The Mexican Mormon War (Drug Cartels vs. Mormons Full Length)

[TheGerman]

Lol I dunno about the title warlord but my boogaloo boyz and I will have Davis county on lock yo when it goes down. Gotta protect the supply of funeral potatoes, Hawaiian rolls, and fruit jello salad through the northern point of the mountain corridor.

I am still planning on coming down to minister to you @TheGerman next time I come down to see an old platoon buddy in St. George. I am counting on an "almost jeep rollover story" and a bunch of ptsd from you screaming at me for being a muppet while I try to shoot straight.

@DuneBoer I get it. I hope you come out and shoot with me and German one day as you sound like a great guy. Invite is open to anyone else passing through Utah as well. All groups have their bad apples that give others a bad name...I was one. I left hating the church and God/religion in my youth. I said and did things I am not proud of. I can say that through a series of events later in life that I was humbled and found God and He helped me overcome being an alcoholic and helped overcome other things I never thought possible. Most people that knew me then and now would argue that I am a better person today especially in my treatment towards others with God in my life than without. I think that's what life is really all about right? I try to practice what I believe everyday through my actions and my words but fall short often sometimes embarrassingly so. I am not making excuses for what happened at MT meadows. I can agree with you that it was a horrendous event and those men will be held accountable for their actions. I def don't have all the answers but I try to take people one at a time as they come and not as group with a little faith. Sermon over.

Now the video... I haven't had a chance to watch the whole thing yet, but just from the clips I have skimmed over these are def FLDS which are a different religion all together but props for them standing up to one of the most savage and heinous cultures on the earth right now. IMO the only way to win the fight against the cartels/ the Taliban et all( and equally determined enemies coming to a neighborhood near you) is to be equally as decisive...the black flag...no quarter. We do not need to sink to their level of depravity but they should know that unquestionably that there will be no long jail sentence if convicted...straight pass go to the gallows or firing squad.

Thoughts are mutual on Romney.

You better hurry up. I have 'UTV ended up on its side' story now too.

And as far as fighting/war, the only way to win is Total War. Problem is no one lets us fight one; the shit I saw when the gloves were off and no one even knew what was going on got 100x the shit down in less time than a 'presense patrol' would take.

 

[7.62willdo]

I was born into a Mormon family. I don't claim their religion. Lived in Utah all my life.
@Bender and @waveslayer have it pegged.
We (as a fellow Utah native) have guns a whole fuck ton of them along with ammo.
Shit ton of food.
But one thing they have is a long as memory. They have been persecuted forever. So far as to have a USA governor put a bounty on their heads (was not repealed until 1972, almost 130 years).
They have basically been preparing for war since that day. They trust the federal government 0%.
They teach their history all the time.
Wouldn't take much to turn that against another aggressor.

they weren’t innocent, google mountain meadows massacre

 

[j-huskey]

No one is innocent....

 

[ESBVader]

They weren’t innocent, google mountain meadows massacre

So is the logic that since some breakoff nut jobs acting on their own did something incredibly stupid over 160 years ago, then we say that anyone associated with a religious group is guilty by association and deserves what happens to them?

 

[2ndamendfan]

they weren’t innocent, google mountain meadows massacre

I don't need to google it.
It is easy to play armchair quarter back a 130 years later.

You should google "catholic priests" and "child porn" (in the same sentence).

As I stated I am not a member, but I understand them to a degree someone NOT living in Utah for the last 50 years probably wouldn't.

 

[Maggot]

If an all out war between the Mormons and drug cartels actually did kick off, I wouldn't be too quick to bet against the Mormons. Cartels are in it for the money. Mormons would be in it for righteousness, and believing they have God on their side.

It would of course take the Mormons some time to get up to speed with the level of violence the cartels are willing to use, but once a group of religious zealots got into the fight I would bet on the Mormons. The Mormon church has a world wide presence and their ability to do geanology and historical research would make it easy for them to switch to the ability to gather intelligence on a world wide level that would surprise the cartels. The ability of Mormon's to look more "main stream" and blend in with the public would also give them an advantage. As for raising money, the Mormon churches and temples build all over the world shows they are not slouches when it comes to gathering funds for projects.

Given their ability to gather money, intelligence, and the sheer number of people willing to undertake a righteous religious cause would eventually offset the need to come to grips with the kind of violence the cartels are willing to use. IE: "They killed bishop XXX, YYY, and ZZZ. That cannot be allowed to go unchallenged. God put those bishops in place to do their work, who will now stand up and take over for bishops XXX, YYY, and ZZZ?" Then half the men in attendance push and shove to get to the front of that line.

I wouldnt cout on that. My friends are from Nuevo Casas Grandes, just a stone's throw from Colonia Juarez, and Ive been there many times. The Mormons are of German/northern European stock, lots of tall blond blue eyed people. They stick out in Mexico like Americans in Afghanistan. The Cartel guys on the other hand are typical Mexicans and can ooze back into the woodwork just like the Taliban. Plus they operate over a much larger area whereas the LDS are mostly in a fairly small AO. Then theres the fact tha even if you kill off all on the local cartel, one of their competitors would be there to fill in the vacuum in minutes. However it goes its going to be bloody and ugly and lots of innocent people will die. Fuck the Cartels.

 

[7.62willdo]

Sorry did I ruffle some Morman feathers?

 

[deersniper]

they weren’t innocent, google mountain meadows massacre

You could expound

 

[Maggot]

Dated, but interesting.........right up until they start liplocking on mittens. Otherwise, interesting vid.

Excellent video, brought back some memories.

 

[DuneBoer]

I wonder if the LDS church will unleash the Danites. Trouble is they are all busy in the 19th SFG.

 

[Unknown]

I wouldnt cout on that. My friends are from Nuevo Casas Grandes, just a stone's throw from Colonia Juarez, and Ive been there many times. The Mormons are of German/northern European stock, lots of tall blond blue eyed people. They stick out in Mexico like Americans in Afghanistan. The Cartel guys on the other hand are typical Mexicans and can ooze back into the woodwork just like the Taliban. Plus they operate over a much larger area whereas the LDS are mostly in a fairly small AO. Then theres the fact tha even if you kill off all on the local cartel, one of their competitors would be there to fill in the vacuum in minutes. However it goes its going to be bloody and ugly and lots of innocent people will die. Fuck the Cartels.

I agree, the Mormons would stand out in Mexico, just as the Mexicans would stand out in the Salt Lake temple. You are also correct about Mexican's ability to blend back in with the locals, someone filling a vacated position, and certainly the money that the cartels have to operate with. Another factor would be where any potential conflict would take place. Both sides have lots of money, and probably are equal in their fervor, or motivation to fight. I don't know whether we could count on the Mormons to remain more "civilized" and less brutal than the cartels for very long if true open warfare broke out.

Throughout history, religious zealots have proven to be extraordinarily "motivated" when they feel persecuted, and respond with a "God is on our side" kind of fervor that could very well equal or surpass that of the cartels.

I sure hope it doesn't come down to an open warfare between the cartels and Mormons, or anyone else for that matter. I think Sun Tzu was right when he said "No one benefits from a protracted war."..the same applies to the cartels and whoever might oppose them in open warfare.

Other than the mormons, other groups would be the US government, or a coalition between the US and Mexican government to get rid of the cartels would be a real mess. I don't think any of the "protect our border" militia groups in the USA have either the money, manpower, or stockpile of weapons to really oppose the cartels.

I just hope it doesn't devolve into open warfare.

 

[ESBVader]

My understanding is that the people recently targeted in Mexico (and portrayed in the videos that have been posted in this thread) aren't members of or associated with The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. While they carry the moniker of "Mormon", this particular group broke off from the original church well over 100 years ago in order to continue practicing Polygamy. Feels like an important distinction.

 

[Maggot]

I agree, the Mormons would stand out in Mexico, just as the Mexicans would stand out in the Salt Lake temple. You are also correct about Mexican's ability to blend back in with the locals, someone filling a vacated position, and certainly the money that the cartels have to operate with. Another factor would be where any potential conflict would take place. Both sides have lots of money, and probably are equal in their fervor, or motivation to fight. I don't know whether we could count on the Mormons to remain more "civilized" and less brutal than the cartels for very long if true open warfare broke out.

Throughout history, religious zealots have proven to be extraordinarily "motivated" when they feel persecuted, and respond with a "God is on our side" kind of fervor that could very well equal or surpass that of the cartels.

I sure hope it doesn't come down to an open warfare between the cartels and Mormons, or anyone else for that matter. I think Sun Tzu was right when he said "No one benefits from a protracted war."..the same applies to the cartels and whoever might oppose them in open warfare.

Other than the mormons, other groups would be the US government, or a coalition between the US and Mexican government to get rid of the cartels would be a real mess. I don't think any of the "protect our border" militia groups in the USA have either the money, manpower, or stockpile of weapons to really oppose the cartels.

I just hope it doesn't devolve into open warfare.

Looks like some of them at least, are packing it in. Hard to win a war against an endless tide of garbage.

Offshoot Mormon community hit in deadly attack leaves Mexico - ABC ...

https://abcnews.go.com › wireStory › mormon-families-fleeing-mexico-vi...

 

[Unknown]

Unfortunately, the cartels exist primarily to serve the appetite for drugs in the USA. Sure, the cartels distribute drugs to other countries, but the USA is their biggest consumer. So, to an extent, the drug users in the USA are the people that are responsible for giving the cartels money and thereby their power.

 

[Maggot]

Unfortunately, the cartels exist primarily to serve the appetite for drugs in the USA. Sure, the cartels distribute drugs to other countries, but the USA is their biggest consumer. So, to an extent, the drug users in the USA are the people that are responsible for giving the cartels money and thereby their power.

Largely true but in recent years they have diversified.

Mexico's drug cartels, now hooked on fuel, cripple nation's refineries

https://www.reuters.com › investigates › special-report › mexico-violence-oil

 

[jrhtx]

If the Morman’s have any chance to win they have to start paying more in bribe money to the local police, military, and politicians. That can’t happen overnight.
Hell, even the banks are corrupt. Read a few months ago retired US citizens accounts were emptied by unknown bank officials. Everyone down there is on the take and will follow directions given by the money. BIG MONEY!
If the money says assault the Morman complex, well the results won’t be pretty.

Breaking news: Families leaving Mexico to US. FOX news said 100+ have left.

 

[FS1]

Plata o Pomo. No, is not an option.

You either play or die. It is easier to be weak and safe, than strong and maybe dead. It’s all about what they are willing to die for.

 

[Bender]

The “Mormon” community in Mexico has nothing to do with the church based out of Salt Lake City. They wanted to practice the forsaken practice of polygamy and that’s why they chose to leave the USA. They are not Mormon in my book, they are a pedophile sex cult and suffered the consequences of their actions.

 

[W54/XM-388]

The “Mormon” community in Mexico has nothing to do with the church based out of Salt Lake City. They wanted to practice the forsaken practice of polygamy and that’s why they chose to leave the USA. They are not Mormon in my book,

When the times once again get "extraordinary" Polygamy will once again become allowed for the mainstream LDS, it was really only given up because of outside pressure.

 

[Bender]

When the times once again get "extraordinary" Polygamy will once again become allowed for the mainstream LDS, it was really only given up because of outside pressure.

Where have you heard this? I’ve never heard this. This is false.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Where have you heard this? I’ve never heard this. This is false.

There is the official history and then there is the actual history that you will get kicked out of the club for saying, studying or writing about.

 

[Bender]

There is the official history and then there is the actual history that you will get kicked out of the club for saying, studying or writing about.

Ummm. Ok.

 

[Maggot]

Plata o Pomo. No, is not an option.

You either play or die. It is easier to be weak and safe, than strong and maybe dead. It’s all about what they are willing to die for.

The Jews at Masada might disagree with you.

 

[Unknown]

Largely true but in recent years they have diversified.

Mexico's drug cartels, now hooked on fuel, cripple nation's refineries
https://www.reuters.com › investigates › special-report › mexico-violence-oil

Like the famous bank robber said "Ya gotta go where the money is."