Rifle Scopes TT315M alternative, or the mid-range to rule them all?
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I prefer to call it a murse
Based on this thread and other info, I picked up a Premier LT 3-15x50 with XR reticle. I’m used to the P3 reticle so this one will take a while to get used to.
Now I gotta build a rifle to put it on.
You guys are nothing but enablers...
Now I gotta build a rifle to put it on.
You guys are nothing but enablers...
You make me want to try another S&B Ultra Short 3-20, the one I had was not as good as my Kahles K318i, I might have had a US that struggled a bit or a stellar copy of the K318i I don't know. True the FOV of the Schmidt is better but the resolution of the Kahles was enough to make the difference in its favor, that along with the much shorter body and reticle. Looks like the MSR2 reticles might be coming soon, maybe...
3 pages of scopes and no one mentioned the Henny 4-16? 30 oz, shorter than most scopes mentioned. Only downside is the single turn turret I guess, but I have it on 6 and 6.5s and don't use 14.5 mils too often.
I'm not sure. I guess it's possible. Do note that I looked through all of them sequentially at the same target on multiple occasions. Could be just how my eyes perceives them. Honestly, they are all fantastic, and the differences are small.
The Vortex PST Gen II 3-15x44 is a great value for what I snagged mine at 675.00 new.. But I grabbed this for some rimfire fun so a haven't beat it around through the woods and such but I like it so far. I had the NF 4-16x42 as well and it was a stellar optic, I just wasn't crazy about the way you set the zero stop.
You can choose an h59 or a .2 mil hash reticle. I know everyone has their favorite designer reticles nowadays but those pretty much cover the bases for visible and usable at 4x while still functional and precise at 16x. A lot better than a g2xr which is pretty darn thin...
The Henny is one of the low light kings in this category, probably the closest competitor to the TT 315M but I am not thrilled with the reticles they offer; however, that is me and others may find them to their liking. Schmidt also now makes a FFP 4-16x56 Ultra Bright, but no idea how it compares to the Henny.
Gen2xr or gen2 mil dot
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H59 or the excellent .2 mil hash hensoldt reticle. Or an older 4-16 with the awesome nh-1.
everyone likes their own reticles but there's a clear winner to me here ?
Hahaha I couldn't agree more!
A Kahles K318i 3.5-18x50 mounted in a Scalarworks 34mm LEAP/SCOPE mount
The Henny and Kahles are over 30oz, so out of the running fellahs
How does the 3-12 hensoldt stack up against the TT 315m in terms of low light performance? Have you seen any quality changes through the several ownership changes?
I "hunt" in the southeast, and it gets awful dark under the pines way before legal shooting time is up. The razor 2 has always handled it very well, but the thing is an absolute brick.
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Dang if that's not a nice looking mount and I like the two bolt design, was about to call you about pricing but then saw that they have no canted mount optionsA Kahles K318i 3.5-18x50 mounted in a Scalarworks 34mm LEAP/SCOPE mount
Always frustrates me when companies only seem to focus on BDC scopes and offer some great looking mounts but with no canted options really limit themselves towards the long range crowd. If Hensoldt were to make a 4-20x56, well now we're talking, but it would probably weigh a bit more than 30oz and cost quite a bit more than the current 4-16, but I've always had my eye on the 4-16x56 due to its lower weight and 56mm objective. That being said, I have done numerous low light tests with alpha glass at 50mm and 56mm and find it very hard to discern the difference - I think most alpha glass today is so good that the advantages the 56mm objectives used to have are not as apparent as they once were, yes, the physical difference and ensuing exit pupil cannot be overlooked, but neither can our eyes ability to adjust through the scotopic transition. Keep in mind this is for alpha quality glass which is, in large part, many of the scopes mentioned in this thread (I think anytime a thread is posted asking for alternatives to Tangent Theta you are mostly looking at alpha quality glass, or tier one or whatever you want to call the scopes that generally run above $3k).
Dang if that's not a nice looking mount and I like the two bolt design, was about to call you about pricing but then saw that they have no canted mount options
Phil at Scalarworks makes awesome products, but it's a very small shop so he doesn't make a ton of new products very often.
Maybe you can influence him to consider a 20 MOA version
Let him know there is definitely a market for it... the big problem with large frame AR's is that their top rail is 0 moa, so if you intend to shoot long range you either have to get a canted riser which makes a mount too high, or a canted mount which is just about ideal. Maybe you can influence him to consider a 20 MOA version
I wanted 36mm mounts, maybe in 2020
Not much market for those, only ZCO, a Hensoldt and a couple Zeiss', but a 20 MOA mount would be much more marketableI wanted 36mm mounts, maybe in 2020
Not much market for those, only ZCO, a Hensoldt and a couple Zeiss', but a 20 MOA mount would be much more marketable
Oh I agree, but there are tons of great mounts out there
But very few with QD and a nice hinged design. We digress from the thread topic, sorry about that everyone.Oh I agree, but there are tons of great mounts out there
I can't say how the Henny 3-12 stacks up, but I can tell you that years ago I had a Zeiss Diavari FL 4-16x50 that I thought was the pinnacle of optical excellence and then I bought a Premier LT 3-15x50 (the older sister of the TT315M) and was shocked (shocked I tell you
) with the improvement over the Zeiss. I liked the color of the Premier better, low light performance was a wee bit better with the Premier and resolution was maybe about on par, shooters talk about splitting hairs but those of us who like to split hairs find nuances that we tend to like. I would say this, don't just assume that a 56mm is going to be the low light king over a 50mm scope, I have seen some 56mm scopes perform inferior to some 50mm scopes in low light situations - bigger is not always better. That being said, the Hensoldt scopes have a reputation that few other scopes hold and I would not hesitate to recommend one if it fits what you're looking for, I almost pulled the trigger on a Henny 4-16x56 with NH-1 reticle a few years ago and part of me still wishes I would have.
