Trump should pardon Snowden

[Baer45]

I read alot, when I say alot I mean alot,depending what I had for a schedule at work I could read 400 pages in a shift.

Two books that forever changed my thinking were
1- Unintended Consequences
2- J Edgar Hoover, this book was 1,400+ pages, took 15 years to write, had over 2,000 personal interviews.
Hell the citations In the back of the book was almost 60 pages long.

Hoover was a straight up gangster a reverse image of his public forum.
At first I thought the book was a work of fiction because All along I thought how did the American people ever let this happen?
It's been since 1974 ,when his rein of terror ended.
Do you think because he died someone didn't follow?

I thought about the above statement before.
The difference between Hoover and Comey's/ Stoyk is simple.
Hoover had POWER.
The other guys had nothing but wanted money and power,funny thing is they both got nothing but played,why?
Trust.
They acted like they were pure, Hoover he didn't care what you thought and would tell.you

I actually respect that aspect of Hoover.
Want to talk about racist,I'm surprised the Hoover building is still named or standing.

I am going to read that book. The agents I know who retired years ago thought differently of him to a man....it is always hard to judge the past without having a proper context of the times...I am open to looking at anything or one in a different light...the worse that can happen is I disagree...

 

[Bolo]

Since when is it the job of the whistleblower to determine the outcome? How is Snowden responsible for the apathy of the public or tyranny of the state? Proper channels?!? LOL Truly that’s a joke right?

He leaked documents, redacted to protect our countrymen, to a private publisher with a 100% track record of truth. He did it to protect the American people from the American (falsely so called) government. He did so to his considerable detriment even to the point of a likely and very ugly death. And hearing him called traitor and fool reminds me of Vietnam vets getting called baby killers. Makes my blood boil. No greater love has man than this, that he lay down his life for his friend. I won’t mock his sacrifice.

You know what your missing @Bolo ? You actually think these enemies from without differ from the enemies within. You’re still thinking in terms of independent nations, that’s really naive. In your MSM guided ignorance you condemn those that attempt to liberate you, and fight the enemies of your oppressors. Doubly doomed. How will you fail to find enslavement?

I think you have my intent a bit wrong, and certainly not MSM-guided. Read more of my posts... I definitely took the red pill, but still maintain a modicum of faith in the system. It's not irredeemable, yet.

My opinion was formed by being put into similar situations, multiple times, just not on as big a stage or with as far-reaching consequences.
I think anyone that deals with highly classified info on a regular basis knows exactly what I mean- we've all seen things that are at best, misguided; and on a bad day, unethical and patently illegal.
I chose a different path when presented with those dilemmas- and never failed to find a method of redress that was legal, moral, and didn't compromise the mission or the men on it.
To this day, I still cannot accept there was no path for ES to responsibly disclose the heinous crimes against us citizens without exposing sources and methods to foreign press.

Had ES stopped at exposing the use of MYSTIC on US Citizens, I'm with all of you in declaring him a hero and patriot.
But he continued in exposing our intelligence apparatus to our foreign enemies.
The potential good of the former does not cancel out the devastating consequences of the latter.
(and no, they weren't redacted.. Russia and China dismantled our collection capabilities surgically within days of disclosure. You're not gonna see that on CNN or any of the revisionist pieces written after the fact.)

I'm also of the opinion that those disclosures had little to do with Trump's election. I do cite the apparatus he tried to expose as the primary reason the first term was such an unmitigated shitshow of resistance and blatant obstruction (and that's putting it nicely). Given the opportunity, I'd give every one of the enemies within the Louis XVI treatment personally.

 

[jakelly]

I think you have my intent a bit wrong, and certainly not MSM-guided. Read more of my posts... I definitely took the red pill, but still maintain a modicum of faith in the system. It's not irredeemable, yet.

My opinion was formed by being put into similar situations, multiple times, just not on as big a stage or with as far-reaching consequences.
I think anyone that deals with highly classified info on a regular basis knows exactly what I mean- we've all seen things that are at best, misguided; and on a bad day, unethical and patently illegal.
I chose a different path when presented with those dilemmas- and never failed to find a method of redress that was legal, moral, and didn't compromise the mission or the men on it.
To this day, I still cannot accept there was no path for ES to responsibly disclose the heinous crimes against us citizens without exposing sources and methods to foreign press.

Had ES stopped at exposing the use of MYSTIC on US Citizens, I'm with all of you in declaring him a hero and patriot.
But he continued in exposing our intelligence apparatus to our foreign enemies.
The potential good of the former does not cancel out the devastating consequences of the latter.
(and no, they weren't redacted.. Russia and China dismantled our collection capabilities surgically within days of disclosure. You're not gonna see that on CNN or any of the revisionist pieces written after the fact.)

I'm also of the opinion that those disclosures had little to do with Trump's election. I do cite the apparatus he tried to expose as the primary reason the first term was such an unmitigated shitshow of resistance and blatant obstruction (and that's putting it nicely). Given the opportunity, I'd give every one of the enemies within the Louis XVI treatment personally.

Ok, so you are one of the good guys, what Ted Gunderson called the overt gov. Great. I understand your thoughts regarding the system. The problem is that you guys aren’t in control.

Look at Epstein, Clintons, Bushes, Pizza gate, Weiner, Bidens, Ghislaine, Barry Soetoro, and the dead gay men in the bath houses of Chicago, and tell me the good guys are ultimately calling the shots. No prosecution, no punishment, no teeth in “the system”- let me guess, everyone is just getting their paperwork together and the warrants are coming, . No, you good guys are tolerated going after small time, not connected crooks, because you perform a valuable function - you convince the rest of us the system works- but when Hillary wants to broker our uranium mines to Russia, we find out who calls the shots. For crying out loud a conservative SCOTUS just gave away half of the state of Oklahoma. What version of the red pill allows a guy to continue to have faith in that?

Buy more ammo.