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you want more people to join the army..how about you stop treating vets like shit when they get out......put the money you spent in "bonuses" into fixing the VA....
Start promoting patriotism and pride for your country, so that people want to serve....and those that dont serve actually APPRECIATE those that do.
hell, i would even support a program where enlisted men go through schooling in the service, so by the time they discharge, they also leave with an Associates or Bachelors degree.....make the military a more enticing opportunity than College.
you dont lower your standards to let drug users and miscreants in.
Start promoting patriotism and pride for your country, so that people want to serve....and those that dont serve actually APPRECIATE those that do.
hell, i would even support a program where enlisted men go through schooling in the service, so by the time they discharge, they also leave with an Associates or Bachelors degree.....make the military a more enticing opportunity than College.
you dont lower your standards to let drug users and miscreants in.
Was not in V/N, Laos an Cambodia was my garden spots. I was stupid enough to hold up my hand so no bonus. Pay worked out to just over 20 cents per hr (146.00 per month)
I am okay with the waivers, too many people getting busted for non violent or stealing crimes in our country over the last 2 decades, the “justice” beast has fed too much and has made too many things a crime and prosecuted too many people and not enough of the right people.
We did get free cigs every meal, paid to sleep, an got to blow shit up.Adjusted for inflation?
I have known quite a few folks that were told "join the military or go to jail". Many of them turned out to be lifers. All they needed was discipline and direction. Imagine that.
However, some of the things they are issuing waivers for now are a bit extreme, fi you read the story, the Army refused to release their waiver numbers. They have been taking some BAD folks in.
Not a lifer but was given that choice as well. I have no issue with wavers depending the reason but drugs an such, tells me that person needs a out when they can't handle something.
As many of you probably remember, I was a USMC recruiter from '03-'06, the heaviest years of the most recent wars and combined with an economy boon at the same time, so I know a thing or fifty on writing waivers.
Like the article said, the vast majority of moral waivers were for minimal pot use or small infractions, which were typically a lot of traffic tickets on lead footed teenagers. I wrote a few felony waivers as well, including a pair of brothers who stole a mini-bike and went joy riding on it in their middle teen years and a 20-something that skimmed the cash drawer at the 7-11 he worked at a few years prior to grand theft levels. What doesn't get considered are repeat offenders, hard drug usage (even at "experimental" levels), or serious moral crimes. Gang membership is also an absolute disqualifying factor, as is any dealing of drugs. In other words, it's the shithead teen who got caught offenses that got waivered. Any serious moral waivers don't qualify for a security clearance, so it's shoot/drive/cook/kick boxes MOS options for those types.
When you look at the worse of the waiver types, I'll take a mild shithead over a fat ass any day of the week. Ran one "childhood asthma" waiver on my first contract I wrote, he DOR'd in boot camp like a bitch blaming his asthma, and I never wrote another one again. The worst condition that requires no waiver at all is afluenza, because if mommy and daddy has dough, they never ship to boot camp.
As for the "Join the Marines or go to jail" stuff, that is non-existent. A recruiter will get their ass handed to them if they're caught anywhere near a court room, and all charges/sentences must be fully completed before one single bit of paperwork can be done. I had a few that came in the office trying that bit, they left with nothing more than a 1-800-MARINES pamphlet and told to come back when they were free of the judicial system. Not a one returned.
The biggest issue I see with it all is there are FAR too many service members that have zero to do with the destruction of the enemy or the direct support of those who do. There are tens of thousands of positions on active duty that should be done by contractors or DOD civilians because there is no need for them to have all the other training and medical requirements, as they will never deploy to a hostile region, never run further than on a pizza run, and should be fireable at all times unlike an active duty service member.
Like the article said, the vast majority of moral waivers were for minimal pot use or small infractions, which were typically a lot of traffic tickets on lead footed teenagers. I wrote a few felony waivers as well, including a pair of brothers who stole a mini-bike and went joy riding on it in their middle teen years and a 20-something that skimmed the cash drawer at the 7-11 he worked at a few years prior to grand theft levels. What doesn't get considered are repeat offenders, hard drug usage (even at "experimental" levels), or serious moral crimes. Gang membership is also an absolute disqualifying factor, as is any dealing of drugs. In other words, it's the shithead teen who got caught offenses that got waivered. Any serious moral waivers don't qualify for a security clearance, so it's shoot/drive/cook/kick boxes MOS options for those types.
When you look at the worse of the waiver types, I'll take a mild shithead over a fat ass any day of the week. Ran one "childhood asthma" waiver on my first contract I wrote, he DOR'd in boot camp like a bitch blaming his asthma, and I never wrote another one again. The worst condition that requires no waiver at all is afluenza, because if mommy and daddy has dough, they never ship to boot camp.
As for the "Join the Marines or go to jail" stuff, that is non-existent. A recruiter will get their ass handed to them if they're caught anywhere near a court room, and all charges/sentences must be fully completed before one single bit of paperwork can be done. I had a few that came in the office trying that bit, they left with nothing more than a 1-800-MARINES pamphlet and told to come back when they were free of the judicial system. Not a one returned.
The biggest issue I see with it all is there are FAR too many service members that have zero to do with the destruction of the enemy or the direct support of those who do. There are tens of thousands of positions on active duty that should be done by contractors or DOD civilians because there is no need for them to have all the other training and medical requirements, as they will never deploy to a hostile region, never run further than on a pizza run, and should be fireable at all times unlike an active duty service member.
Might be now, but in the 60's/70's that was not the case. Many a judge an some LEO's suggested it to many, having run in's with the law over small issues that if not stopped would have lead to worst problems.
ABOUT GODDAMN TIME! Maybe I won't have to fight for France after all. Thanks for posting GF, I'm headin to the recruiter tomorrow to see if I can slide up in there.
Waivers for vets and disabled vets is what they need to do, guys that know the bullshit but can't be doorkickers anymore. You don't need to even do PT to do some of the jobs. Like all the desk jobs. No reason vets can't do that and I bet a lot of them would jump at some kind of program like that.
All you have to do is pass the piss test at the recruiter before going to MEPS, I don't understand why you'd need a waiver at all. Am I missing something?
And why is LSD such a big deal when you join? It says on the form if you used it even one time, you couldn't sign up. Cocaine and heroin you just had to wait a year.
They're probably gonna have a problem filling up some ranks with this coming generation. Holy shit.
All you have to do is pass the piss test at the recruiter before going to MEPS, I don't understand why you'd need a waiver at all. Am I missing something?
And why is LSD such a big deal when you join? It says on the form if you used it even one time, you couldn't sign up. Cocaine and heroin you just had to wait a year.
They're probably gonna have a problem filling up some ranks with this coming generation. Holy shit.
Edit disregard post apparently my public schooling is bs lol
^ iirc, lsd gets stored in your fat cells and can come out at anytime.
^ iirc, lsd gets stored in your fat cells and can come out at anytime.
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Yeah, that's definitely a development following the end of the draft once we went to an all volunteer military force. We as recruiters were strictly prohibited from getting involved in any court case.
I had one guy who was concluding his probation for a DUI, his lawyer had stated to the judge he was entering the Marine Corps, typical lawyer tactics and all, and the judge put that into the record on him being discharged from probation. Once I submitted the paperwork for the waiver to my command, they immediately opened an investigation on me for it. I of course had zero to do with it, but they damn sure tried to burn my ass over it.
Even me being a boy scout on recruiting and never frauding anyone in (while also being marginally successful as a result), I still had four or five investigations for recruiting fraud done on me, mostly because a kid lied to me and hid some shit but cracked once they got to Parris Island and refused to accept blame, thinking (and being steered by the interviewer as well) that if they blame the recruiter that they won't get in any trouble for being a lying piece of shit. At the same time, those recruiters who did commit rampant fraud were the Recruiter of the Year award recipients and had every allegation against them swept under the rug. It was the closest to organized crime I ever saw, even a recruiter who was involved in a fake green card scheme walked with no charges even after the FBI busted him. No bullshit.
Recruiting was the worst three years of my life and is entirely the reason left at 14 years instead of retiring once they told me I was involuntarily extended for another year on the streets instead of getting back to the war where I belonged, and took just shy a decade in a war zone working on the civilian side for me to mentally recover from it. Most crooked place inside DoD, bar none.
Most of those given the choice back then (self included) never had to get a waver of anykind, our enlistment was std RA paperwork. Those with jackets were a different story. Had many HS friends who were drafted then given the boot, before going to boot. That kind of stuff like a GD, DD, or section 8 follows for life. Glad I went as it was good for me very quickly, an in the long run. Otherwise I'm sure at some point I would have been hanging on the post office wall or sporting a toe tag at a very young age.
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Your Army
Calling all retirees: The Army is looking for recruiters and instructors to go back on active duty
...Specifically, the service is looking for 150 retired staff sergeants and sergeants first class, who have either been recruiters or instructors, to come back on active duty.
...Officers, meanwhile, are needed to serve as ROTC professors, or small group leaders at basic officer leader courses and captains career courses. Some warrants and officers could also return as instructor pilots.
I volunteered for this last month. Must be under 60, non-waiverable.
Calling all retirees: The Army is looking for recruiters and instructors to go back on active duty
...Specifically, the service is looking for 150 retired staff sergeants and sergeants first class, who have either been recruiters or instructors, to come back on active duty.
...Officers, meanwhile, are needed to serve as ROTC professors, or small group leaders at basic officer leader courses and captains career courses. Some warrants and officers could also return as instructor pilots.
I volunteered for this last month. Must be under 60, non-waiverable.
The article isn't so much bullshit as reversing some trends. Back when I went in pot wasn't allowed, but you weren't vilified for it if you didn't smoke it while you were in. Minor criminal issues were common.
It also sort of suggests, that the bonuses are going to all, while in fact they are going to specific MOS's for retention, while minor bonuses are going to new recruits for hard to fill MOS slots. The crux is, if you have a criminal background you ain't going into any of the high dollar bonus fields.
when I got out, I was offered 12K to stay infantry and 22k to go 31V (commo). And during those years, they were looking for anything to boot people. DUI's were "forgivable" in '81. In 1985, they would get you kicked out of the Army. Underage drinking was a non issue in '81. That would get you kicked out in '85. Any kind of "hooliganism" was a reason to burn someone. One guy got an article 15 for not wearing hemmed shorts in public. The Colonels wife thought we should all look like little preppy boys. Needless to say that guy didn't last long in the Rangers and not because he wasn't a good one.
So, it will completely not be a surprise when all the people who come in during this "need" are going to get rifted one way or another when the political winds change again in this country.
It also sort of suggests, that the bonuses are going to all, while in fact they are going to specific MOS's for retention, while minor bonuses are going to new recruits for hard to fill MOS slots. The crux is, if you have a criminal background you ain't going into any of the high dollar bonus fields.
when I got out, I was offered 12K to stay infantry and 22k to go 31V (commo). And during those years, they were looking for anything to boot people. DUI's were "forgivable" in '81. In 1985, they would get you kicked out of the Army. Underage drinking was a non issue in '81. That would get you kicked out in '85. Any kind of "hooliganism" was a reason to burn someone. One guy got an article 15 for not wearing hemmed shorts in public. The Colonels wife thought we should all look like little preppy boys. Needless to say that guy didn't last long in the Rangers and not because he wasn't a good one.
So, it will completely not be a surprise when all the people who come in during this "need" are going to get rifted one way or another when the political winds change again in this country.
