I wonder what her resume looked like to make her qualified to be the "Armorer"......... haha
J/K
J/KThis girl just screams firearms expert doesn't she?
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If I remember correctly, her father is Thell Reed. One time single action speed shooter. Probably riding off of his name..
Her dad is Thell Reed. Lots of movie connections. Thell was one of the original progenitors of "Combat Shooting" as a sport. As a teenager, Reed competed in Jeff Cooper's Big Bear "Leatherslaps" shooting competitions at Big Bear Lake, California. The Leatherslaps became the "South Western Combat Pistol League" or "SWCPL". Reed competed so successfully that he became one of the six "Combat Masters", so called because they would almost always take the first six places in the competition.[1] Of the six Combat Masters, Reed had the quickest draw.
The Combat Masters were:
The Combat Masters were:
- Jack Weaver
- John Plähn
- Elden Carl
- Ray Chapman
- Thell Reed
- Jeff Cooper
Filmography
- 2019
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Weapons Specialist - 2015
The Hateful Eight
Weapons Specialist - 2010
The Next Three Days
Armourer - 2010
The Mechanic
Armourer - 2007
3:10 to Yuma
Key Armourer - 2004
Down in the Valley
Gunslinger Expert - 2001
Behind Enemy Lines
Aerial Weapons Specialist - 2001
Proof of Life
Key Armourer - 1998
The Newton Boys
Weapons Specialist - 1997
L.A. Confidential
Armourer - 1996
Last Man Standing
Armourer - 1995
The Quick and the Dead
Armorer/Gun Coach - 1993
Tombstone
Armourer
I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but cummon man.... she looks like the poster child of gender bending snowflakes. One of those types that "projects" as a man on Tuesday and then as a femme-fluid goblin fairy on Wednesday.
This was a bad hire for sure....
This was a bad hire for sure....
I wouldn't hire her to walk my dogs, let alone be in charge of firearms and ammunition on a movie set. That's a walking red flag.
Got it, I understand the whole chick with weird hair-not qualified, yada, yada, yada.
I distinctly saw Baldwin, cock the hammer, finger on trigger, and the hammer falling. Baldwin was the HMIC, didn't check the weapon, fired the gun.
Lets strip this down to an Army level action. If a Company Commander, (shit, even a private) shot another (fellow) soldier with a live round during a miles training event (where we aim at our fellow soldier and squeeze the trigger), Battalion commanders and higher would be help accountable, and heads would swing...just saying.
I distinctly saw Baldwin, cock the hammer, finger on trigger, and the hammer falling. Baldwin was the HMIC, didn't check the weapon, fired the gun.
Lets strip this down to an Army level action. If a Company Commander, (shit, even a private) shot another (fellow) soldier with a live round during a miles training event (where we aim at our fellow soldier and squeeze the trigger), Battalion commanders and higher would be help accountable, and heads would swing...just saying.
I am not an Alec Baldwin fan, but this is a movie set where there is supposed to be ABSOLUTELY NO LIVE AMMO ON SET that dumb bitch requested live ammo from the supplier, he apparently said fuck no.......I would bet everything I own the live ammo came from this dumb bitch.
This.Her dad is Thell Reed. Lots of movie connections. Thell was one of the original progenitors of "Combat Shooting" as a sport. As a teenager, Reed competed in Jeff Cooper's Big Bear "Leatherslaps" shooting competitions at Big Bear Lake, California. The Leatherslaps became the "South Western Combat Pistol League" or "SWCPL". Reed competed so successfully that he became one of the six "Combat Masters", so called because they would almost always take the first six places in the competition.[1] Of the six Combat Masters, Reed had the quickest draw.
The Combat Masters were:
- Jack Weaver
- John Plähn
- Elden Carl
- Ray Chapman
- Thell Reed
- Jeff Cooper
Filmography
- 2019
Once Upon a Time… in Hollywood
Weapons Specialist- 2015
The Hateful Eight
Weapons Specialist- 2010
The Next Three Days
Armourer- 2010
The Mechanic
Armourer- 2007
3:10 to Yuma
Key Armourer- 2004
Down in the Valley
Gunslinger Expert- 2001
Behind Enemy Lines
Aerial Weapons Specialist- 2001
Proof of Life
Key Armourer- 1998
The Newton Boys
Weapons Specialist- 1997
L.A. Confidential
Armourer- 1996
Last Man Standing
Armourer- 1995
The Quick and the Dead
Armorer/Gun Coach- 1993
Tombstone
Armourer
She was qualified. Alec Baldwin PR machine is trying to scapegoat her. To keep his Commie leftard wastrel murdering ass Out of Jail.
Don’t for a second think it’s her fault. Not one second.
The whole world will come down on her to protect Arec Balween! Who murdered one Person and attempted on another.
Any implication that the armorer is at fault is BS. She didn’t cock the hammer, point a loaded gun at a staffer and blow out her liver. Pop.
Alec Baldwin did that. Then lawyered up and bought an escape house in Commie Vermont.
Yeah. He did that.
Not the armorer.
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Without knowing the exact SOPs of how acters and armorers are supposed to exchange firearms and as much of a left leaning liberal cock sucking prick, I think Alec Baldwin is I couldn't convict the man of murder in this case.
He broke ALL the rules of firearm safety...period!!!
Also, let us not forget AB tried to cheap out. The armorer he originally tried to hire refused because AB wanted the Armorer to also be the prop person which is a HUGE no-no for productions. That is how she got the job, none of the "experienced" armorers would do it. Also, it was reported that the scene occurred when she wasnt even on set!!
Also, let us not forget AB tried to cheap out. The armorer he originally tried to hire refused because AB wanted the Armorer to also be the prop person which is a HUGE no-no for productions. That is how she got the job, none of the "experienced" armorers would do it. Also, it was reported that the scene occurred when she wasnt even on set!!
nah it's ok to judge in my book. You want to look like a freak and be an outlier then don't be upset when I laugh, point, and stareI know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but cummon man.... she looks like the poster child of gender bending snowflakes. One of those types that "projects" as a man on Tuesday and then as a femme-fluid goblin fairy on Wednesday.
This was a bad hire for sure....
when is America going to challenge the hollywood nepotism? Clearly her father did a lousy job raising her
With respect, who gives a fuck what the actor's SOPs are. They don't over ride the tenets of firearms safety.
If I'm told I'm firing a blank or a snap cap by a competent shooter, I would still inspect. It's just unfathomable to point a gun at someone and shoot based on assumptions.
agree
she's benefited by nepotism and looks like a liberal loon but this is 100% on baldwin
Competent shooter who doesn’t live in the past.
My age is irrelevant. The Weaver stance, as well as a thumbs down grip on a semi auto, is an obsolete technique championed by losers who can't keep up with progress.
I heard they initially tried to hire another armorer, but that person refused productions "job description" to be part-time armorer/part-time stage hand. Instead of hiring two separate people, they tried to cut corners and just hire one to do both jobs - she took it.I know you're not supposed to judge a book by its cover, but cummon man.... she looks like the poster child of gender bending snowflakes. One of those types that "projects" as a man on Tuesday and then as a femme-fluid goblin fairy on Wednesday.
This was a bad hire for sure....
What caught my attention was that SHE ORDERED LIVE AMMO TO THE SET. WTFWYFWYF
Competent,, or no, why the fuck would she do that??? Apparently someone had the good sense to say no to her, but it got there anyway.
We blame Baldwin, and its true, he is ultimately responsible, of at least negligent homicide, but whoever was responsible for that round in the gun could likely be criminally liable and certainly civilly.
I see Baldy as responsible, but also a victim...of his own lack of caution, but also of someone's intentional malice or unintentional carelessness. Makes me wonder if someone had it in for him.. Could Miss Rainbow have been jealous of Halyna? Stranger things have happened.
Ordered live ammo? No fucking shit.
Competent,, or no, why the fuck would she do that??? Apparently someone had the good sense to say no to her, but it got there anyway.
We blame Baldwin, and its true, he is ultimately responsible, of at least negligent homicide, but whoever was responsible for that round in the gun could likely be criminally liable and certainly civilly.
I see Baldy as responsible, but also a victim...of his own lack of caution, but also of someone's intentional malice or unintentional carelessness. Makes me wonder if someone had it in for him.. Could Miss Rainbow have been jealous of Halyna? Stranger things have happened.
Ordered live ammo? No fucking shit.
That is like comparing Florida Georgia Line to Hank Williams III. Hank will simply tell these guys to GTFO of his face if they were happening to be in the vicinity of each other, and no further conversation would be had. Period.
he is probably very active in the anti 2a movement , oh oh shit that's a girl , holly shit I swore it was a dude with purple hair lol .
I'd heard that
1. she was only contracted to a maximum of 8 days of armourer work for the entire production - the rest of her job was to be random lowly jobs.... she aparrently did not prep the incident gun on the day and was not present in the are in the immediate lead up to the shooting
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2. someone allowed cast/crew members to live fire on set during breaks, seemingly for fun - possibly why she ordered live ammo
1. she was only contracted to a maximum of 8 days of armourer work for the entire production - the rest of her job was to be random lowly jobs.... she aparrently did not prep the incident gun on the day and was not present in the are in the immediate lead up to the shooting
and
2. someone allowed cast/crew members to live fire on set during breaks, seemingly for fun - possibly why she ordered live ammo
Dumb question:
On a movie set what’s the mode of operation when handling an actor a gun/prop gun? Are the actors supposed to check the firearm or do they take the armorers word? I’d figure the armorer would be responsible, especially if the actor had zero knowledge of firearms and ammunition (say an 8 year old kid, actors who have never fired a real gun, etc). Also if they were just setting up a scene wouldn’t it make sense to use a dummy gun?
The live ammo on set is pure fucktard shit and I’m no fan of Asshoe Baldwin but depending on the answer to the question above it would seem that most of the blame will be laid at the feet of the producers (which Baldwin is), the armorer, and the person who brought the live ammo on set?
On a movie set what’s the mode of operation when handling an actor a gun/prop gun? Are the actors supposed to check the firearm or do they take the armorers word? I’d figure the armorer would be responsible, especially if the actor had zero knowledge of firearms and ammunition (say an 8 year old kid, actors who have never fired a real gun, etc). Also if they were just setting up a scene wouldn’t it make sense to use a dummy gun?
The live ammo on set is pure fucktard shit and I’m no fan of Asshoe Baldwin but depending on the answer to the question above it would seem that most of the blame will be laid at the feet of the producers (which Baldwin is), the armorer, and the person who brought the live ammo on set?
reportedly, armourer was not present and assistant director collected gun from unsecured cart and (without checking it) handed it over to AB, declaring “cold gun”, AB then proceeded to shoot 2 people with it.
AB being one of the main people in the production is surely liable for the fuck ups of those employed by him…… do you have workplace safety laws in the USA?
AB being one of the main people in the production is surely liable for the fuck ups of those employed by him…… do you have workplace safety laws in the USA?
Family connections. Must be osmosis.
She's wasn't present and should not to be blamed for it. Derivation from accepted industry standards b/c AB wanted to cheap out production is at fault. If anyone should be blamed, it's AB and his negligent handling and wilful disregaard for the basic safety rule. In my mind, he's guilty as h*ll.
She's wasn't present and should not to be blamed for it. Derivation from accepted industry standards b/c AB wanted to cheap out production is at fault. If anyone should be blamed, it's AB and his negligent handling and wilful disregaard for the basic safety rule. In my mind, he's guilty as h*ll.
He is guilty of negligence for sure.
But someone else is just as guilty.
-Who brought live rounds onto the set?
-Who put a live round in the gun.
-Who handed it to him saying 'Cold gun' w/o checking it?
They should (all) be held equally accountable.
A friend of mine who has produced a movie, that had guns in it, told me that there is no way that a live round should have been near the actual guns if they followed any actual policy. We can point fingers at anyone but the blame is on AB who is a jack ass and is trying to save his own ass.
He's guilty first off. Second person to blame is the typical Chipotle working IT, is that a girl or boy, hard to tell, she looks like a clown. She should have checked all the weapons after their little live fire shooting event they held. She didn't do her job. That's way secondary to AB just grabbing a gun, checking to see if it's loaded or not.
He's a piece of work
He's guilty first off. Second person to blame is the typical Chipotle working IT, is that a girl or boy, hard to tell, she looks like a clown. She should have checked all the weapons after their little live fire shooting event they held. She didn't do her job. That's way secondary to AB just grabbing a gun, checking to see if it's loaded or not.
He's a piece of work
The error chain is pretty long in this one. AB represents several links though. From his roll in the production to the his roll in pulling the trigger. The fact she accepted the job that should have never been, shows she was incompetent or negligent.
When I was training for Vietnam, we used blank adapters but none of this fancy electronic stuff. We also did a lot of live fire.
One of the drills using live fire was “Fire and Movement.” I was the inside man of the squad that moved first. They put the company dud on the right side (that covered the left which moved first) and told him that under no circumstances was he to have a round in or around his rifle.
He missed me.
Guess that was the luck of his being a dud. He was one of the National guardsman training with our company Infantry AIT. A terrible shot for sure.
Funny end of the story. (If you consider this funny, in reality I don’t.). Remember, he was not supposed to have any rounds. At the end of each drill, we reported to the range officer, showing our rifles with the bolt open, no magazine and reported that we did not have any brass or ammo. He put the muzzle of his M-16 into the range officers face with a full magazine in the rifle, a round still in the chamber and the rifle set on full automatic.
Guess that was one day I was lucky to ahve survived to go to VietNam to survive again.
AB pulled should be held responsible for shooting 2 people and killing one.
In addition - this so called armorer should also be held accountable for her actions. She is responsible for making sure everything on set is safe. There never should have been live ammo on set, she should have double checked everything before handing that firearm to AB.
AB did what he was directed to do. he pointed the gun at the camera and pulled the trigger. So, on one hand I can see why he's trying to deflect, but just because it was an accident doesn't remove him from what he did.
Accidentally killing someone is still something that he needs to face the consequences for.
In addition - this so called armorer should also be held accountable for her actions. She is responsible for making sure everything on set is safe. There never should have been live ammo on set, she should have double checked everything before handing that firearm to AB.
AB did what he was directed to do. he pointed the gun at the camera and pulled the trigger. So, on one hand I can see why he's trying to deflect, but just because it was an accident doesn't remove him from what he did.
Accidentally killing someone is still something that he needs to face the consequences for.
Yea.. I almost wrote negligence too...
The armorer was very negligent.
I'm sure AB will argue that it was an accident. He'll say it was unexpected and unintentional, but we know that if he would have taken reasonable care to prevent this, then it wouldn't have happened.
An accident is commonly defined as “an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.” While negligence is “a failure to exercise the care toward others which a reasonable or prudent person would do in the circumstances, or taking action which such a reasonable person would not
Negligence is when someone fails to take reasonable care to prevent foreseeable accidents that could result in injury to someone else
The armorer was very negligent.
I'm sure AB will argue that it was an accident. He'll say it was unexpected and unintentional, but we know that if he would have taken reasonable care to prevent this, then it wouldn't have happened.
An accident is commonly defined as “an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury.” While negligence is “a failure to exercise the care toward others which a reasonable or prudent person would do in the circumstances, or taking action which such a reasonable person would not
Negligence is when someone fails to take reasonable care to prevent foreseeable accidents that could result in injury to someone else
To argue accident, AB would have to argue that a reasonable person could not have known that pointing a gun at someone and pulling trigger could cause injury. That's a hard sell. Especially, as it contradicts decades of gun control messaging...
The producer, AB, helped set the stage for the Actor, AB, to have a Negligent Discharge. So whether the actor or producer is to blame is a moot point. They both, same person, share responsibilities that were neglected.
There is also blame on the assistant producer and Armorer, who were handicapped by the producers, but who also make huge mistakes in their own right.
...and at what point are you liable for hiring an unqualified armorer?
If I pay cash to a guy do wiring and my house burns down as a result of his ineptitude, should I be on the hood for damages/injuries/deaths?
If I pay cash to a guy do wiring and my house burns down as a result of his ineptitude, should I be on the hood for damages/injuries/deaths?
Yes for all of us... but on a movie set, how many people have pointed a gun at someone and pulled the trigger and not caused injury? Hundreds? Thousands?
I think he should be held accountable for the death and the injury, but I'm sure this is the argument him and his legal team will make. And it will most likely go his way. And then he'll be a poster child for the gun control lobby and they'll use his story to push their agenda even further.
The more than comes out on this, the more I'm leaning towards someone inadvertently (not her, directly) fucked up, yet she should have double checked as ultimately it was her responsibility.
- It's been mentioned by multiple places that some of the firearms they used were either capable of firing live ammunition or they had real firearms on site that the actors/crew would go and shoot 'for fun' and practice.
- It was a B set movie. I'm sure it was way less secure and way more disorganized than usual.
- Armorer is relatively green.
- They had crew walk offs the day (I think?) before; or within the last few days, which probably caused all sorts of confusion and SOP changes
- Next to no one there knew shit about fuck about ammunition and firearms.
I'm betting that this caused a perfect storm that led to the round being in the gun. Crew/actors go do their usual 'lets shoot the gun in the desert' thing. Grab real ammo.
They bring it back and someone who doesn't know anything about ammunition and firearms puts it near/by/at where the prop guns are. Ammo ends up in the prop/blank ammo which was probably in a bit of disarray as it was.
Armorer chick misses it (or did she have anyone helping her?) and the round is there even though she/they had zero reason to believe a live round could be anywhere near that gun because they always kept everything separate.
- It's been mentioned by multiple places that some of the firearms they used were either capable of firing live ammunition or they had real firearms on site that the actors/crew would go and shoot 'for fun' and practice.
- It was a B set movie. I'm sure it was way less secure and way more disorganized than usual.
- Armorer is relatively green.
- They had crew walk offs the day (I think?) before; or within the last few days, which probably caused all sorts of confusion and SOP changes
- Next to no one there knew shit about fuck about ammunition and firearms.
I'm betting that this caused a perfect storm that led to the round being in the gun. Crew/actors go do their usual 'lets shoot the gun in the desert' thing. Grab real ammo.
They bring it back and someone who doesn't know anything about ammunition and firearms puts it near/by/at where the prop guns are. Ammo ends up in the prop/blank ammo which was probably in a bit of disarray as it was.
Armorer chick misses it (or did she have anyone helping her?) and the round is there even though she/they had zero reason to believe a live round could be anywhere near that gun because they always kept everything separate.
Make's sense but it's still Baldwin's responsibility for the four rules. He fucked up and needs to pay for it.
Check this out - top Self Defense attorney rips apart AB's interview with the sheriff just after the shooting. Basically confesses - after getting Mirandized - to meeting all the NM standards for a negligent shooting. How this interview itself is not enough to convict, let alone indict, is beyond words. "The Hunt for Red Manslaughter: Alec Baldwin's Damning Police Interview"
I figured out the ideal judgement and punishment for AB.
So AB claims the gun went off by itself. He never pulled the trigger.
How bout we put him in a cell with a blank round in the actual gun used. He is free to walk when he can get the gun to fire on its own. Until then, he stays put.
So AB claims the gun went off by itself. He never pulled the trigger.
How bout we put him in a cell with a blank round in the actual gun used. He is free to walk when he can get the gun to fire on its own. Until then, he stays put.
It’s Hollywood, experience and skill are like a distant 10th to
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Who your friends are
How many followers your social media has.
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Who your friends are
How many followers your social media has.
Was she on the set when this happened? Some say she wasn't and some say she was.
If she wasn't on the set all of the weapons should have been locked up and no one else should have access to them. The stories of people taking them out to shoot live ammo? What is the truth on that bullshit? There's about as much fake news in this situation as coming from Ukraine.
If she wasn't on the set all of the weapons should have been locked up and no one else should have access to them. The stories of people taking them out to shoot live ammo? What is the truth on that bullshit? There's about as much fake news in this situation as coming from Ukraine.
