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Tuna921

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I wonder who leaks this stuff ? Anyhow not good .....Always remember nothing is secret anymore

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/04/05/video-appears-forces-firing-unarmed-suspects-baghdad/


The investigative organization WikiLeaks on Monday released military video of what it describes as three incidents of an "indiscriminate slaying" by U.S. forces near Baghdad on July 12, 2007.

WikiLeaks says the encounters killed as many as 25 civilians, including two Reuters journalists. The U.S. military said in a statement at the time that a total of 11 people died in the strikes conducted by U.S. and Iraqi forces, including two Reuters employees.

The video, obtained by WikiLeaks, is shot from two Apache helicopters on patrol in Iraq. The choppers were responding to reports of AK-47 gunfire in the suburb of New Baghdad when military personnel on board spotted a group of nine to 12 persons, including what turned out to be the two Reuters photographers, walking through a courtyard.

The military contends that the U.S. followed the appropriate "Rules of Engagement" for these episodes. In fact at the time, the Pentagon says U.S. troops were hit by rocket-propelled grenades (RPG's) and small arms fire while caught in a clash with Shia insurgents.

"There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force," said multinational forces spokesman Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl in July, 2007.

The video shows military personnel aboard the Apaches indicating they spot the suspects toting several AK-47s and several RPG's. But WikiLeaks contends that the Reuters photographers were only carrying cameras, which the military mistook for weapons. The helicopters circled multiple times before opening fire.

"Keep shooting!," yells a U.S. soldier recorded in the chopper radio traffic.

"Oh yeah, look at those dead bastards," responds another.

"Nice!" adds a third.

A military official confirmed the authenticity of the video to The Associated Press.

The two Reuters employees who died were 22-year-old photographer Namir Noor-Eldeen and his 40-year-old assistant Saeed Chmagh. The identities of the other casualties are unknown.

Once the smoke clears from the U.S. attack, one of the Reuters employees appears to be wounded and is crawling away from the scene.

"All you gotta do is pick up a weapon," says a voice aboard one of the Apaches.

In the second incident, a van arrives and begins to pick up the bodies. U.S. forces fire again.

WikiLeaks believes four people were killed in this attack.

Later, American ground troops pull into the courtyard in an armored Humvee and appear to drive over one of the casualties.

"I think they just drove over a body," says one of the voices aboard the Apaches.

"Really?" asks a colleague

"Yeah," answers the first voice with a chuckle.

A bit later, the same helicopters spot several individuals entering a nearby building. U.S. troops receive permission to strike again, this time with Hellfire missiles.

"Bastards!" shouts a voice from the helicopter.

"Look at that bitch go!" chimes in another voice.

"Nice missile," compliments a third voice.

Julian Assange of WikiLeaks released the video at the National Press Club in Washington. He described the U.S. troops as callous and the shootings as "another day at the office."

"The behavior of the pilots is like they're playing a video game," said Assange. "It's like they want to get high-scores in that computer game."

Reuters attempted to obtain the 38-minute video without success through the Freedom of Information Act. Assange would not say specifically about how WikiLeaks obtained the video.

"It was being conveyed by people in the U.S. military," he said, adding that some "people in the military don't like what's going on."

Asked to comment on the video, a senior military official at the Department of Defense told Fox News on the condition of anonymity that "an investigation of the incidents confirmed our belief that these attacks were justified."

"The individuals who were killed, apart from the Reuters journalists, were involved in hostile activity," this official said.

The official also said all the material seen on this video has been addressed publicly by the Department of Defense. "With regard to the death of the journalists and the apparent misidentification -- all of this has been acknowledged in the past," the official said.

 
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so because the reporter is out there doing his job, he was fair game willdo? and if he stayed inside the wire and wrote innacurate stories, you'd be on here complaining that the 'fkin reporters dont go out and see whats really going on, they just stay inside the wire then write some bullshit story
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tuna921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
He described the U.S. troops as callous and the shootings as "another day at the office."

"The behavior of the pilots is like they're playing a video game," said Assange. "It's like they want to get high-scores in that computer game."
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I have no problem with this. If we're going to send men to war I want them to be callous and it is another day at <span style="font-style: italic">their</span> office.

Who cares if they seem as if they're playing a game. I'm pretty sure video games are created to imitate these guys and their equipment, not the other way around. They're not getting high scores, they're hitting their targets. Proficiency should be highly regarded, not something to be embarrassed about.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tuna921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
"The individuals who were killed, apart from the Reuters journalists, were involved in hostile activity," this official said.
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If this is true then the journalists were taking a calculated risk which didn't turn out in their favor. It happens.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sickbugs</div><div class="ubbcode-body">so because the reporter is out there doing his job, he was fair game willdo? and if he stayed inside the wire and wrote innacurate stories, you'd be on here complaining that the 'fkin reporters dont go out and see whats really going on, they just stay inside the wire then write some bullshit story

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I agree with Walldo, hey its war, if you go there, you gotta understand theirs a chance you are gonna get shot, you dont want to take that chance, do something else. Shit happens.

Correct me if I misunderstood, were the reporters running around with insurgents? If they were running around with the enemy, I dont feel sorry for them.
 
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At the end of the day the reporters were with Enemy Insurgents, not only that, they were dressed in the same manner and appeared to be carrying weapons. I am not saying they deserved to die, but being a war reporter is a risky business and these two paid the price.

Having watched the video, the only "questionable" aspect I found was the attack on the van.

From this particular video, I could not see any weapons being loaded/removed, but that doesn't mean the crew of the other chopper didn't see something...The vehicle wasn't displaying a Red Crescent nor a White Flag either.

Also it should be noted that before opening fire, you could also hear the pilot ask permission several times before it was granted, so they were hardly trigger happy...

Its sad that kids were killed, but as somebody says, thats what you get for taking your kids onto a battle field..

Regards,

Peter
 
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Correct me if I am wrong have not seen the video yet but doesn't any pilot have to get permission to use any weapon no matter who they shoot at? If it happens to be a child or woman that is planting an IED doesn't the same rules apply?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Phylodog</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tuna921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
He described the U.S. troops as callous and the shootings as "another day at the office."

"The behavior of the pilots is like they're playing a video game," said Assange. "It's like they want to get high-scores in that computer game."
</div></div>

I have no problem with this. If we're going to send men to war I want them to be callous and it is another day at <span style="font-style: italic">their</span> office.

Who cares if they seem as if they're playing a game. I'm pretty sure video games are created to imitate these guys and their equipment, not the other way around. They're not getting high scores, they're hitting their targets. Proficiency should be highly regarded, not something to be embarrassed about.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tuna921</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
"The individuals who were killed, apart from the Reuters journalists, were involved in hostile activity," this official said.
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If this is true then the journalists were taking a calculated risk which didn't turn out in their favor. It happens. </div></div>

Well said Phylodog. I couldn't agree more.

 
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If you'll take the time to view the full video, not just the condensed wikileaks version with the biased intro telling you what to look for, you will easily see how this "mistake" was made.

I'm not going to embed the video.
If you want to see it, click the link.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=is9sxRfU-ik
It's 39 minutes long.

Personally, I think the military acted professionally and with great care in assessing and engaging the targets.
I also think that the prefaced video being watched by most on the special website setup for it is total bullshit.

I PM'd Lowlight earlier today and told him this was coming. I wasn't about to post it. Now that the cat is out for the bag, I think everyone should watch the full video before passing any judgments on anyone.
Keep in mind, these guys are flying aircraft, watching for enemy movement, watching their asses, and trying to make the right decisions all at the same time.
 
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It's common practice now for insurgents to film their attacks so if you're running with the enemy filming that puts you at risk..............TOO BAD

In fact the insurgent film crerw is now designated a high value target as the footage is used for propaganda, training of insurgents and for targeting of US forces.
 
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IF your dressed like the enemy, hanging with the enemy, who's to say your ass is not giving aid an comfort? Anyone on our side that would not trigger them right then an there is not defending this Nation.
You step in an active A/O it's hard rules. Get caught playing both sides, your going to run across someone that will smoke your ass,... just because. They knew the rules, but thought they were above them,... not a tear here.
Jane Fonda only made it out, because no one had a >85% shot,...Bombing was out of the question,...Fact.
 
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Screw them all! If they want to hang with the enemy they deserve teh same fate. Time was we didn't do things like that. Time was we had secrets and kept them to ourselves so our troops wouldn't get killed.
I know some ass munch commie bitch made consorting with the enemy fashionable during the Viet Nam war, but that never made it cool and it damn sure never made it safe if you were in a free fire target zone. Joe Insurgent Raghead Goat Ass Fucker wants some air time and one of the West's reporters thinks it's a cool place to be, kill 'em all. Scorth the Earth they walk on!

Damn, wasn't 2007 still a hot war in Baghdad? I do believe it was...
Asshat Commie Liberal Sympathizers!
 
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Reporters embedding with terrorists, in 2007, RPG and AK's within spitting distance, and people are shocked they were killed? I guess those terrorists don't protect their embeds like we do.