and to reload!

    Just ordered 250 300BLK cases from Shell Shock; will load ‘em up with my favorite 110gr Barnes black tips and see how they shoot.

    Will be very interesting to see how far above my current max load of 21 grains of H110 I can go before I see bulging primers or maybe even neck cracks….or maybe I won’t see anything at all. Even with their claimed increase in case capacity, the 300 BLK case is pretty much maxed out at ~21 grains with the powder up against the flat base of those 110gr Barnes and Hornady VMax bullets.

    Will see how much more fits…

    I honestly don’t see a use case for these cases shooting subs though. I’m running the 190 SubX bullets a lot now, but tend to stay just under 10gr of H110 or Accurate 1680 for my sub loads. I did just pick up some of that CFE BLK powder recently…will see how that works too.
     
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    Patiently waiting for Shooters World SBR Socom to come back in stock anywhere. Excellent for heavy Supers in 300BO.
    NAS3 steel case 155TMK @2.260 coal 20.1gr Socom = 1902 SD 7.2 for 10 shots 8" barrel.

    Also if you haven't tried Vit N110 for lighter Supers (100-110gr), give it a shot. I've had very good results with (18.4gr in NAS3 case only!) + 110 Vmax = 2144 SD 6.7 over a 10 shot string from 8" barrel.
     
    I got some of the Phantom Defense 85gr (Maker bullet) loads and made it to the range today. I also revisited the Phantom Defense and BlackArc 110gr Barnes Blacktip loads.

    9” Barrel
    85gr Phantom Defense- 2399fps
    110gr Phantom Defense- 2245fps
    110gr Barnes factory- 2105fps (from previous range session)


    16” Barrel
    85gr Phantom Defense- 2738fps
    110gr Phantom Defense- 2506fps
    110gr BlackArc- 2432fps
    110gr Barnes factory- 2379fps (from previous range session)


    I didn’t shoot the 9” for groups, just had a red dot on it. The 16” gun has a Trijicon Credo 1-10x, Magpul bipod, and is handicapped with me as the trigger puller!

    The 16” Wilson barrel liked the 110gr Barnes bullets best. Five shot groups at 100yds were 1.1” to 1.25” with both Phantom Defense and BlackArc. The 85gr Maker bullet load did 1.55”-1.85”.


    I’ll likely stick with the tried and proven 110 blacktip for my deer and pig hunting. I have killed several pigs and lots of deer with it, and my rifle likes the bullet. But the 85gr Maker bullet should be a real winner also for both hunting and defense use.
     
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    I got some of the Phantom Defense 85gr (Maker bullet) loads and made it to the range today. I also revisited the Phantom Defense and BlackArc 110gr Barnes Blacktip loads.

    9” Barrel
    85gr Phantom Defense- 2399fps
    110gr Phantom Defense- 2245fps
    110gr Barnes factory- 2105fps (from previous range session)


    16” Barrel
    85gr Phantom Defense- 2738fps
    110gr Phantom Defense- 2506fps
    110gr BlackArc- 2432fps
    110gr Barnes factory- 2379fps (from previous range session)


    I didn’t shoot the 9” for groups, just had a red dot on it. The 16” gun has a Trijicon Credo 1-10x, Magpul bipod, and is handicapped with me as the trigger puller!

    The 16” Wilson barrel liked the 110gr Barnes bullets best. Five shot groups at 100yds were 1.1” to 1.25” with both Phantom Defense and BlackArc. The 85gr Maker bullet load did 1.55”-1.85”.


    I’ll likely stick with the tried and proven 110 blacktip for my deer and pig hunting. I have killed several pigs and lots of deer with it, and my rifle likes the bullet. But the 85gr Maker bullet should be a real winner also for both hunting and defense use.

    Have you pulled bullets from any of the cartridges with the 85gr projectiles by any chance? Would be interesting to see what type and how much (weight in grains) powder they use.
     
    I’ve not pulled any. I’m strictly a factory ammo guy so I don’t have a scale and wouldn’t know what I was looking at as far as types of powder.

    Of course, I’ll be joining you in the ‘The Man (Retired)’ category real soon, so maybe I should take up reloading…..

    Cheers,
    SBR
     
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    I’ve not pulled any. I’m strictly a factory ammo guy so I don’t have a scale and wouldn’t know what I was looking at as far as types of powder.

    Of course, I’ll be joining you in the ‘The Man (Retired)’ category real soon, so maybe I should take up reloading…..

    Cheers,
    SBR

    It’s very therapeutic…

    Though I’ve been known to get a bit carried away at times when doing various 300BLK loads testing different bullets, powder, etc. LoL

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    It’ll be interesting to see what you get for velocities compared to factory loads that have to be developed more conservatively.


    I think these NAS loads are really letting 300blk mature into its potential.
     
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    It’ll be interesting to see what you get for velocities compared to factory loads that have to be developed more conservatively.


    I think these NAS loads are really letting 300blk mature into its potential.
    Agree.

    I bought into the 300BLK hype 10+ years ago when it was the New Big Thing, and actually love shooting it; extremely versatile round as long as you don’t try to make it something it isn’t, or wasn’t designed to be.

    After seeing only mediocre performance on larger hogs out past 75 yards or so, even with supers, I migrated back to 6.8 for most of my pig and deer hunting. I still use 300BLK when I know I’ll be shooting over bait inside 100 yards, but pretty much only “hunt” with supers. I don’t really consider shooting from a blind over bait hunting, but…yeah…. Gotta be done though, pigs ain’t gonna kill themselves and they ruin our land, and make it dangerous for the cattle.

    I still have all our HD guns (uppers) loaded with 300BLK subs through cans though; all on one of our several SBR’d (or pistol) lowers. This is exactly what the 300BLK round was designed for…PCC sized platform with much better terminal effects at “across the room” engagement distances.

    I know there are better rounds out there, and if I were starting from scratch today would probably go 300 HAMR, or maybe just stick with an intermediate caliber like 6.5G or my beloved 6.8 from a 12” or so barrel, but I’m far too heavily invested in 300 BLK to stop now! LoL.

    It helps that my entire shooting group has at least one 300BLK upper, but I literally have 5K+ cases that have been cycled through 3-5 reloads just out in the garage right now, with that many (or probably more) out at the ranch sitting in buckets waiting their turn to be cleaned and processed. I usually scrap ‘em after 6 or so reloads though; even with consistent annealing the necks start to get pretty thin after a while.

    Looking forward to seeing how these steel cases perform.
     
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