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Trump is back…the “Now What” thread

None have been purchased, they said they want them. And even if sold, somebody has to eat the costs of re-configuring (even as far as engines).
they are in negotiations. Things have moved fast since your original post on this in the other thread. India and Malaysia. India has done this before.

You sure your dislike for Trump isn’t excluding you from seeing the ENTIRE picture? If they can get the planes now they have obviously done the ROI on changes to the planes vs delayed receipt of them in the future. Boeing and these companies will work together to make it happen and both sides will be OK.

There are other areas to be genuinely concerned about but this isn’t one of them.
 
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The FBI’s refusal follows a pattern of obfuscation. For years, the agency denied even possessing Seth Rich’s laptop—until Clevenger’s legal efforts forced the FBI to admit they had it all along. Yet, the agency still refuses to disclose any metadata from Seth Rich’s electronic devices.

Even more damning, Clevenger has already uncovered proof that the FBI improperly withheld pages from the CrowdStrike report related to the alleged 2016 DNC hack—an event that conveniently became a political weapon against President Donald Trump
 
if trump wasn't elected, there would be countless more of these criminals here, and nobody trying to catch them.

To be fair ,Trumps maximum pressure sanctions on Venezuela , fake Huan Guaido president that never won an election , outright theft of Venezuelan rafineries in US. That broke economy that was barely afloat ,was the catalyist that kicked off mass migration from Venezuela including all these gangbangers.

Similary on Iran Trump now basicaly wants a deal much like the one he blew up in his first term when Natanyahu fucked him over , lots of incoherent policies , beaking down shit then using duct tape fixes

On tariffs it looks like he will fold before they really hit hard on US economy
 
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they determine if laws are being broken

Judges and even juries are not infallible, this is why appeals exist.

Some judges act corruptly and some juries are compromised.

In this case, the constitution is being violated.
Exactly how is the constitution being violated.

The rest of the hyperbole in your post doesn't matter. Just get down to the facts.

I'm not saying you're entirely wrong. I just want to know if you can articulate it without me handing you the answer.
 
Judges and even juries are not infallible, this is why appeals exist.

They are humans, but the two have different tasks.

Some judges act corruptly and some juries are compromised.

As are politicians.

Exactly how is the constitution being violated.

The elections clause specifies that Congress, and the states individually and locally, have the authority to regulate elections.

The rest of the hyperbole in your post doesn't matter. Just get down to the facts.

Nothing I said was wrong.

I'm not saying you're entirely wrong. I just want to know if you can articulate it without me handing you the answer.

:rolleyes: Really. Don't bother.
Perhaps we should have congress appoint federal judges. Anything wrong with that?
 
The elections clause specifies that Congress, and the states individually and locally, have the authority to regulate elections.

Very good.

Still wrapped in a bunch of tangential emo butthurt bullshit but you finally got there.

The original question was, effectually, "why would Trump abide by a judges decision?" and you responded with some lame kindergarten level, booger throwing, passive aggressive bullshit without even attempting to answer the question.

I'm not at all saying you shouldn't throw boogers. Just saying make an effort to articulate some facts when you have them and maybe people wouldn't think you're a waste of skin. Booger coated facts are just as nutritious as sugar coated facts.

Seems like you're not really here to share knowledge or elevate the conversation.
 
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Very good.

Still wrapped in a bunch of tangential emo butthurt bullshit but you finally got there.

The original question was, effectually, "why would Trump abide by a judges decision?" and you responded with some lame kindergarten level, booger throwing, passive aggressive bullshit without even attempting to answer the question.

I'm not at all saying you shouldn't throw boogers. Just saying make an effort to articulate some facts when you have them and maybe people wouldn't think you're a waste of skin. Booger coated facts are just as nutritious as sugar coated facts.

Seems like you're not really here to share knowledge or elevate the conversation.
Sorry, I assume some level of knowledge of our political system, and should not have to explain every question. Obviously you do not read any posts but mine to come to the conclusions you have. Not even your own.

The question was:

"Why on earth would Trump abide by what a district court judge says? "

It seemed to not question this instance only, but in general. Which begs the question:

"So Trump does not need to obey any laws?"

See how that works? But thanks for making a lame attempt at speaking for others. I guess.
And not even answering the question. Actually, either one. :rolleyes:
 
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Why on earth would Trump abide by what a district court judge says? They have absolutely no authority over the executive branch and the President. I would continue on and ignore them completely.

So Trump does not need to obey any laws?

No they determine if laws are being broken. In this case, the constitution is being violated. So, Trump does not obey laws? Unless I missed the coronation, he was elected president, not ordained King. Congress and the states have the power to regulate elections. Not the president.
Your giggle emojis were the exact response expected. Thanks.
 

On Wednesday, The Gateway Pundit shared this article from JoeHoft.com about how an Obama Judge denied Nevada Judge Michele Fiore a new trial. Fiori was targeted because of her actions during the Bundy Ranch Standoff years ago.
 
Sorry, I assume some level of knowledge of our political system

In general it does not exist. Most people aren't even aware of the constitution or bill of rights beyond "we the peepuh", "I can say what I want", "muh guns" and "you can't make me".

Knowledge of the powers and limitations of the three branches? Watch some videos, there is a huge portion of the population that doesn't even understand there are three branches and think the are House, Senate and POTUS or States, Congress and POTUS are the branches.

Most fanatical "liberals" I meet believe the FED should have all the power to force the states to all be the same and POTUS should have the power to make treaties all by hisself ... but only when a liberal is in power. Most fanatical "conservatives" I meet believe the FED should have very little power because they seem to think all the states are the same already and the POTUS should have the power to do everything they *think* Trump is doing now ... but only when a "conservative" is in power.

No, a working knowledge of the political system is not pervasive in our society or even on gun forums.

It seemed to not question this instance only, but in general. Which begs the question:

"So Trump does not need to obey any laws?"

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

The context was most definitely "this instance" so choosing not address "this instance" in the answer is just lazy pigheadedness.

You could have provided some details about exactly which parts of Trump's EO the judge had an issue with and which parts she decided to let stand. But, no.

You didn't even attempt to provide any kind of any part of an answer at all. You just deflected. Selfish. Weak. Pathetic.

See how that works? But thanks for making a lame attempt at speaking for others. I guess.
And not even answering the question. Actually, either one. :rolleyes:

I wasn't speaking for anyone else. I was addressing you directly about your "answer". The original question about Trump dodging judges decisions was directed at you. I wouldn't presume to answer that on your behalf and deny you the privilege of demonstrating your superior mental prowess.

Do you mean your question about anything wrong with congress appointing judges? I took it as more deflection but if you really don't know and need me to answer it for you that's another clause in the constitution.

Other than the question you did not ask about Trump dodging judges decisions and the one about congress appointing judges you only recently asked a question about the functionality of your conversational tactics with regard to whether or not they work. They don't.

Was there another question?

ETA: I spotted another one about Trump obeying laws. Apologies for missing it, I assumed it was more deflection but in case it's actual ignorance I'll give it a go.

Trump does not obey laws?

Obviously not all the laws, I mean, who does.

And, in general, without disobedience laws don't get tested.

Parks, Mandela, Gandhi, Susan B Anthony, any number of revolutionists ... all chose not to follow laws and influenced change toward what we have today and generally consider "better" than before.

Do you honestly not understand how this works? That laws and even the constitution must be tested from time to time to facilitate change. Or is it just more deflection?

BTW, I heard the SAVE Act has passed the House which supposedly will require proof of citizenship to vote and maybe some other stuff.
 
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In general it does not exist. Most people aren't even aware of the constitution or bill of rights beyond "we the peepuh", "I can say what I want", "muh guns" and "you can't make me".

Knowledge of the powers and limitations of the three branches? Watch some videos, there is a huge portion of the population that doesn't even understand there are three branches and think the are House, Senate and POTUS or States, Congress and POTUS are the branches.

Most fanatical "liberals" I meet believe the FED should have all the power to force the states to all be the same and POTUS should have the power to make treaties all by hisself ... but only when a liberal is in power. Most fanatical "conservatives" I meet believe the FED should have very little power because they seem to think all the states are the same already and the POTUS should have the power to do everything they *think* Trump is doing now ... but only when a "conservative" is in power.

No, a working knowledge of the political system is not pervasive in our society or even on gun forums.

I give most people the benefit of me not knowing what they know and give them the opportunity to explain their statements.
On this forum, it might be a silly and unnecessary principle. Perhaps I should just sit back and enjoy the Cro-Magnon log-beating. You'll have to excuse me if I don't dance.
 
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So Trump does not need to obey any laws?
Here is the copy of the Constitution I carry with me. Can you point me to the part that He is violating? I hand this to people who say he is shredding the Constitution. So far no-one has shown me. I'll repeat what I said. District court judges have zero authority over the Executive branch & the President.
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Those gangsters are now defined as a terrorist organization, aka we are at war with them.

So I don't think any due process is afforded to them anymore.

I believe sadly it requires them to be treated as a prisoner of war.

Arguably if they are not surrendering we can just shoot them 3 times, 2 center mass and a controll, let them rot where they lie and be done with that one.

Did ms 13 get on that list also?

Shit since I'm at it.

If we are officially at war with several different groups, and should be more, then why do we not have a compleate military shutdown of our border. Same as any insurgent group from a communist government.

All of it.
 
Here is the copy of the Constitution I carry with me. Can you point me to the part that He is violating?
That was covered in previous posts with much angst and back and forth.

AZdong could have provided the answer in his very first response to you. Reasons for not doing so are sus.

If there's a different way to interpret the information below I'm open to hearing it.

Voting practices are delegated in the constitution to congress both fed/state. POTUS doesn't have the power to force proof of citizenship in elections.

Some states require proof of citizenship and some don't but currenlty there is a bill rattling through congress at the fed level to force it so it may be moot.

There are some things in the EO the judge let stand. Not necessarily because she agrees with them but because it was the wrong place and way to test them. Requiring valid mail in ballots to be before poll closing for one.

I like the idea of uniform election regulations and participation by citizens only but more power to the fed taints it.


Article I Legislative Branch​

  • Section 4 Congress​

    • Clause 1 Elections Clause
    • The Times, Places and Manner of holding Elections for Senators and Representatives, shall be prescribed in each State by the Legislature thereof; but the Congress may at any time by Law make or alter such Regulations, except as to the Places of chusing Senators.

 
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Here is the copy of the Constitution I carry with me. Can you point me to the part that He is violating? I hand this to people who say he is shredding the Constitution. So far no-one has shown me. I'll repeat what I said. District court judges have zero authority over the Executive branch & the President.
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The question was asked and answered.
And still no answer to my original question.
 
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Anyone else catch the word “norms”? Legal is not the same as norms.

I remain convinced that there are only two reasons we have all the laws we do: either people are doing immoral things that require legislation or others are trying to create competitive advantages for themselves by creating barriers for others. Both come down to poor character and moral bankruptcy.