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Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

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This is my first post, so please let me know if I went about this wrong...

I have been lurking around the forum for months while I have been deployed. I decided I would buy myself a .308 bolt action as a welcome home gift.

I have decided that my first choice will be a Tikka Scout .308 if I can find it and a 700 5R with 20" threaded barrel if I can't.

I have to say that I almost went with the FN SPR A2 on sale right now, but I can't justify spending $2000 to get all set up.

I chose the Tikka based on the accuracy reports and reports on the smoothness of the action.

The only problem is that I can't seem to find a Tikka Scout in .308 anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued. I really want the heavy barrel from the Scout. Anyone advice on where I should look besides GB?

If not, I guess I will have to go with the 5R
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... Rich people problems...
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#2
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Both are good rifles and both have their pros and cons. Remington's quality can be hit or miss and the Tikka has virtually no aftermarket support and comes with a cheesy feeling stock even though it does function well. There was a Scout in 308 on the EE on arfcom a week or so ago for $650 shipped so you may want to look into that.

The FN SPR is the best option and really doesn't cost much more than the 5R and is a absolute bargain for what you get. There's a vendor on here in the commercial section currently selling SPR A2's for $1500 and that includes a bedding job which in itself is over $200. What you get on that rifle is a steal, a better barreled action than the 5R with a 1MOA accuracy guarantee, and a McMillan stock which blows away the HS that comes on the 5R. The 5R is a $300 stock compared to a $700 McMillan with a $200 bedding job. Personally I'd go with the SPR but thats just me.
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

The Tikka will out shoot both, hands down, right out of the box!!(JMHO) You can get plenty of support for the tikka if you want, just do a search!


Diego
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diego-ted</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The Tikka will out shoot both, hands down, right out of the box!!(JMHO) You can get plenty of support for the tikka if you want, just do a search!


Diego </div></div>

Not true on either account. They are all so close in typical performance you can't call it. All three of the mentioned rifles will shoot 1/2MOA out of most of the samples. I've seen just as many Remingtons and Tikka's that didn't shoot well as I have those that did. The SPR has much more consistent performance, if it doesn't shoot 1/2MOA it was a really bad day at the factory and probably only that rifle.

As far as the aftermarket support... exactly just do a search. There's 10-20X the aftermarket support for the Remington as their is the Tikka, and probably 10X as much for the FN too. Does anybody even make a aftermarket magazine system or trigger for the Tikka? I know theres a few people who inlet stocks but nowhere near the amount that inlet stocks for the remmy and FN. Also probably less than 20% of smiths will work on Tikka's so there's another problem you face when changing parts on one, I don't know a single smith that won't screw a barrel on a 700 or bed the stock.
 
#5
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

You can replace barrels, stocks, etc, but there isn't a whole lot you can do to make the action better. That's where the Tikka excels. Remington actions feel like crap compared to a Tikka. I'd keep looking for the Tikka you want. I also think the factory stock on a Tikka is much better than a synthetic Remington stock. It is stiff enough to use with a bipod. I guess I just like my Tikka. I'm building another one up as we speak. Remingtons just don't do it for me.
 
#6
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

tikka > rem
just a fact

the tikka action feels like a custom rem action...and the accuracy stock is right there beside a custom rem.

but, don't discount savage, as well! the floating bolt face makes them very very accurate right out of the box, and they're generally the cheaper of the 3!

i can't speak on the fn, but i must admit...if the spr package was also in .223, there'd be one sitting here....or, actually..in just about any caliber OTHER than .308
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anybody even make a aftermarket magazine system or trigger for the Tikka? I know theres a few people who inlet stocks but nowhere near the amount that inlet stocks for the remmy and FN. Also probably less than 20% of smiths will work on Tikka's so there's another problem you face when changing parts on one, I don't know a single smith that won't screw a barrel on a 700 or bed the stock. </div></div>

The reason Remington has 10-20x the aftermarket support, is that there are 20+ different companies making each one of the many pieces, and when you look at how many parts the Rem 70 has, it adds up real quick. I have heard so many people talk about there is no aftermarket support for the Tikkas, and they are full of shit. Just to list a few examples:

Trigger: Factory is better than any stock Rem 700 trigger, Jard,
Stocks: Roedale, McMillan, Manners, Robertson, Wild Dog
Rails: EGW, Beretta,
Bottom Metal: CDI, Alutek, Roedale
Chassis: KGW, XLR
Bolt Handles/Shrouds: Alutex, Roedale, HSS

Even though this list doesn't have as amny as the Rem 700, there is still plenty of resources for parts for the Tikkas.
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: ddavis</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You can replace barrels, stocks, etc, but there isn't a whole lot you can do to make the action better. That's where the Tikka excels. Remington actions feel like crap compared to a Tikka. I'd keep looking for the Tikka you want. I also think the factory stock on a Tikka is much better than a synthetic Remington stock. It is stiff enough to use with a bipod. I guess I just like my Tikka. I'm building another one up as we speak. Remingtons just don't do it for me. </div></div>

Tikka action feels a lot better than the remmy, no getting around that. It also has a 60 degree bolt throw compared to remington's 90 degree which is also better.

The synthetic stocks that come on the base remingtons are junk, no getting around that either. However the stock that comes on the 700P's, 5R's, LTR's, and a few others make the tikka stocks look like poop. If you get one with a crappy stock for $200 you can get a good takeoff stock or a B&C which will put the tikka to shame. I like tikka's too and there's pro's and con's to both. No reason to be biased here just because its what you shoot, don't get an emotional attachment to your gear, it is what it is.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: GSRswapandslow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">tikka > rem
just a fact

the tikka action feels like a custom rem action...and the accuracy stock is right there beside a custom rem.

but, don't discount savage, as well! the floating bolt face makes them very very accurate right out of the box, and they're generally the cheaper of the 3!

i can't speak on the fn, but i must admit...if the spr package was also in .223, there'd be one sitting here....or, actually..in just about any caliber OTHER than .308 </div></div>

A fact based off what? All of Tikka's military and police use? All of it's competition use? NOPE.

Accuracy is right there with what custom remington? The ones guaranteed to shoot 1/2MOA? Guess what, most 5R's shoot 1/2MOA aswell and so does most SPR's. Does your typical run of the mill SPS or police model shoot 1/2MOA, most of the time no, but there's plenty that shoot 1/2MOA and even better. I've had a number of 5R's (feel free to go back in my posts and see how many I've sold here) and they all shot 1/2MOA with a couple shooting less, and one a solid 1/4MOA rifle. Most Tikka's even the sporter barrel models will do 1/2MOA or close to it, they're very good shooters just like 5R's, and SPR's. Just last year though I dropped a T3 in 243 off at Beretta in MD that wouldn't group below 3MOA with anything I tried. Everybody makes rifles that do and don't shoot and they do so in every model aswell, it's a luck of the draw. Saying one rifle brand is more accurate than another rifle brand is as stupid as thinking your the biggest badass out there. No matter how bad you are there's somebody badder. No matter how good you tikka shoots you can find a remington that will outshoot that, then find a SPR that will outshoot that remmy, then probably another tikka that will outshoot them all, then another remmy that outshoots them all. See where I'm going with this? You absolutely cannot say for certain that a tikka is more accurate than remington. Both makes very accurate rifles. Is Tikka more consistent in putting out rifles that shoot good, I would say so. Remington has had some problems lately. I've still yet to see a 5R that wouldn't shoot as good as anything I've seen from Tikka though.
 
#9
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Does anybody even make a aftermarket magazine system or trigger for the Tikka? I know theres a few people who inlet stocks but nowhere near the amount that inlet stocks for the remmy and FN. Also probably less than 20% of smiths will work on Tikka's so there's another problem you face when changing parts on one, I don't know a single smith that won't screw a barrel on a 700 or bed the stock. </div></div>

The reason Remington has 10-20x the aftermarket support, is that there are 20+ different companies making each one of the many pieces, and when you look at how many parts the Rem 70 has, it adds up real quick. I have heard so many people talk about there is no aftermarket support for the Tikkas, and they are full of shit. Just to list a few examples:

Trigger: Factory is better than any stock Rem 700 trigger, Jard,
Stocks: Roedale, McMillan, Manners, Robertson, Wild Dog
Rails: EGW, Beretta,
Bottom Metal: CDI, Alutek, Roedale
Chassis: KGW, XLR
Bolt Handles/Shrouds: Alutex, Roedale, HSS

Even though this list doesn't have as amny as the Rem 700, there is still plenty of resources for parts for the Tikkas. </div></div>

The companies aren't making the same product. Look at the stocks for example besides McMillan and Manners none of the other stocks available for each are even similar. B&C and HS are kinda close too. But what about AI, what about the tube chassis, what about all the other modular chassis? There's no denying there's a crap ton more parts for remington and if you think they're different companies making the same thing your fooling yourself. Each product is different and each one is held to a different quality standard and theres also many price points. You can buy a quality stock for a remington for as low as $200 or as much as $2000.

Can you buy good parts for Tikka? You bet. But when you have a much broader selection of aftermarket parts you can get exactly what YOU like, not what a select handful of companies say you will like.

As far as trigger, yep the stock remington xmark triggers blow. Even the old style as they come the Tikka is superior too. The old style with a smith job is right up there with tikka though. For aftermarket a Timney or Huber will make that tikka trigger look like a polished turd.

I'm not defending or hating on either brand, they both make great rifles and you couldn't go wrong with either. I'm just stating the facts.
 
#10
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I like Tikka and have been looking at a build on their varmint platform in .308. Manners and McMillan for stocks, and look at KRG and XLR for chasis systems. Roedale as well.
 
#11
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Redneckbmxer24.. yeah no shit every company makes the parts "alittle" different. Otherwise our courts would be filled with a ton of guys bitching about someone else stole my design.. But that doesn't change the fact that Remington 700 is one of the most popular actions, so yes it will have a ton of different maufacturers making parts for them.

Just because a Remmy has more options doesn't automatically make it a better platform then te Tikka... It just may be that the Tikka quality doesn;t need to be replaced, so not many people put the effort into fixing something that is a damn fine product...
 
#14
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I can't speak for the Tikka as I have never owned one but I am very impressed with my 5r. It did exactly what people stated it could do by holding a 1/2" group, sometimes even better.

That said I don't love the stock and I hate the trigger. The Tikka sounds like it might be just as accurate from what others have said, so I would choose whichever rifles fits you better. If you can play with them at your local dealer, I would suggest doing so and see if they mind your trying them both in several positions dry firing both several times.

Thats the best advice I can give.

Good luck with your decision.
 
#16
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Thanks for all of your opinions guys, you are obviously very passionate about your rifles. I am sure I can't go wrong either way.

I really appreciate the write ups provided by KRG. I have been to their website, but I never saw the write ups.

The Tikka is my first choice, I just haven't had any luck finding one. My LGS is looking and their price is good, so I don't mind spending the extra money on tax to support the local guys.

If they can't get me one, or I can't find one within a month, then I am going to get the 5r or the SPR. I am deployed so often these days that I can't really wait around for someone to find me a rifle, otherwise I would never get a chance to shoot it.

Once again, thanks for all of your help.
 
#18
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

There is much less aftermarket parts for Tikka than for Remington as the need for it is much less.
But there is certainly sufficient parts for the tikka, don't know of anything really that is missed. And honestly how many manufacturers bottommetal can you use at the same time?
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When it comes to mags, there is more than one manufacturer who makes bottommetal for AICS mags.

One of the key factors for the high accuracy on the Tikka it's likely the extremely sturdy action. And even though the Sako 85 uses the same barrels as Tikka does, and the actions are made in the same factory in the same machines still does the Tikka shoot better.
To me it's easy, Remtington is an action from the 40th, with round plain top to be used with open sights. Tikka is a modern accurate action with its own built in rail that is far sturdyer than any screw on picatinny.

To me, the Tikka is the worlds most accurate out of the box rifle.
Here are some groups shot with my Tikka in 6,5 with orignal barrel!

Håkan
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
Just because a Remmy has more options doesn't automatically make it a better platform then te Tikka... It just may be that the Tikka quality doesn;t need to be replaced, so not many people put the effort into fixing something that is a damn fine product... </div></div>

I never said the Remington was a better platform, so don't put words in my mouth. Learn to read too, I said they are both very good platforms and you couldn't go wrong with either. Your the one thats being a brand loyalist swinging on Tikka's nuts because its what you shoot. Do you even have any experience with the 5R or SPR? I do, and I also have owned many Tikka's. I'm speaking from experience and not being biased.

I'm merely stating FACTS about the pros and cons of each rifle, and whether you want to believe it your prized Tikka does have cons too, it's not the end all be all rifle. Remington has it's cons aswell. It's up to the end user to look at those pros and cons and decide which is best for THEM, so don't get butthurt because I stated facts about the cons to Tikka. There's no need for that.

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Spuhr</div><div class="ubbcode-body">

To me, the Tikka is the worlds most accurate out of the box rifle.


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How can you say that? Have you examined many samples of every brand?

You simply can't say a Tikka is by far a more accurate out of the box rifle. Consistently do they build more accurate rifles than some other companies? Sure, but I've personally seen samples of Remington, Savage, Winchester, and even Ruger that shoot tighter groups than those you posted. What about AI? They're an out of the box rifle, my AE would consistently put 5 rounds through one hole that makes your groups look big.

Once again I'm not saying Tikka doesn't make some extremely accurate rifles, what they do with sporter barrels is astonishing. Wht I'm saying is that saying it's definitely the most accurate out of the box rifle is pure nonsense.
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Yep, that was wrong said, it should be :
To me is it the worlds most accurate out of the box standard/hunting rifles.

In that comparision I don't count the specialy guns like AI etc that plays in a different legue when it comes to use and invenstment.
But for it's class I do deffinitely see the Tikka as the most accurate, and that is based on the consistency I have seen on lots of tikkas over the years here.

Håkan
 
#21
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I agree with you on that part to an extent. For factory sporter barrels I've yet to see any current from the big 3 that will shoot as well as your typical out of the box Tikka. Even if they're dropped in a good stock and bedded the best sample I've seen did about 3/4MOA with closer to MOA or just barely sub MOA being the norm. In the crappy factory stock more like a 1.5-2MOA rifle. Factory Sako's sporters shoot just as good but it's similar to Tikka and 2-3X the price.

That said I have an old 700 BDL 222 and my uncle has a old ADL 243 both in non free floated wood stocks that will shoot consistent 3/8MOA or better. They don't build them like they used to though, not remington anyway. The new hunting rifles and SPS's it seems they just want to crank out as fast as possible. The police line and 5R's seem to be held to a higher quality standard because I've seen much more consistent performance out of them aswell as less problems like bad crowns, headspace, misaligned optic mount holes, and other general quality control issues associated with the low end and hunting rifles. Does a fluke Police line or 5R slip by from time to time? Of course, but every other company has these flukes including Tikka.
 
#22
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tankerguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If they can't get me one, or I can't find one within a month, then I am going to get the 5r or the SPR. I am deployed so often these days that I can't really wait around for someone to find me a rifle, otherwise I would never get a chance to shoot it.

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I looked back in the EE on arfcom and couldn't find the one that was on there a week or so ago. Not sure if they changed the posting title or deleted it.

Have you tried Euro Optic? I know they had them not that long ago.
 
#23
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I own a Tikka T3 Varmint .223 in a KRG Whiskey chassis and it's an absolutely amazing shooter. I have owned a bunch of Rem 700's and out of the box my Tikka outshoots them. This has been my own personal experience, opinions may vary. My Tikka feels like a mini Sako TRG and I love that! The bolt is buttery smooth too.
 
#24
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I have shot against many 5rs and have shot a few. They were good shooters but not as good as my Tikka, The 5rs are top loaders not a great feature for me. The action on the R was sloppy and gritty,my Tikka smooth as butter. So as far as MY experiance has gone, Tikka was the best out of the box and did not need any aftermarket parts! Well I did put a big bolt handle and metal shroud.

Diego
 
#25
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diego-ted</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I have shot against many 5rs and have shot a few. They were good shooters but not as good as my Tikka, The 5rs are top loaders not a great feature for me. The action on the R was sloppy and gritty,my Tikka smooth as butter. So as far as MY experiance has gone, Tikka was the best out of the box and did not need any aftermarket parts! Well I did put a big bolt handle and metal shroud.

Diego </div></div>

Of course it couldn't have been because you were shooting a rifle you weren't use to shooting. There's no way you'll jump behind a rifle you don't have experience with and shoot it to its full potential unless your a damn good shooter. And unless your Tikka consistently shoots better than 3/8MOA then no it does not outshoot a 5R.

The magazine feature is nice but it's well worth the extra price for a magazine system for each that uses AI mags. The stock mag system on the tikka is one of its biggest downfalls, yeah it has a DBM system but their mags suck. I would take a drop floorplate bottom metal over a bottom metal that uses crappy mags any day of the week.

As far as the feel of the action, yes remingtons have more play compared to a tikka but a bolt on a 5R certainly doesn't feel gritty, it's jeweled for christ sake. This comment makes me question whether you have ever shot one and if your just saying you have. A SPS, Police, whatever on the other hand without a jeweled bolt will have a gritty feel. Did you shoot a regular 700 heavy barrel and assume its in the same league as a 5R?
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Its interesting to see that the Tikkas genereally have better accuracy than the Sako 75/85, despite the fact that the barrels are made to same tolerances in the same machines and the Sako 75/85 are a much more expensive gun.

My opinion is that the accuracy differance lies in the sturdy stiff action, and despite the terrible plastic orignal stocks, they still outshoots mostly guns on the market.

On common actions its knows that the bedding is very important for accuracy, and that is likely because the bedding stabilizes the action.

I belive that the normal standard toploaded remington action shoot very well when tuned the right way, but that is very much the bedding that is compensating for the action.

While the T3 action is a bottomloader with a small ejectionport and it has entierly different possibilitys for accuracy.

The above said does not cover all the custom made Remington look alikes as they are very much more well made and also are very much more stiff and sturdy.

But as I said before, the 700 is a 40th action supposed for open sights, and the T3 is a modern action intended for accuracy.

Håkan
 
#27
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I've only had one sample of a Sako and it was a Varmint model in 260 and it shot every bit as well as any of the Tikka's I've owned or used.

As far as one action vs. the others they both have their pro's and con's but accuracy isn't one of them. Accuracy has very very little to do with the action itself. Accuracy comes from the quality of the barrel and the quality of workmanship it gets. The action really has nothing to do with it. The difference in the action is action feel, bolt throw, and features. The features like 60 degree bolt throw and the extractor and bolt stop on Tikka are definitely one of its strong points and the 90 degree bolt throw, weak extractor, and less than great bolt release design on the R700 action are some of its weaknesses.

As I've said all along, all three of these rifles have there pros and con's, accuracy simple isn't one of them and if you believe otherwise your a fool. If any of these rifles won't shoot 1/2 minute you got a bad rifle plain and simple and it's possible with either of the brands. I've owned several samples of 5R's and Tikka's and two SPR's and all of them except one shot 1/2 minute and that one was the tikka that shot 2-3MOA and it went back to beretta where they figured out it had a bad spot in the rifling. All of these rifles are 1/2 minute rifles, none is definitively more accurate than the other.
 
#29
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

These posts are very subjective. The Tikka seems to be the one you're truly after, but if you can't find one go with the Rem. Or better yet get both!! You said it yourself tankerguy "rich people problems"!
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#30
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never said the Remington was a better platform, so don't put words in my mouth. Learn to read too, I said they are both very good platforms and you couldn't go wrong with either.</div></div>

Please point me to where I said that you have stated Remington was a better platform?? The statement was directed at the OP, not you. Looks like you are the one who needs to read and not get defensive on something thats not directed towards you. But yet I'm the one putting words into others mouths???
 
#32
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

I don't really think you are in the position to call anyone a fool....
It's well know how important bedding is, and when it comes to Tikkas its interesting to see how extremely well they shoot despite not beeing bedded.
That is a pretty clear sign that the action of the Tikka is more ridgid and have a better accuracy potential than the others.
Also if we look at the custom crowd of the Remtington actions out there we see that they are going the same way, smaller ejection port, more metal in the action to make it stiffer.

So plainly, you are wrong.

Håkan

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've only had one sample of a Sako and it was a Varmint model in 260 and it shot every bit as well as any of the Tikka's I've owned or used.

As far as one action vs. the others they both have their pro's and con's but accuracy isn't one of them. Accuracy has very very little to do with the action itself. Accuracy comes from the quality of the barrel and the quality of workmanship it gets. The action really has nothing to do with it. The difference in the action is action feel, bolt throw, and features. The features like 60 degree bolt throw and the extractor and bolt stop on Tikka are definitely one of its strong points and the 90 degree bolt throw, weak extractor, and less than great bolt release design on the R700 action are some of its weaknesses.

As I've said all along, all three of these rifles have there pros and con's, accuracy simple isn't one of them and if you believe otherwise your a fool. If any of these rifles won't shoot 1/2 minute you got a bad rifle plain and simple and it's possible with either of the brands. I've owned several samples of 5R's and Tikka's and two SPR's and all of them except one shot 1/2 minute and that one was the tikka that shot 2-3MOA and it went back to beretta where they figured out it had a bad spot in the rifling. All of these rifles are 1/2 minute rifles, none is definitively more accurate than the other. </div></div>
 
#33
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

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As far as the feel of the action, yes remingtons have more play compared to a tikka but a bolt on a 5R certainly doesn't feel gritty, it's jeweled for christ sake. This comment makes me question whether you have ever shot one and if your just saying you have. A SPS, Police, whatever on the other hand without a jeweled bolt will have a gritty feel. Did you shoot a regular 700 heavy barrel and assume its in the same league as a 5R? [/quote]

Dude you must have a set of cast iron cajones to come on here and call me a lier! I have no reason to lie, it is what it is, and that was my experiance with the R5, maybe it was one in a mil maybe not. I think you have been drinking to much Remmy kool-aid and need to get on the wagon so you can see clearly agian. I am just saying out of the box with no mods Tikka is a better shooter and If it aint broke why fix it. You can cry about the mag system but I have yet to have it fail?
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#34
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: redneckbmxer24</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I never said the Remington was a better platform, so don't put words in my mouth. Learn to read too, I said they are both very good platforms and you couldn't go wrong with either.</div></div>

Please point me to where I said that you have stated Remington was a better platform?? The statement was directed at the OP, not you. Looks like you are the one who needs to read and not get defensive on something thats not directed towards you. But yet I'm the one putting words into others mouths??? </div></div>

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: StanwoodSpartan</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><span style="font-weight: bold">Redneckbmxer24..</span> yeah no shit every company makes the parts "alittle" different. Otherwise our courts would be filled with a ton of guys bitching about someone else stole my design.. But that doesn't change the fact that Remington 700 is one of the most popular actions, so yes it will have a ton of different maufacturers making parts for them.

<span style="font-weight: bold">Just because a Remmy has more options doesn't automatically make it a better platform then te Tikka</span>... It just may be that the Tikka quality doesn;t need to be replaced, so not many people put the effort into fixing something that is a damn fine product... </div></div>

You implied right there that I said the remington was a better platform because it has more afermarket parts. If you weren't implying that then please explain to me what e;se you could have meant.
 
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Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: diego-ted</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
I think you have been drinking to much Remmy kool-aid and need to get on the wagon so you can see clearly agian.
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Remington koolaid? Nah. If I'm going to drink koolaid it's going to be a lot better than remington or tikka.

I'm done with this thread. It's obvious I'm talking to a bunch of stubborn fanboys so I'll let you go back to what you do best. In an hour or so I'll be packing up my new TIKKA 7mm-08 and heading to my property to get ready for rifle season next weekend. But I'm sure I'll continue to know nothing about the rifles...
 
#36
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Redneck... you see where the break is between paragraphs? The first was directed at you, and the second wasn't.

(see this break...new thought)

If you read through all the threads out there about Remmy's being better, a main reason that keeps popping up is aftermarket support. So the second paragraph was angled at those who like to use that excuse. And like I said before, NOT DIRECTED AT JUST YOU (see that??), just because Remmy has more aftermarket parts available, doesn't make it a better platform. If your panties are still up in a bunch, feel free to PM me instead of cluttering up this thread with your claims.
 
#37
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: tankerguy</div><div class="ubbcode-body">This is my first post, so please let me know if I went about this wrong...

I have been lurking around the forum for months while I have been deployed. I decided I would buy myself a .308 bolt action as a welcome home gift.

I have decided that my first choice will be a Tikka Scout .308 if I can find it and a 700 5R with 20" threaded barrel if I can't.

I have to say that I almost went with the FN SPR A2 on sale right now, but I can't justify spending $2000 to get all set up.

I chose the Tikka based on the accuracy reports and reports on the smoothness of the action.

The only problem is that I can't seem to find a Tikka Scout in .308 anymore. I'm guessing they were discontinued. I really want the heavy barrel from the Scout. Anyone advice on where I should look besides GB?

If not, I guess I will have to go with the 5R
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I'm not some super duper gun expert but I have owned,fondled and shot most of the rifle actions out there both custom and stock.

For me Tikka T3 is at the top for a stock action and that's coming from a guy who's primary practical precision rifle is a built up R700.

I can't really say there's anything wrong with the 700. It does what it's supposed to for the most part. Actually lately I've been noticing some feeding issues with Rem 700 BDL top loaders at a match I've been going to. The round getting stuck so that the shooter has to drop all the rounds out of the bottom and start over. It's kinda funny to watch,LOL. One guy has learned if he raps the side of the stock real a hard the round repositions itself better for proper feeding.

Onto the Tikka. I like the Tikka T3 action because the bolt feels like it's riding on ball bearings. They feed a round smooth as can be. They come standard with SAKO extractors,can you believe that?,LOL
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I like SAKO extractors,even my 700 has one,cost me some $ for that mod. The triggers can be adjusted reasonably light and crisp on T3's and don't need a trigger job. Integral rail. Detachable magazine system. Smaller ejection opening means more metal to stiffen the action. Geez,if Tikka made a 10 round mag these rifles would be a great practical precision rifle right out of the box with no mods! If I were going to use a stock action for a build I'd use a Tikka T3 to build from. No second thoughts about it!

As far as accuracy is concerned I believe it's the luck of the draw for both. You could get a tack driver or 1 moa gun.

I think Tikka came out with a new line of rifles for 2012? Might be worth looking into otherwise have patience. You'll find a Scout somewhere.
 
#39
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

For anybody near a Sportsmans Warehouse, I just picked up a Tikka T3 Scout at my local SW for $800 -- no sales tax sale promo & $20 off coupon applied. Topped it with a NF NXS 2.5-10x32 I was going to sell.

On FN SPR comments above: pointless comparison cause they are different classes and uses. While I would compare my TRG-22 and Crusader to the SPR, pit the Tikka against the Savage 10 Carbine, Remington SPS Tac, FNH PBR/TSR.

For aftermarket support, it's available & growing:
- CDI makes bottom metal
- HSS makes bolt & shroud
- McMillan, KRG, HS & others make stocks

FWIW I've been looking for a compact, light-weight rifle I can lug in the field on a long day. Mods become impratical because even the CDI w/AICS mags will quickly turn it into a pig.
 
#40
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Tikka Actions are great. The scout is light (so that is up to you if it's an advantage or not). The trigger is great. CDI does bottom metal for AI magazines. Whiskey3 Chasis is pretty sweet too.

Rem 700.. not much to say that hasn't been said... it's the standard.

Out of the box the Tikka gives you a decent detachable mag system that can be upgraded down the line if you really need. The trigger is better than a factory 700. The 700 stock weights more than the Tikka, better for bench, not as good for carry. Good aftermarket stocks for both.
 
#43
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: calling4life</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Why on earth is the tikka sporter $1700?

You could buy a reg. T3 and throw it in an xlr for that price, manners, McMillan, seemed a bit excessive for an adj. Laminate stock. </div></div>

I don't know if this is fact, but someone led me to believe that the actions on a T3 Lite, Varmint, and Tactical might not be 100% identical. That might be a factor.

A definite factor is the barrel. This is what a dealer wrote to me "free floating match grade steel Cr-Mo construction". Apparently, the only two Tikka's with this barrel are the Tactical and the Sporter.
 
#44
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

Hey tankerguy, any luck with in-stock at SW? No tax sale ended Sunday.

Re: high price of Tikka Sporter: don't forget Tikka is Sako, who is notorious for expensive options.

Re: different actions: they are all the same long-action housing. However, the short-action calibers have different bolt stops that stop the bolt short. Otherwise, the only difference is finish: stainless vs blued vs phosphated.
 
#45
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

The Scout Rifle is proof that Jeff Cooper was not the visionary so many depict him to be. "A solution in search of a problem" was how he described double-action pistols. Jeff was The .45acp Master, but he blew it with the Scout rig.

Want a Really Good Rifle? Best value on the market is the FN-Herstal Patrol Bolt Rifle for under $800 new, or buy used and save a lot of money. The FN-H PBR uses the Win 70 CRF action and adds a precision chrome-lined barrel. Think maybe I'd have a gunsmith turn mine down to a lighter contour if contemplating a general purpose rifle, but since these guns also come with a Near Precision scope base, which is Better than anything Badger Ord ever made, the value is spectacular.

Figure you want to spend over $1500, then maybe you look at the FN-H SPR Special Police Rifle and choose what McMillan stock style you want? Barrel lengths run from 16-24" for the SPR and PBR, fluted option also available. If you want a magnum, get the .300wsm SPR and there is your 1000yd+ rifle.

Want versatility? The Win 70 is King of the Switchbarrel platforms. No recoil lug to pin, just have your gunsmith fit a different profile or chamber another round entirely and you're set to go.

The Sako TRG-42 is a more spendy solution to switchbarreling but you do get quite a bit more to work with. Still for the money, FN-H offers more than any other rifle going.

As far as Steyr-Mannlicher goes, I will never buy a rifle with a pressed-in barrel. I will not own a rifle I cannot gunsmith myself. Chrome-moly and stainless barrels will wear out much sooner than a chrome-lined bore, even if they'll last 5K rounds in an ordinary .308win. FN-Herstal offers the best options at any price if going to buy new and want a turnkey solution.

If wanting the finest lightweight all-around .308win rifle, I would go PBR, have the barrel contour turned down and send the barreled action to McMillan for an HTG Edge stock. Find one of the older Nightforce 2.5-10x 24mm scopes and call it a day. Maybe upgrade the magazine system to CDI with AI mags, but the barrel and the CRF action is your ticket to bulletproof solution.
 
#49
Re: Tikka Scout vs 700 5R

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bignada</div><div class="ubbcode-body">
If wanting the finest lightweight all-around .308win rifle, I would go PBR, have the barrel contour turned down and send the barreled action to McMillan for an HTG Edge stock. Find one of the older Nightforce 2.5-10x 24mm scopes and call it a day. Maybe upgrade the magazine system to CDI with AI mags, but the barrel and the CRF action is your ticket to bulletproof solution. </div></div>

Good suggestion! Just a personal caveat though -- I wouldn't get a PBR unless I intend to change stocks because the Hogue is a serious POS.

Also be wary there's a difference between a PBR (post-64, usually black stock) and PBR XP (pre-64, usually green stock) if looking at these.
 
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