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This wasn't the 20 year old,but still the same outcome.
This wasn't the 20 year old,but still the same outcome.
They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
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Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
""La Jefa," as she was known to her police agents, didn't carry weapons or have bodyguards."
I'm not a sniper and don't play one on tv but DUHHH! what the hell do you think might happen. Darwin Award
Sorry to the family
""La Jefa," as she was known to her police agents, didn't carry weapons or have bodyguards."
I'm not a sniper and don't play one on tv but DUHHH! what the hell do you think might happen. Darwin Award
Sorry to the family
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
Seems to me that Mexico needs their own version of Columbia's Los Pepes. When drug dealers start showing up dead on the side of the road people seem to take notice. Until then the sheep will just keep herding themselves to the wolves.
Seems to me that Mexico needs their own version of Columbia's Los Pepes. When drug dealers start showing up dead on the side of the road people seem to take notice. Until then the sheep will just keep herding themselves to the wolves.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
Did Caldron, send 40,000 soldiers to fight the cartels, or fight along side them, and help with the drug trafficking, cause from the sounds of it, that is what is happening.
Did Caldron, send 40,000 soldiers to fight the cartels, or fight along side them, and help with the drug trafficking, cause from the sounds of it, that is what is happening.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
Unfortunately its gonna get worse before it gets better.
Here in the valley most of our Mexican guests that are actually interested in an honest living went elsewhere in search of one......that leaves those less interested in an honest living.
Unfortunately its gonna get worse before it gets better.
Here in the valley most of our Mexican guests that are actually interested in an honest living went elsewhere in search of one......that leaves those less interested in an honest living.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
What shocked the shit out of me was back when Iraq was a mess, it was still safer to be there than Mexico.
Fuck Mexico.
What shocked the shit out of me was back when Iraq was a mess, it was still safer to be there than Mexico.
Fuck Mexico.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is the young one alive still? </div></div>
Should check the lines in Vegas on that one.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 300WSM</div><div class="ubbcode-body">is the young one alive still? </div></div>
Should check the lines in Vegas on that one.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
Something has got to give down there. It is bleeding into our State more and more everyday.
I have not verified the story but some of my LEO buddies were telling me about a shootout that happened on the Texas side near El Paso recently. Thes yahoos are getting more and more Brazen with their actions in the States and we had better get a grip on it....quickly or the redneck is gonna start coming out of some of these old timers if you know what I mean.
I have inlaws that live on a ranch less than 50 miles from the border as the crow flies and Illegal crossings are very common across their ranch. The B Patrol is completely inneffective in that area. My Father in law finds backpacks and "sign" daily anymore. My Mother in Law had a guy walk up to her door last month with a backpack ( full of dope im sure )and asked to use the phone. She denied and he went away. When the locals and BP came out and actually did something, they found him within an hour with my Father in laws tracking help. The back pack was missing, the guy was wearing camo, hiking boots, a Sat. phone with a dead battery, GPS, knife and no extra clothes. I dont know if the rest of you can read between the lnes but I have encounteretd many illegals over the years and never have seen ANY that well equipped. They usually have an extra shirt or two, all the water they can carry and minimal if any ID on them...
This guy was not the "run of the mill" illegal.
Anyway, Rant off but something has to give and pretty quick...
Something has got to give down there. It is bleeding into our State more and more everyday.
I have not verified the story but some of my LEO buddies were telling me about a shootout that happened on the Texas side near El Paso recently. Thes yahoos are getting more and more Brazen with their actions in the States and we had better get a grip on it....quickly or the redneck is gonna start coming out of some of these old timers if you know what I mean.
I have inlaws that live on a ranch less than 50 miles from the border as the crow flies and Illegal crossings are very common across their ranch. The B Patrol is completely inneffective in that area. My Father in law finds backpacks and "sign" daily anymore. My Mother in Law had a guy walk up to her door last month with a backpack ( full of dope im sure )and asked to use the phone. She denied and he went away. When the locals and BP came out and actually did something, they found him within an hour with my Father in laws tracking help. The back pack was missing, the guy was wearing camo, hiking boots, a Sat. phone with a dead battery, GPS, knife and no extra clothes. I dont know if the rest of you can read between the lnes but I have encounteretd many illegals over the years and never have seen ANY that well equipped. They usually have an extra shirt or two, all the water they can carry and minimal if any ID on them...
This guy was not the "run of the mill" illegal.
Anyway, Rant off but something has to give and pretty quick...
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some BP friends of mine say they never reportthe other illegals that get caught. Ones from Somalia,Iran,Irag,and other countries none too friendly to the US. Thats whats scarier than the drug mules. What have these guys brought with them?
some BP friends of mine say they never reportthe other illegals that get caught. Ones from Somalia,Iran,Irag,and other countries none too friendly to the US. Thats whats scarier than the drug mules. What have these guys brought with them?
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2,700 dead this year already in just one small area? That's pretty damn rough.
And agreed gunfighter, if they are crossing with gear like that they are not just looking for work and escaping violence.
2,700 dead this year already in just one small area? That's pretty damn rough.
And agreed gunfighter, if they are crossing with gear like that they are not just looking for work and escaping violence.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
This.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tucsondave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">some BP friends of mine say they never reportthe other illegals that get caught. Ones from Somalia,Iran,Irag,and other countries none too friendly to the US. Thats whats scarier than the drug mules. What have these guys brought with them? </div></div>
This.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Tucsondave</div><div class="ubbcode-body">some BP friends of mine say they never reportthe other illegals that get caught. Ones from Somalia,Iran,Irag,and other countries none too friendly to the US. Thats whats scarier than the drug mules. What have these guys brought with them? </div></div>
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> if they are crossing with gear like that they are not just looking for work and escaping violence. </div></div>
Yep, those I know that travel with Sat. phones, can bring/do violence wherever they travel on a scale that far exceeds their numbers.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body"> if they are crossing with gear like that they are not just looking for work and escaping violence. </div></div>
Yep, those I know that travel with Sat. phones, can bring/do violence wherever they travel on a scale that far exceeds their numbers.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: El Shavewa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems to me that Mexico needs their own version of Columbia's Los Pepes. When drug dealers start showing up dead on the side of the road people seem to take notice. Until then the sheep will just keep herding themselves to the wolves. </div></div>
That or Executive Outcomes, I think Los Pepes is dead on though, Too bad I can't speak spanish, that would be a job I'd be willing to take, with plenty of support that is lol.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: El Shavewa</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Seems to me that Mexico needs their own version of Columbia's Los Pepes. When drug dealers start showing up dead on the side of the road people seem to take notice. Until then the sheep will just keep herding themselves to the wolves. </div></div>
That or Executive Outcomes, I think Los Pepes is dead on though, Too bad I can't speak spanish, that would be a job I'd be willing to take, with plenty of support that is lol.
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I think XO would have a harder time with the Zetas than untrained African rebels. No collective force to attack and beat with superior tactics, just a extensive network of very evil muchacos.
I think XO would have a harder time with the Zetas than untrained African rebels. No collective force to attack and beat with superior tactics, just a extensive network of very evil muchacos.
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Let Mexico clean up their own trash. We'll take care of the trash that blows over the border.
Let Mexico clean up their own trash. We'll take care of the trash that blows over the border.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2,700 dead this year already in just one small area? That's pretty damn rough.
And agreed gunfighter, if they are crossing with gear like that they are not just looking for work and escaping violence. </div></div>
Those are just the ones that are reported. There are thousands more that will not be found. There are mass graves that are regularly found. In fact one just the other day.
There was a guy in TJ (just about 25 minutes from me) that was arrested for being on the cartels payroll for acid dipping dead bodies. They have no idea how many he was personally responsible for but it could be in the high hundreds or higher.
Calderon is allowing the cartels because he is afraid to go against the cartels or he would be assassinated.
There are only two ways to fix Mexico.
1. Eliminate the need for drugs in the U.S.
2. Arm the population on Mexico and let them take back their country.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: nly205</div><div class="ubbcode-body">2,700 dead this year already in just one small area? That's pretty damn rough.
And agreed gunfighter, if they are crossing with gear like that they are not just looking for work and escaping violence. </div></div>
Those are just the ones that are reported. There are thousands more that will not be found. There are mass graves that are regularly found. In fact one just the other day.
There was a guy in TJ (just about 25 minutes from me) that was arrested for being on the cartels payroll for acid dipping dead bodies. They have no idea how many he was personally responsible for but it could be in the high hundreds or higher.
Calderon is allowing the cartels because he is afraid to go against the cartels or he would be assassinated.
There are only two ways to fix Mexico.
1. Eliminate the need for drugs in the U.S.
2. Arm the population on Mexico and let them take back their country.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let Mexico clean up their own trash. We'll take care of the trash that blows over the border. </div></div>
IF we took care of the trash. See, it's more like recycling. If you get caught crossing, you get sent home and you have to try again later.
We have violent criminals THIS FAR NORTH who get deported and come back.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let Mexico clean up their own trash. We'll take care of the trash that blows over the border. </div></div>
IF we took care of the trash. See, it's more like recycling. If you get caught crossing, you get sent home and you have to try again later.
We have violent criminals THIS FAR NORTH who get deported and come back.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those wondering, Marisol Garcia is still police chief in Juarez Valley, northern Mexico. The girl has got guts. God bless her. </div></div>
Yeah, best of luck to her but she'll most likely end up dead like the rest. Good intentions, compassion, and faith alone will not save her, at least not here on Earth. Wailing and lighting candles won't get their country back from the grips evil doers either. They need another revolution and some world-class (3rd party) ninjas in there to take out the trash and start stacking the bodies without due process.
Ever notice that almost all of mexico's post-colonial "heroes" are romanticized bandits or martyrs? Their own culture of accepting bribes as "business-as-usual" and class warfare where elites squeezed the powerless have-nots has finally caught up to them and it has spun out of control. Years of oppressive and corrupt government caused this mess. The wolves were sticking it to the man and that gained the sheep's support but the wolves kept the spoils for themselves. The Robin Hood sales pitch was a lie from the beginning.
Where's Zorro when you need him?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those wondering, Marisol Garcia is still police chief in Juarez Valley, northern Mexico. The girl has got guts. God bless her. </div></div>
Yeah, best of luck to her but she'll most likely end up dead like the rest. Good intentions, compassion, and faith alone will not save her, at least not here on Earth. Wailing and lighting candles won't get their country back from the grips evil doers either. They need another revolution and some world-class (3rd party) ninjas in there to take out the trash and start stacking the bodies without due process.
Ever notice that almost all of mexico's post-colonial "heroes" are romanticized bandits or martyrs? Their own culture of accepting bribes as "business-as-usual" and class warfare where elites squeezed the powerless have-nots has finally caught up to them and it has spun out of control. Years of oppressive and corrupt government caused this mess. The wolves were sticking it to the man and that gained the sheep's support but the wolves kept the spoils for themselves. The Robin Hood sales pitch was a lie from the beginning.
Where's Zorro when you need him?
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It's going to take a civil war to clean up Mexico, and a whole lotta backbone from the honest folks. At this point corruption is systemic and cultural. It may take the passing of generations to alter the course.
It's going to take a civil war to clean up Mexico, and a whole lotta backbone from the honest folks. At this point corruption is systemic and cultural. It may take the passing of generations to alter the course.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: konabully</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those wondering, Marisol Garcia is still police chief in Juarez Valley, northern Mexico. The girl has got guts. God bless her. </div></div>
Yeah, best of luck to her but she'll most likely end up dead like the rest. Good intentions, compassion, and faith alone will not save her, at least not here on Earth. Wailing and lighting candles won't get their country back from the grips of evil doers either. They need another revolution and some world-class (3rd party) ninjas in there to take out the trash and start stacking the bodies without due process.
Ever notice that almost all of mexico's post-colonial "heroes" are romanticized bandits or martyrs? Their own culture of accepting bribes as "business-as-usual" and class warfare where elites squeezed the powerless have-nots has finally caught up to them and it has spun out of control. Years of oppressive and corrupt government caused this mess. The wolves were sticking it to the man and that gained the sheep's support but the wolves kept the spoils for themselves. The Robin Hood sales pitch was a lie from the beginning.
Where's Zorro when you need him?
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Agreed.
Zorro with an FFL and a huge inventory to distribute among the Natives with balls enough to fight to take back their country.
Of the guys I've seen (and known) who are willing to work on 130 degree roofs, pour slabs, stack block, hang rock, etc., for 90 hours a week, after making the desperate, illegal voyage to get here to work, there exists a minority of men with balls enough to take it even further. Men (And women apparently!) with guts to fight the evil strangling their nation.
Surely Mexican patriotism runs far deeper than obnoxious soccer fans and support for a bogus holiday like Cinco de Konyo. But all the courage in the world is worthless when the people are so effectively disarmed and the crucifixion that awaits those caught with arms deemed illegal by the monumentally feckless and corrupt state, local and federal government.
The people must be armed so they may fight back. Fuck the upper class nepotists and their stone age revulsion toward their own fellow citizens. They have dithered for generations while Mexico's potential has been squandered.
This is what awaits us here if anti-gun elitists, in concert with the corrupt, one party media, ever succeed in bringing the wreckage they've wrought in Chicago, N.Y.C., D.C., Detroit and Philly, to the rest of our nation..
Waiting for a Mexican giant to step up will not suffice. The people need weapons and the support and encouragement to fight.
Perhaps Zorro should have insisted on a 2nd amendment for Mexico when he wasn't charming the Senoritas. But then, Zorro rode in California as I recall. Topic for another day!
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: konabully</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ZLBubba</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For those wondering, Marisol Garcia is still police chief in Juarez Valley, northern Mexico. The girl has got guts. God bless her. </div></div>
Yeah, best of luck to her but she'll most likely end up dead like the rest. Good intentions, compassion, and faith alone will not save her, at least not here on Earth. Wailing and lighting candles won't get their country back from the grips of evil doers either. They need another revolution and some world-class (3rd party) ninjas in there to take out the trash and start stacking the bodies without due process.
Ever notice that almost all of mexico's post-colonial "heroes" are romanticized bandits or martyrs? Their own culture of accepting bribes as "business-as-usual" and class warfare where elites squeezed the powerless have-nots has finally caught up to them and it has spun out of control. Years of oppressive and corrupt government caused this mess. The wolves were sticking it to the man and that gained the sheep's support but the wolves kept the spoils for themselves. The Robin Hood sales pitch was a lie from the beginning.
Where's Zorro when you need him?
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Agreed.
Zorro with an FFL and a huge inventory to distribute among the Natives with balls enough to fight to take back their country.
Of the guys I've seen (and known) who are willing to work on 130 degree roofs, pour slabs, stack block, hang rock, etc., for 90 hours a week, after making the desperate, illegal voyage to get here to work, there exists a minority of men with balls enough to take it even further. Men (And women apparently!) with guts to fight the evil strangling their nation.
Surely Mexican patriotism runs far deeper than obnoxious soccer fans and support for a bogus holiday like Cinco de Konyo. But all the courage in the world is worthless when the people are so effectively disarmed and the crucifixion that awaits those caught with arms deemed illegal by the monumentally feckless and corrupt state, local and federal government.
The people must be armed so they may fight back. Fuck the upper class nepotists and their stone age revulsion toward their own fellow citizens. They have dithered for generations while Mexico's potential has been squandered.
This is what awaits us here if anti-gun elitists, in concert with the corrupt, one party media, ever succeed in bringing the wreckage they've wrought in Chicago, N.Y.C., D.C., Detroit and Philly, to the rest of our nation..
Waiting for a Mexican giant to step up will not suffice. The people need weapons and the support and encouragement to fight.
Perhaps Zorro should have insisted on a 2nd amendment for Mexico when he wasn't charming the Senoritas. But then, Zorro rode in California as I recall. Topic for another day!
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I believe marijuana to be a drug. But in that, was willing to see it legalized here in Ca, in order to hopefully slow the drug trade, and maybe stabilize the border somewhat. If we can grow it here, or import it legally, then it would take the money out of it, and hopefully pull the rug out from underneath the cartels.
Gunfighter, on the sat phone, Im glad you know people who can get them to work, becuase I have one, and its a step below a smoke signal or two cans tied together with a string. The one I have used was the most worthless thing I have ever used.
I believe marijuana to be a drug. But in that, was willing to see it legalized here in Ca, in order to hopefully slow the drug trade, and maybe stabilize the border somewhat. If we can grow it here, or import it legally, then it would take the money out of it, and hopefully pull the rug out from underneath the cartels.
Gunfighter, on the sat phone, Im glad you know people who can get them to work, becuase I have one, and its a step below a smoke signal or two cans tied together with a string. The one I have used was the most worthless thing I have ever used.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunjunkieM24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something has got to give down there. It is bleeding into our State more and more everyday.
I have not verified the story but some of my LEO buddies were telling me about a shootout that happened on the Texas side near El Paso recently. Thes yahoos are getting more and more Brazen with their actions in the States and we had better get a grip on it....quickly or the redneck is gonna start coming out of some of these old timers if you know what I mean.
I have inlaws that live on a ranch less than 50 miles from the border as the crow flies and Illegal crossings are very common across their ranch. The B Patrol is completely inneffective in that area. My Father in law finds backpacks and "sign" daily anymore. My Mother in Law had a guy walk up to her door last month with a backpack ( full of dope im sure )and asked to use the phone. She denied and he went away. When the locals and BP came out and actually did something, they found him within an hour with my Father in laws tracking help. The back pack was missing, the guy was wearing camo, hiking boots, a Sat. phone with a dead battery, GPS, knife and no extra clothes. I dont know if the rest of you can read between the lnes but I have encounteretd many illegals over the years and never have seen ANY that well equipped. They usually have an extra shirt or two, all the water they can carry and minimal if any ID on them...
This guy was not the "run of the mill" illegal.
Anyway, Rant off but something has to give and pretty quick...
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I worked in Falfurrias for almost a year as a hunting guide and several times I saw smugglers, very well armed. Luckily I was usually in good cover and several hundred yards away. But one time one came within 15 yard of me. Luckily I was hidden very well and armed myself. Scary as hell. The laws need to change. I think we should be able to use deadly force against anyone trespassing on private land, especially if they are armed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GunjunkieM24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Something has got to give down there. It is bleeding into our State more and more everyday.
I have not verified the story but some of my LEO buddies were telling me about a shootout that happened on the Texas side near El Paso recently. Thes yahoos are getting more and more Brazen with their actions in the States and we had better get a grip on it....quickly or the redneck is gonna start coming out of some of these old timers if you know what I mean.
I have inlaws that live on a ranch less than 50 miles from the border as the crow flies and Illegal crossings are very common across their ranch. The B Patrol is completely inneffective in that area. My Father in law finds backpacks and "sign" daily anymore. My Mother in Law had a guy walk up to her door last month with a backpack ( full of dope im sure )and asked to use the phone. She denied and he went away. When the locals and BP came out and actually did something, they found him within an hour with my Father in laws tracking help. The back pack was missing, the guy was wearing camo, hiking boots, a Sat. phone with a dead battery, GPS, knife and no extra clothes. I dont know if the rest of you can read between the lnes but I have encounteretd many illegals over the years and never have seen ANY that well equipped. They usually have an extra shirt or two, all the water they can carry and minimal if any ID on them...
This guy was not the "run of the mill" illegal.
Anyway, Rant off but something has to give and pretty quick...
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I worked in Falfurrias for almost a year as a hunting guide and several times I saw smugglers, very well armed. Luckily I was usually in good cover and several hundred yards away. But one time one came within 15 yard of me. Luckily I was hidden very well and armed myself. Scary as hell. The laws need to change. I think we should be able to use deadly force against anyone trespassing on private land, especially if they are armed.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Gunfighter, on the sat phone, Im glad you know people who can get them to work, becuase I have one, and its a step below a smoke signal or two cans tied together with a string. The one I have used was the most worthless thing I have ever used. </div></div>
The first one I ever used was in 94 and it worked perfect. The last one I was on was last year and it never missed a beat either. Both of those were Uncle issued.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ubet</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Gunfighter, on the sat phone, Im glad you know people who can get them to work, becuase I have one, and its a step below a smoke signal or two cans tied together with a string. The one I have used was the most worthless thing I have ever used. </div></div>
The first one I ever used was in 94 and it worked perfect. The last one I was on was last year and it never missed a beat either. Both of those were Uncle issued.
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Figured yours was probably uncle issued, that would be the MAIN problem with mine probably, that its civilian
Figured yours was probably uncle issued, that would be the MAIN problem with mine probably, that its civilian
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let Mexico clean up their own trash. We'll take care of the trash that blows over the border. </div></div>
IF we took care of the trash. See, it's more like recycling. If you get caught crossing, you get sent home and you have to try again later.
We have violent criminals THIS FAR NORTH who get deported and come back. </div></div>
Exactly my point. We have our own mess to deal with. I'll be damned if we should be over there dicking with their mess when we don't even effectively handle our own yet.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: JRose</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Let Mexico clean up their own trash. We'll take care of the trash that blows over the border. </div></div>
IF we took care of the trash. See, it's more like recycling. If you get caught crossing, you get sent home and you have to try again later.
We have violent criminals THIS FAR NORTH who get deported and come back. </div></div>
Exactly my point. We have our own mess to deal with. I'll be damned if we should be over there dicking with their mess when we don't even effectively handle our own yet.
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5 mile wide strip along the length the border would be a nice place to let all our ordnance training happen.......
5 mile wide strip along the length the border would be a nice place to let all our ordnance training happen.......
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
For a long time I have been saying, lay a 500 yard minefield and place some remote machine gun towers.
It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are doing now.
Of course it would also require a president who had the balls to tell Mexico to fuck-off and keep their noses out of our Domestic Security.
I still say just announcing to the locals who live on the boarder that invaders are legal targets would greatly slow the flow. Hell it might even spark a tourism trade to the area. A domestic safari if you will.
Cold blooded? Hell no. It's called defending our borders. I don't really want to get shot, so I don't go sneaking into countries I shouldn't be in. I think the world should show the same courtesy to us.
For a long time I have been saying, lay a 500 yard minefield and place some remote machine gun towers.
It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are doing now.
Of course it would also require a president who had the balls to tell Mexico to fuck-off and keep their noses out of our Domestic Security.
I still say just announcing to the locals who live on the boarder that invaders are legal targets would greatly slow the flow. Hell it might even spark a tourism trade to the area. A domestic safari if you will.
Cold blooded? Hell no. It's called defending our borders. I don't really want to get shot, so I don't go sneaking into countries I shouldn't be in. I think the world should show the same courtesy to us.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a long time I have been saying, lay a 500 yard minefield and place some remote machine gun towers.
It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are doing now.
Of course it would also require a president who had the balls to tell Mexico to fuck-off and keep their noses out of our Domestic Security.
I still say just announcing to the locals who live on the boarder that invaders are legal targets would greatly slow the flow. Hell it might even spark a tourism trade to the area. A domestic safari if you will.
Cold blooded? Hell no. It's called defending our borders. I don't really want to get shot, so I don't go sneaking into countries I shouldn't be in. I think the world should show the same courtesy to us. </div></div>
+1 Very well put.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a long time I have been saying, lay a 500 yard minefield and place some remote machine gun towers.
It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are doing now.
Of course it would also require a president who had the balls to tell Mexico to fuck-off and keep their noses out of our Domestic Security.
I still say just announcing to the locals who live on the boarder that invaders are legal targets would greatly slow the flow. Hell it might even spark a tourism trade to the area. A domestic safari if you will.
Cold blooded? Hell no. It's called defending our borders. I don't really want to get shot, so I don't go sneaking into countries I shouldn't be in. I think the world should show the same courtesy to us. </div></div>
+1 Very well put.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
To bad the military cant act on this and use all this as various training tools. Free targets to shoot.
To bad the military cant act on this and use all this as various training tools. Free targets to shoot.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: banks74</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a long time I have been saying, lay a 500 yard minefield and place some remote machine gun towers.
It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are doing now.
Of course it would also require a president who had the balls to tell Mexico to fuck-off and keep their noses out of our Domestic Security.
I still say just announcing to the locals who live on the boarder that invaders are legal targets would greatly slow the flow. Hell it might even spark a tourism trade to the area. A domestic safari if you will.
Cold blooded? Hell no. It's called defending our borders. I don't really want to get shot, so I don't go sneaking into countries I shouldn't be in. I think the world should show the same courtesy to us. </div></div>
+1 Very well put. </div></div>
Too late. We fucked around too long. The country is already infiltrated with illegals and those who support them (free votes, anyone?) I think it will be next to impossible to ever elect a man who has the love of country and balls necessary to stand for our border or any other Pro American issue. All about PC now. Sad but true.
If we did take steps in the right direction, most of Congress and many in the current administration would go to jail. ASAP
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: banks74</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">For a long time I have been saying, lay a 500 yard minefield and place some remote machine gun towers.
It would have to be a hell of a lot cheaper than what we are doing now.
Of course it would also require a president who had the balls to tell Mexico to fuck-off and keep their noses out of our Domestic Security.
I still say just announcing to the locals who live on the boarder that invaders are legal targets would greatly slow the flow. Hell it might even spark a tourism trade to the area. A domestic safari if you will.
Cold blooded? Hell no. It's called defending our borders. I don't really want to get shot, so I don't go sneaking into countries I shouldn't be in. I think the world should show the same courtesy to us. </div></div>
+1 Very well put. </div></div>
Too late. We fucked around too long. The country is already infiltrated with illegals and those who support them (free votes, anyone?) I think it will be next to impossible to ever elect a man who has the love of country and balls necessary to stand for our border or any other Pro American issue. All about PC now. Sad but true.
If we did take steps in the right direction, most of Congress and many in the current administration would go to jail. ASAP
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There are only two ways to fix Mexico.
1. Eliminate the need for drugs in the U.S.
2. Arm the population on Mexico and let them take back their country. </div></div>
1.
It is not possible. Instead, legalize them here. The price will fall. The law of supply and demand is immutable. We are restricting the supply, and that causes the price to rise. The high price is the incentive for the drug gangs. We are funding this violence due to our war on (some) drugs. It is common knowledge that prohibition led to organized crime. Why don't people see that it still does?
2. Agreed.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
There are only two ways to fix Mexico.
1. Eliminate the need for drugs in the U.S.
2. Arm the population on Mexico and let them take back their country. </div></div>
1.
It is not possible. Instead, legalize them here. The price will fall. The law of supply and demand is immutable. We are restricting the supply, and that causes the price to rise. The high price is the incentive for the drug gangs. We are funding this violence due to our war on (some) drugs. It is common knowledge that prohibition led to organized crime. Why don't people see that it still does?
2. Agreed.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
I wouldn't piss in the ass of a drug user if his guts was on fire. BUT all drugs should be legalized. Then all of this crap would stop. It is no different than it was back in the prohibition...
I wouldn't piss in the ass of a drug user if his guts was on fire. BUT all drugs should be legalized. Then all of this crap would stop. It is no different than it was back in the prohibition...
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Then we would further develope draconian social welfare programs that would support a much larger druggie culture running our economy further into the shitter!
How about we cleans Mexico, annex it and party with the Tecate girls like I did back in the day (they were very nice)?
Then we would further develope draconian social welfare programs that would support a much larger druggie culture running our economy further into the shitter!
How about we cleans Mexico, annex it and party with the Tecate girls like I did back in the day (they were very nice)?
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patriotoutlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't piss in the ass of a drug user if his guts was on fire. <span style="font-weight: bold">BUT all drugs should be legalized.</span> Then all of this crap would stop. It is no different than it was back in the prohibition... </div></div>
I am guessing you don't spend a whole lot of time around crack or meth users.
You want to reduce the drug problem, stop paying dirtbags to be drug addicts. Know how much weed or crack you can get for a can of formula? Know how to get more formula from the government?
Sometimes it's a little bigger than the conspiracy theorists would like you to believe. But then again, I am just "the man" and even though I have to exist in that culture for a large percentage of my waking hours, no one cares what I (or my brothers and sisters) have to say.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patriotoutlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I wouldn't piss in the ass of a drug user if his guts was on fire. <span style="font-weight: bold">BUT all drugs should be legalized.</span> Then all of this crap would stop. It is no different than it was back in the prohibition... </div></div>
I am guessing you don't spend a whole lot of time around crack or meth users.
You want to reduce the drug problem, stop paying dirtbags to be drug addicts. Know how much weed or crack you can get for a can of formula? Know how to get more formula from the government?
Sometimes it's a little bigger than the conspiracy theorists would like you to believe. But then again, I am just "the man" and even though I have to exist in that culture for a large percentage of my waking hours, no one cares what I (or my brothers and sisters) have to say.
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LoneWolf, you'd be geussin right. I live in the middle of the meth capital of the US, but I don't socialize with people of such character. I see drug use as a civil liberty issue. As well as a spiritual problem. I don't care what people do behind closed doors as long as they aren't hurting others. If drugs were legal, where would they be able to trade formula for it? The inner city gangs (murder rates) would dry up, there wouldn't be the need for nearly as many lawyers, judges, cops, prisons, drug courts,federalization of local Police forces, etc....At this time, most of the people doing time are not the "big wigs". The kingpins just play the system and make their $ while remaing virtually untouchable. The border problem would be less of an issue. The Border Patrol could concentrate on the real issues at hand, terrorism, illegal aliens, etc.. as the cartels would be nonexsistant. Sell the crap in "state stores", rake in the tax $ and educate users to the dangers invovled with using drugs and EVENTUALLY the drug use would decline. I know this will never happen. This is for one reason and it has nothing to do with individual welfare. It is all about THE MONEY....
LoneWolf, you'd be geussin right. I live in the middle of the meth capital of the US, but I don't socialize with people of such character. I see drug use as a civil liberty issue. As well as a spiritual problem. I don't care what people do behind closed doors as long as they aren't hurting others. If drugs were legal, where would they be able to trade formula for it? The inner city gangs (murder rates) would dry up, there wouldn't be the need for nearly as many lawyers, judges, cops, prisons, drug courts,federalization of local Police forces, etc....At this time, most of the people doing time are not the "big wigs". The kingpins just play the system and make their $ while remaing virtually untouchable. The border problem would be less of an issue. The Border Patrol could concentrate on the real issues at hand, terrorism, illegal aliens, etc.. as the cartels would be nonexsistant. Sell the crap in "state stores", rake in the tax $ and educate users to the dangers invovled with using drugs and EVENTUALLY the drug use would decline. I know this will never happen. This is for one reason and it has nothing to do with individual welfare. It is all about THE MONEY....
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Look at liquor, then tell me where your logic is flawed.
Alcohol is legal, criminals steal for it, fight over it, trade it, and in some areas of the country they still bootleg for it. A large portion of the homeless population as well as the unemployed and disabled are alcoholics. This is all from a substance that is nowhere near as addictive as crack cocaine or meth and it's still totally legal.
I see the "rights" argument all the time. It would be great if we could say that substance abuse behind closed doors wouldn't hurt anybody, but that's a very naive view. If you want to broaden your view, get to know some addicts. Get to know their families. Take a look at their kids. Crack use happens behind closed doors. Meth use happens behind closed doors. The legal implications of using those substances are the least of the problems the users and their families have to worry about.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patriotoutlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sell the crap in "state stores", rake in the tax $ and educate users to the dangers invovled with using drugs and EVENTUALLY the drug use would decline. </div></div>
You mean much like the repeal of prohibition and the taxation of alcohol has taken care of the crime and social disease caused by alcohol abuse? It's legal to drink as much as you want behind closed doors. I have no checked, but I would venture a guess that if you compared numbers, the taxes generated by alcohol sales don't come close to the amount of money spent by the government for the treatment of alcoholics on public welfare programs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patriotoutlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...At this time, most of the people doing time are not the "big wigs". The kingpins just play the system and make their $ while remaing virtually untouchable.</div></div>
How many Narcotics investigations have you been a part of? How many Narcotics trials have you sat through? When is the last time you read a case file from a major narcotics bust? I am guessing that like most you are assuming based on media reports and Hollywood.
Very often the "kingpin" gets put away for quite some time. The problem is the next "pawn" steps up and becomes king for a day until he falls. I will admit it's a never ending cycle because in the world they come from there is no drawback to entering into that life. If everyone you know has been locked up for something, then why would you worry about going to jail? A jail cell is a hell of a lot nicer that many of the houses we have served warrants on.
As I said. I spend a LOT of time with these people in these areas dealing with these problems. I don't think you have a very well informed view.
Look at liquor, then tell me where your logic is flawed.
Alcohol is legal, criminals steal for it, fight over it, trade it, and in some areas of the country they still bootleg for it. A large portion of the homeless population as well as the unemployed and disabled are alcoholics. This is all from a substance that is nowhere near as addictive as crack cocaine or meth and it's still totally legal.
I see the "rights" argument all the time. It would be great if we could say that substance abuse behind closed doors wouldn't hurt anybody, but that's a very naive view. If you want to broaden your view, get to know some addicts. Get to know their families. Take a look at their kids. Crack use happens behind closed doors. Meth use happens behind closed doors. The legal implications of using those substances are the least of the problems the users and their families have to worry about.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patriotoutlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Sell the crap in "state stores", rake in the tax $ and educate users to the dangers invovled with using drugs and EVENTUALLY the drug use would decline. </div></div>
You mean much like the repeal of prohibition and the taxation of alcohol has taken care of the crime and social disease caused by alcohol abuse? It's legal to drink as much as you want behind closed doors. I have no checked, but I would venture a guess that if you compared numbers, the taxes generated by alcohol sales don't come close to the amount of money spent by the government for the treatment of alcoholics on public welfare programs.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: patriotoutlaw</div><div class="ubbcode-body">...At this time, most of the people doing time are not the "big wigs". The kingpins just play the system and make their $ while remaing virtually untouchable.</div></div>
How many Narcotics investigations have you been a part of? How many Narcotics trials have you sat through? When is the last time you read a case file from a major narcotics bust? I am guessing that like most you are assuming based on media reports and Hollywood.
Very often the "kingpin" gets put away for quite some time. The problem is the next "pawn" steps up and becomes king for a day until he falls. I will admit it's a never ending cycle because in the world they come from there is no drawback to entering into that life. If everyone you know has been locked up for something, then why would you worry about going to jail? A jail cell is a hell of a lot nicer that many of the houses we have served warrants on.
As I said. I spend a LOT of time with these people in these areas dealing with these problems. I don't think you have a very well informed view.
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I said. I spend a LOT of time with these people in these areas dealing with these problems. I don't think you have a very well informed view. </div></div>
No, but it helps to make the delusional case that we here in the U.S. have made no contribution to the nightmare in Mexico and, just as lazily, a simplistic solution, obvious to all but those stupid conservatives, exists that will solve it.
Just what this nation needs, even more legally stupified people...Sorry, but as laziness, unaccountability and pure idiocy seem to be our chief export products today, I must disagree with the one dimensional view of doper emancipation.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LoneWolfUSMC</div><div class="ubbcode-body">As I said. I spend a LOT of time with these people in these areas dealing with these problems. I don't think you have a very well informed view. </div></div>
No, but it helps to make the delusional case that we here in the U.S. have made no contribution to the nightmare in Mexico and, just as lazily, a simplistic solution, obvious to all but those stupid conservatives, exists that will solve it.
Just what this nation needs, even more legally stupified people...Sorry, but as laziness, unaccountability and pure idiocy seem to be our chief export products today, I must disagree with the one dimensional view of doper emancipation.
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You're a wise man LonewolfUSMC, wise man. Excellent post!
Flyingbullseye
You're a wise man LonewolfUSMC, wise man. Excellent post!
Flyingbullseye
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
Another police chief down. She's officially considered missing, however in all likely hood its only a matter of time before her body is found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Flyingbullseye
Another police chief down. She's officially considered missing, however in all likely hood its only a matter of time before her body is found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Flyingbullseye
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another police chief down. She's officially considered missing, however in all likely hood its only a matter of time before her body is found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Flyingbullseye</div></div>
A huge number of people (bodies) are never recovered as they are dumped into 55 gallon drums of acid and left to percolate for a month or so. They arrested a guy in TJ that they say may have liquidated 1,000's.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another police chief down. She's officially considered missing, however in all likely hood its only a matter of time before her body is found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Flyingbullseye</div></div>
A huge number of people (bodies) are never recovered as they are dumped into 55 gallon drums of acid and left to percolate for a month or so. They arrested a guy in TJ that they say may have liquidated 1,000's.
Re: They Killed Her. Told ya it wasn' gonna end well.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another police chief down. She's officially considered missing, however in all likely hood its only a matter of time before her body is found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Flyingbullseye</div></div>
A huge number of people (bodies) are never recovered as they are dumped into 55 gallon drums of acid and left to percolate for a month or so. They arrested a guy in TJ that they say may have liquidated 1,000's. </div></div>
The sick part is that they're not all dead when they add them to the drum.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: The Mechanic</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Flyingbullseye</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Another police chief down. She's officially considered missing, however in all likely hood its only a matter of time before her body is found.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20101228/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/lt_drug_war_mexico
Flyingbullseye</div></div>
A huge number of people (bodies) are never recovered as they are dumped into 55 gallon drums of acid and left to percolate for a month or so. They arrested a guy in TJ that they say may have liquidated 1,000's. </div></div>
The sick part is that they're not all dead when they add them to the drum.
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