These are our allies?

[Maggot]

Saudi Arabia executes woman convicted of 'sorcery'


RIYADH, Saudi Arabia (AP) — Saudi authorities have executed a woman convicted of practicing magic and sorcery.

The Saudi Interior Ministry says in a statement the execution took place Monday, but gave no details on the woman's crime.

The London-based al-Hayat daily, however, quoted Abdullah al-Mohsen, chief of the religious police who arrested the woman, as saying she had tricked people into thinking she could treat illnesses, charging them $800 per session.

The paper said a female investigator followed up, and the woman was arrested in April, 2009, and later convicted in a Saudi court.

It did not give the woman's name, but said she was in her 60s.

The execution brings the total to 76 this year in Saudi Arabia, according to an Associated Press count. At least three have been women.

 

[ssgp2]

Re: These are our allies?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Sounds great, but it's far from perfect......

 

[desertrat1979]

Re: These are our allies?

I really don't see the issue. Thats how they deal with it in their country. Here, we would just call this person a con artist, spend tax money in courts, and give the person probation to do it again. Sorcery? Might be a bit much. While I do disagree with the laws and practices that exist in other countries, the whole, "thats them, not us" mentality works for me. Being our allies, as long as they do their part as one, I could care less how their laws go. They have zero effect on me and the citizens of this country. If you look at history, this country has its own past when it comes to executing people for practicing witchcraft.

 

[KillShot]

Re: These are our allies?

^^^^ What he said.

 

[goober]

Re: These are our allies?

people being suppressed should never ever be supported ,their goverment,royals,religeous police,,Imanes and all men in the country should slaughterd like cockroaches

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: These are our allies?

I don't see in this case the argument for suppression. Draconian laws for those who break it, sure, but not suppression. However, Saudi is a fucked up state and it IS a suppressive one. So when we think of them as allies and say what goes on there doesn't bother us, I'm not so sure that's an argument worthy of a country that loves and promotes liberty and freedoms.

"Righteousness exalts a nation..."

As far as being allies go, I'd say they're no better or worse than any other 'allie' in the region, and that's really not a nice thing to say about them.

 

[pdogsbeware]

Re: These are our allies?

You can't hold THEIR culture to OUR moral values. Think of it from they're side. To them, WE are the weird ones with silly laws. There is no universal right or wrong, whats right and wrong is what a society says it is. They society just happens to think like this.

 

[goober]

Re: These are our allies?

countries like Suaudi make you remember how special freedom really is and how important those that have fallen to give us countries where freedom means we are not beheaded or hung for being Gay ,a witch , speaking out against a government ,being raped and put in jail for it as though it was your fault .Remember to vote always and stand your ground or the rot will set in .Lets face it if they the middle east didnt have oil we would leave them to stew in that foul belief they choose to follow

 

[EventHorizon]

Re: These are our allies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't hold THEIR culture to OUR moral values. Think of it from they're side. To them, WE are the weird ones with silly laws. There is no universal right or wrong, whats right and wrong is what a society says it is. They society just happens to think like this. </div></div>

I have some sympathy for this most of this but I believe in unalienable rights. Rights that cultural (ab)norms are not able to infringe upon.

 

[goober]

Re: These are our allies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't hold THEIR culture to OUR moral values. Think of it from they're side. To them, WE are the weird ones with silly laws. There is no universal right or wrong, whats right and wrong is what a society says it is. They society just happens to think like this. </div></div>you are quite wrong ! I think there are universal morals and values that all people have but some choose to turn away from them to so as to cause fear and to render others submissive .Who thinks it normal to cut ones head of with a knife ? You think the average muslim does ? I think what a woman thinks compared to a man in these societys would be very different also .We are talking about savage occult actions masked as a religon.The Jesuits did the same shit in the years of the inquasition -for god of course

 

[match308]

Re: These are our allies?

Who are we to tell anyone how to govern? In Saudi I walked down any street I want to without concern(not just because I was carrying an m-16)
In contrast, there are streets within 15 minutes from my home that I wouldnt dream of walking on after dark.

 

[VJJPunisher]

Re: These are our allies?

thats what a ho gets for bein a SAND-WITCH



....right that down

 

[Maggot]

Re: These are our allies?

The New Left.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I really don't see the issue. Thats how they deal with it in their country. Here, we would just call this person a con artist, spend tax money in courts, and give the person probation to do it again. Sorcery? Might be a bit much. While I do disagree with the laws and practices that exist in other countries, the whole, "thats them, not us" mentality works for me. Being our allies, as long as they do their part as one, I could care less how their laws go. They have zero effect on me and the citizens of this country. If you look at history, this country has its own past when it comes to executing people for practicing witchcraft. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KillShot</div><div class="ubbcode-body">^^^^ What he said. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't hold THEIR culture to OUR moral values. Think of it from they're side. To them, WE are the weird ones with silly laws. There is no universal right or wrong, whats right and wrong is what a society says it is. They society just happens to think like this. </div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: TBannister</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Who are we to tell anyone how to govern? In Saudi I walked down any street I want to without concern(not just because I was carrying an m-16)
In contrast, there are streets within 15 minutes from my home that I wouldnt dream of walking on after dark.</div></div>

 

[pdogsbeware]

Re: These are our allies?

This is going to digress into a philosophical debate here quickly haha Maybe we should move it to another thread?
BTW, there is no such thing as universal morals. And humans have no any unalieanable rights. You are not born with them. They are constructs of man's imagination.
Bold claims, yes. If you wish to discuss this with me, start another thread please, let's not hijack this guy's thread.

 

[Maggot]

Re: These are our allies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is going to digress into a philosophical debate here quickly haha Maybe we should move it to another thread?
BTW, there is no such thing as universal morals. And humans have no any unalieanable rights. You are not born with them. They are constructs of man's imagination.
Bold claims, yes. If you wish to discuss this with me, start another thread please, let's not hijack this guy's thread. </div></div>

I started the thread.

So by your view the words should read "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all (American) men are created equal.".

 

[EddieNFL]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Quote:</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So by your view the words should read "We hold these truths to be self evident, that all (American) men are created equal."</div></div>

Maybe their Creator endowed different rights...or none at all. Based on their society's laws, I would go with the latter.

 

[goober]

Re: These are our allies?

For me this whole thread really comes down to something we are not allowed to discuss on this site .Pity help those that live in these places especially if your anything but out of the occult mold they would have you be

 

[bgbill]

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: pdogsbeware</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can't hold THEIR culture to OUR moral values. Think of it from they're side. To them, WE are the weird ones with silly laws. There is no universal right or wrong, whats right and wrong is what a society says it is. They society just happens to think like this. </div></div>

That is bullshit, for some reason we eat the shit they feed us, 15 of the 19 9-11 hijackers came from saudi, we kiss their ass for oil and to be honest we should bomb the shit out of them and take the oil, screw them, until we started developing oil resources they were a poor desert country, now we protect assholes like that.

Bin laden was once our friend too, how did that work for us?

 

[goober]

Re: These are our allies?

Conquer and rule to free their people -give them Coke levis and titty bars !!! Im for that

 

[Queequeg]

Re: These are our allies?

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: desertrat1979</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> I really don't see the issue. Thats how they deal with it in their country. Here, we would just call this person a con artist, spend tax money in courts, and give the person probation to do it again. Sorcery? Might be a bit much. While I do disagree with the laws and practices that exist in other countries, the whole, "thats them, not us" mentality works for me. Being our allies, as long as they do their part as one, I could care less how their laws go. They have zero effect on me and the citizens of this country. If you look at history, this country has its own past when it comes to executing people for practicing witchcraft. </div></div>

400 years ago...

Like the canard about "The Crusades" that is always thrown in our faces every time we catch a jihadist, it's pretty thin gruel.

 

[desertrat1979]

Re: These are our allies?

So, how would you think this be handled? Should any country that is allied with us be required to dismiss all their beleifs and laws, freely adopt the ways of this country, and all is happy and well? You think that another country would not be as offended and angry at the shear ignorance, and self centeredness of such a request? This countries freedoms and liberties were born from blood that was shed by men wanting to be free. Keyword is "wanting". They were willing to do what they had to do to reach the goals they set. If the citizens of a country, suppressed by our definition, were to choose to make the sacrifices because they want better, then I support them. But THEY have to WANT it, and THEY should have to fight it. The fight that took place for our freedoms could have gone a diffrent direction, and this conversation wouldnt be happening. We did it on our own, by our choice. It should not be up to us, or any other country to impose that choice.

Left, right, whatever. I havent seen one argument from either that has motivated me to say one is right or wrong. Titles like that are a crock, and I refuse to say that I am either one. I will leave that to the polititians who are too full of their own shit that neither parties deserve the respect others blindly give.

 

[battle-scarred]

Re: These are our allies?

we are in bed with all sorts of nasties. honestly, i have a hard time looking at us as the good guys anymore.

 

[battle-scarred]

Re: These are our allies?

maybe we dont try to change them, but we also dont condone their behavior by giving the ruling elite billions of dollars to suppress the masses with.