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See the contestVudoo and Annie's have what sewn up exactly. What level?Isn’t the V3 a bench rest action?
I think on this board, when you get to that level, vudoo and anschutz have it sewn up.
The bulk of the market on this board.Vudoo and Annie's have what sewn up exactly. What level?
Do you not see my name? I know anything you need to know about a turbo. WhenThe bulk of the market on this board.
When members here on the hide are spending big money for accurate 22’s they typically gravitate towards vudoo, annschutz, some RimX and a few others (ultimatum) but it would be tough to find a lot of info on this site.
The bias is strong cause I've shot them all and know exactly what I'm dealing with. Plus br requirements are pretty high and the vudoo hasn't made it there yet.the confirmation bias is strong with this one
I think there are as many 2500X’s in the winners circle, maybe more.Do you not see my name? I know anything you need to know about a turbo. When
people spend big money on accurate .22s they should look at others than vudoo and rimx. Yes this forum may be dominated by those two but they are far from the most accurate. The most accurate. 22s on the planet as we speak are turbo action guns.
I think there are as many 2500X’s in the winners circle, maybe more.
Club | Bench Rest Rifle Club of St. Louis |
Date | 09/04/2021 |
Match Director | Jerry Kloeppel |
Environment | Outdoor |
Class | Unlimited |
Place | Competitor | | Action | Barrel | Trigger | Stock | Scope | Gunsmith | Ammo |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
1 | James Garrett | SPF-2500X | Shilen | BixNAndy | Lidgard | NF | Bumgarner | Lapua | |
2 | Richard Gorham | SPF-2500X | Shilen | Jewell | TM | NF | Gorham | Lapua | |
3 | Tim Miller | X3L | Other | Other | Other | Other | Self | Other | |
4 | Jason Thornhill | SPF-2500X | Shilen | Jewell | TM | NF | Gorham | ELEY | |
5 | Larry Landercasper | SPF-2500X | Other | Other | Other | Other | Holeshot | Lapua | |
6 | Wade Hull | SPF-2500X | Shilen | other | Other | Leupold | Bukys | ELEY | |
7 | Cliff Arnold | Vudoo | Muller | BixNAndy | McMillan | NF | Penrod | Lapua | |
8 | Jerry Stiller | SPF-2500X | Muller | PQP | PWC | NF | Holeshot | ELEY | |
9 | Maddisyn Reed* | SPF-2500X | Muller | Jewell | McMillan | Leupold | Holeshot | Lapua | |
10 | Bill Barron | SPF-2500X | Muller | BixNAndy | McMillan | NF | Holeshot | Lapua | |
11 | Mike Sherrill | Turbo-Old | Shilen | FF-Flavio | Other | NF | Calfee | Lapua | |
12 | Dustin Allen | SPF-2500X | Shilen | Jewell | TM | NF | Gorham | Lapua | |
13 | Brian Brandt | SPF-TRIDENT | Muller | BixNAndy | TM | NF | Other | Lapua | |
14 | Frank Shook | X-III | Shilen | BixNAndy | Ivanhoe | Sightron | Kerley | Lapua | |
15 | Richard Knott | SPF-2500X | Shilen | Jewell | PWC | NF | Holeshot | Lapua | |
16 | Jerry Hensler | SPF-2500X | Muller | Jewell | PWC | Sightron | Self | ELEY | |
17 | Bob Cleveland | Turbo-New | Shilen | BixNAndy | TM | NF | Gorham | ELEY | |
18 | John Prince | SPF-2500X | Shilen | BixNAndy | PWC | NF | Penrod | Lapua | |
19 | Zackary Slater | SPF-2500X | Muller | FF-Flavio | PWC | NF | Holeshot | Lapua | |
20 | Todd Wooten | SPF-2500X | Shilen | BixNAndy | PWC | NF | Penrod | ELEY |
2021 ARA Unlimited National equipment list, top 20.
Match
Club Bench Rest Rifle Club of St. Louis Date 09/04/2021 Match Director Jerry Kloeppel Environment Outdoor Class Unlimited
Competitors
EquipmentScores
Place Competitor
Action Barrel Trigger Stock Scope Gunsmith Ammo 1 James Garrett SPF-2500X Shilen BixNAndy Lidgard NF Bumgarner Lapua 2 Richard Gorham SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell TM NF Gorham Lapua 3 Tim Miller X3L Other Other Other Other Self Other 4 Jason Thornhill SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell TM NF Gorham ELEY 5 Larry Landercasper SPF-2500X Other Other Other Other Holeshot Lapua 6 Wade Hull SPF-2500X Shilen other Other Leupold Bukys ELEY 7 Cliff Arnold Vudoo Muller BixNAndy McMillan NF Penrod Lapua 8 Jerry Stiller SPF-2500X Muller PQP PWC NF Holeshot ELEY 9 Maddisyn Reed* SPF-2500X Muller Jewell McMillan Leupold Holeshot Lapua 10 Bill Barron SPF-2500X Muller BixNAndy McMillan NF Holeshot Lapua 11 Mike Sherrill Turbo-Old Shilen FF-Flavio Other NF Calfee Lapua 12 Dustin Allen SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell TM NF Gorham Lapua 13 Brian Brandt SPF-TRIDENT Muller BixNAndy TM NF Other Lapua 14 Frank Shook X-III Shilen BixNAndy Ivanhoe Sightron Kerley Lapua 15 Richard Knott SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell PWC NF Holeshot Lapua 16 Jerry Hensler SPF-2500X Muller Jewell PWC Sightron Self ELEY 17 Bob Cleveland Turbo-New Shilen BixNAndy TM NF Gorham ELEY 18 John Prince SPF-2500X Shilen BixNAndy PWC NF Penrod Lapua 19 Zackary Slater SPF-2500X Muller FF-Flavio PWC NF Holeshot Lapua 20 Todd Wooten SPF-2500X Shilen BixNAndy PWC NF Penrod ELEY
I have nothing else to say.
Actually I didn’t look at your user name at all. Even if I would have, I doubt I would have cared to draw the correlation.Do you not see my name? I know anything you need to know about a turbo. When
people spend big money on accurate .22s they should look at others than vudoo and rimx. Yes this forum may be dominated by those two but they are far from the most accurate. The most accurate. 22s on the planet as we speak are turbo action guns.
end thread/You can say whatever you want to. I've shot Jerry's actions before and there are some very good ones out there just like there are some really bad turbos also. What no one talks about is the scores Phil doorman shot a couple of years ago at the barn. The man shot 5 2500s and one 2450 in a 6 card match using a time precision action. That record will stand for a very long time. That gun was built almost 20 yrs ago. This game is all about who has the best barrel and ammo
Actually I didn’t look at your user name at all. Even if I would have, I doubt I would have cared to draw the correlation.
Feel free to enlighten me about your action. There isn’t a whole lot of info on this board about it. Which is what the OP was asking.
About my action? It's not my action I just shoot them. What is it you would like to know about them? as I can do my best to try and answer any questions
end thread/
Why?end thread/
the wholethread is about the TurboV3 being more accurate and winning morethan a 2500X or RimX or Vudoo and you then acknowledge what we all know. it's the barrel and ammo that really matterWhy?
See that's where you are 100% wrong. All these actions have something different they aren't clones of each other. The reason i say ammo and barrel cause I'm not going to get ina debate over ignition and that's where the difference lies. Rimx and vudoo were not designed for br, yes vudoo has a br model is it better than a turbo or 2500x? NO its not. I'm not here to beat down products but if someone ask me about a action I have knowledge about I will share it.the wholethread is about the TurboV3 being more accurate and winning morethan a 2500X or RimX or Vudoo and you then acknowledge what we all know. it's the barrel and ammo that really matter
what one actions provides over another (push feed, CRF, right bolt left port, inlet) is merely how we interact with it
i quoted you rememberSee that's where you are 100% wrong. All these actions have something different they aren't clones of each other. The reason i say ammo and barrel cause I'm not going to get ina debate over ignition and that's where the difference lies. Rimx and vudoo were not designed for br, yes vudoo has a br model is it better than a turbo or 2500x? NO its not. I'm not here to beat down products but if someone ask me about a action I have knowledge about I will share it.
What are you talking about?i quoted you remember
but since we started it. who don't people use a vudoo BR or not, or rimx for BR besides user age/knowledge/who switch now after 20 years of using the same action
The Turbo action with its PAS ignition is a proven design that has been winning in remfire benchrest since it was created years ago by the late Flash Ebert. The Diorio V3 is the same action with a few mods. such as 6 oclock ignition and crescent firing pin. I have a complete gun built by Anthony Diorio. v3 action, Turbo aluminum stock , Diorio tuner Bix and Andy trigger. Shilen ratchet. You won't be disappointed with his work. And yes the gun shoots like any other custom benchrest when you find the ammo it likes. As for Vudoo, they are also fine actions. I own one also but they have not proven themselves yet in remfire benchrest.Has anyone lately bought a new Turbo V3? If so, how does it shoot? Is it smooth to operate? Did you buy a completed rifle?
Is your Vudoo a single shot 6 o'clock ignition version? I have a Vudoo Three 60, I'm impressed with it, but I don't know if I'd put it up against a purpose built bench rest rifle.As for Vudoo, they are also fine actions. I own one also but they have not proven themselves yet in remfire benchrest.
My Vudoo is a 360 repeater. It won't stay with my Turbo but then it's not supposed too!Is your Vudoo a single shot 6 o'clock ignition version? I have a Vudoo Three 60, I'm impressed with it, but I don't know if I'd put it up against a purpose built bench rest rifle.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but the original Turbo was a 2 lug 90 degree bolt. 12 oclock ignition with a chisel tip firing pin. the new Viii Turbo is a 3 lug 60 degree bolt, 6 oclock ignition with a crescent firing pin. Somewhere along the line the origional Turbos could be changed to 6 oclock ignition also but there was never a 3 lug.Aren't there 2 Turbos if my understanding is correc? The old original Turbo, and the current production. The new ones seem to be refined some what from the early models as I never got mine dialed in. (#17 serial number). I always was amazed by a buddy of mine who shot an old single-extractor Annie with an epoxied barrel slip-fit in his action and won more matches than alot of guys ever attended combined.
I'm not going to speak for @ b6graham, but he quoted and bolded your statement saying
"This game is all about who has the best barrel and ammo"
But you also stated in post #22 "I'm not going to get ina debate over ignition and that's where the difference lies"
while telling him he's 100% wrong.
You clearly don't want to debate it, but I'm also curious if you feel the Pin-around-spring Ignition system produces more accurate results than Spring-around-pin?
The Turboaction website doesn't appear to have much information at all about its ignition benefits or functionality.The Turbo action with its PAS ignition is a proven design that has been winning in remfire benchrest since it was created years ago by the late Flash Ebert. The Diorio V3 is the same action with a few mods. such as 6 oclock ignition and crescent firing pin. I have a complete gun built by Anthony Diorio. v3 action, Turbo aluminum stock , Diorio tuner Bix and Andy trigger. Shilen ratchet. You won't be disappointed with his work. And yes the gun shoots like any other custom benchrest when you find the ammo it likes. As for Vudoo, they are also fine actions. I own one also but they have not proven themselves yet in remfire benchrest.
I got a gun built by him and I would never recommend him to build a br rig. He can build good actions but he can't build a good gun for crap. I had to send my gun to John langley to have him fix Anthony's mess. The gun has been absolutely amazing since getting it from John.
I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but the original Turbo was a 2 lug 90 degree bolt. 12 oclock ignition with a chisel tip firing pin. the new Viii Turbo is a 3 lug 60 degree bolt, 6 oclock ignition with a crescent firing pin. Somewhere along the line the origional Turbos could be changed to 6 oclock ignition also but there was never a 3 lug.
Bonjour,Quelqu'un a-t-il récemment acheté un nouveau Turbo V3 ? Si oui, comment tire-t-il ? Est-il facile à utiliser ? Avez-vous acheté un fusil terminé?
Anyone notice Jerry Stiller is shooting one instead of his own actions? Lol2021 ARA Unlimited National equipment list, top 20.
Match
Club Bench Rest Rifle Club of St. Louis Date 09/04/2021 Match Director Jerry Kloeppel Environment Outdoor Class Unlimited
Competitors
EquipmentScores
Place Competitor Action Barrel Trigger Stock Scope Gunsmith Ammo 1 James Garrett SPF-2500X Shilen BixNAndy Lidgard NF Bumgarner Lapua 2 Richard Gorham SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell TM NF Gorham Lapua 3 Tim Miller X3L Other Other Other Other Self Other 4 Jason Thornhill SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell TM NF Gorham ELEY 5 Larry Landercasper SPF-2500X Other Other Other Other Holeshot Lapua 6 Wade Hull SPF-2500X Shilen other Other Leupold Bukys ELEY 7 Cliff Arnold Vudoo Muller BixNAndy McMillan NF Penrod Lapua 8 Jerry Stiller SPF-2500X Muller PQP PWC NF Holeshot ELEY 9 Maddisyn Reed* SPF-2500X Muller Jewell McMillan Leupold Holeshot Lapua 10 Bill Barron SPF-2500X Muller BixNAndy McMillan NF Holeshot Lapua 11 Mike Sherrill Turbo-Old Shilen FF-Flavio Other NF Calfee Lapua 12 Dustin Allen SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell TM NF Gorham Lapua 13 Brian Brandt SPF-TRIDENT Muller BixNAndy TM NF Other Lapua 14 Frank Shook X-III Shilen BixNAndy Ivanhoe Sightron Kerley Lapua 15 Richard Knott SPF-2500X Shilen Jewell PWC NF Holeshot Lapua 16 Jerry Hensler SPF-2500X Muller Jewell PWC Sightron Self ELEY 17 Bob Cleveland Turbo-New Shilen BixNAndy TM NF Gorham ELEY 18 John Prince SPF-2500X Shilen BixNAndy PWC NF Penrod Lapua 19 Zackary Slater SPF-2500X Muller FF-Flavio PWC NF Holeshot Lapua 20 Todd Wooten SPF-2500X Shilen BixNAndy PWC NF Penrod ELEY
Never mind, been out of ARA too long. Last action of his I had was a Lonestar..not current with new actionsJerry will never ever use a turbo. The equipment list shows a 2500x and that's what he shoots. He is coming out with a pas (pin around spring) design but it's not ready yet.
It’s ready now.Jerry will never ever use a turbo. The equipment list shows a 2500x and that's what he shoots. He is coming out with a pas (pin around spring) design but it's not ready yet.